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Best regards! Leyo 12:43, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Danke, Leyo! Yellowcard (talk) 12:45, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Activity with (sur)namesEdit

How do you plan to deal with Russian sitelinks? I insist that they must have be marked with instance of (P31) "(sur)name". For example, ru:Стасов is about family name, so it should be in Stassov (Q21452578)? --Infovarius (talk) 14:10, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I propose you to stop your activity because you are removing right statements from Russian pages. --Infovarius (talk) 14:17, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Please STOP AND DISCUSS. --Infovarius (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Last warning, Yellowcard. Stop and discuss, or I'll have to block you. --AmaryllisGardener talk 15:58, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

From "Administration noticeboard":

Hi Infovarius and AmaryllisGardener, sorry for any inconvenience or obscurities. Of course I'm willing to discuss, but I don't think this is the right place. Where to move? However, I did not create empty items, I rather cleaned up some bot-created mass that confused disambiguation pages and surname items. Those two are completely different things that do not belong into one item. I did not want to upset you by doing this. Regards, Yellowcard (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I understand that you are trying to separate disambigs and surnames. The problem is that this is impossible in some cases. As I've said: what can you tell about Russian pages which are about surnames but have some kind of disambig template? --Infovarius (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
I can't tell anything about the Wikipedia article in Russian as I don't speak that language (you'll have figured that). However, this is Wikidata. Therefore we have to make sure that:
  1. The interwiki links work and
  2. we differ the items properly.
Saying that, there cannot be one item with these two contradicting claims ("is a disambiguation page" and "is a surname"), but we need two: For example because in the long distance view all people's items should have a surname claim with the regarding surname containing.
The problem that occurs by this cannot be resolved by Wikidata: Someone in the Russian Wikipedia has to decide whether the article is more about the surname or is more a disambiguation page. Depending on that decision, the article would loose its interwiki links. But I cannot make this decision, which is why I have left the sitelinks in the status quo.
Do you have a certain example you refer to? Regards, Yellowcard (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Infovarius, I started a discussion in the WikiProject Names: here. I think that might be the better place. Regards, Yellowcard (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

EnglishEdit

Hey Yellowcard. Just a quick question: what were you trying to do with Q21482537? As it stands, it seems it can just be merged into English (Q15924427), right? If there's anything I can do to help, just let me know. Schönen Sonntag noch. Jared Preston (talk) 12:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jared! No, those cannot be merged, I just made two out of English (Q15924427). The point is that English (Q15924427) is about a disambiguation page in Wikimedia (so especially in different Wikipedia versions) while Q21482537 is an item about the surname. That's two different things; the latter is not related to any Wikimedia projects and only refers to the surname while the first one only relates to Wikimedia projects. To express this difference I also added different from (P1889). For more information see this discussion in the WikiProject Names. Cheers and same to you, Yellowcard (talk) 12:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Aber es gab schon English (Q182), daher meine Frage. Was sollte der Unterschied zwischen Q21482537 and English (Q182) sein? Jared Preston (talk) 13:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Oh, das stimmt. Die beiden können wohl gemergt werden, das werde ich gleich nachholen. English (Q182) hatte ich nicht bermerkt. Danke für den Hinweis! Yellowcard (talk) 13:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Bitte. Noch eine Frage: Wie kriegst du es so hin, mit scheinbar nur einem Klick die Beschreibungen einzufügen aber gleichzeitig die schon vorhandenen Beschreibungen zu überschreiben? Wie bspw. hier. Das ist echt praktisch! Jared Preston (talk) 13:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Ja, und leider fehlt mir eine solche Funktion noch als Script oder per direkter Eingabe. Daher nutze ich die Wikidata-API dafür. Ist aber leider auch nicht ganz komfortabel. Viele Grüße, Yellowcard (talk) 15:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Ich kenne mich mit sowas (leider) gar nicht aus. Zu technisch. Jared Preston (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Hi Jared, ich bin auf den dataDrainer aufmerksam gemacht worden. Mit ihm ist es möglich, Labels und Beschreibungen zu löschen. Du kannst ihn aktivieren, indem Du die Zeile
importScript( 'MediaWiki:Gadget-dataDrainer.js' );
in Dein persönliches JavaScript einfügst. Viele Grüße, Yellowcard (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey! Schönen guten Abend! Das war nicht ganz wonach ich gesucht habe, aber auch nicht schlecht! Du hattest Probleme damit? Die App war im Aufklappmenü unter "Empty" zu finden. Es stand da allerdings, dass man einen Captcha eingeben müsste, bevor die Löschung vorgenommen wird – dies war aber nicht der Fall. Ich hatte es bei Wikidata Sandbox (Q4115189) ausprobiert, siehst du in der Versionsgeschichte. Jared Preston (talk) 18:50, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jared, das Problem bei mir ist, dass ich die Funktion gar nicht nutzen kann. Anscheinend habe ich nicht die ausreichenden Rechte dazu. Eigenartig ... Dir auch einen schönen Abend! Grüße, Yellowcard (talk) 20:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Surname/DisambiguationEdit

Hello! I totally agree we should separate the two and I do it myself when I find an item like that but could you please verify if the item is used before creating a new one? I mean, when an item is used as a surname in an hundred or so pages, it's more easy to create a disambiguation page and let the family page name be… Disambiguation pages are rarely used, so I think you'll end up creating more disambig pages than family names ones. Right now you are creating violations constraints errors with Q5 items using a disambig page as a family name, which will need to be corrected, and could have been simply by deleting the P31:disambig.

So I totally agree with your work but would prefer another method ;) --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:41, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

And PLEASE clean up behind you. You let wrong descriptions and sitelinks. Right now it's a mess. Do it item by item? --Harmonia Amanda (talk) 06:45, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
@Harmonia Amanda: you might want to join the discussion about that at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Names#Discussion. --- Jura 10:47, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

KyrillischEdit

Hallo Yellowcard,

den nameGuzzler bei Objekten mit kyrillischem Namen zu benutzen führt meist zu Ergebnissen, die den Namenskoventionen Kyrillisch widersprechen. Könntest du bei so etwas bitte immer Wikyrilliza benutzen?--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Kopiersperre, danke für den Hinweis. Hast Du ein konkretes Beispiel? Und einfache Frage: Woran erkenne ich denn überhaupt einen kyrillischen Namen? Grüße, Yellowcard (talk) 14:54, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
Wenn du Russisch zu deinen vier angezeigten Sprachen hinzugefügt hast, wirst damit mehr als 95 % aller kyrillischen Namen sehen. Ansonsten an der Endung -ow bzw. -ov in englischer Transliteration.--Kopiersperre (talk) 14:58, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

AlbertEdit

Why Q10729205 is different than Q21482955? Both are surnames. --Davidpar (talk) 11:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, since this edit. Before, Albert (Q10729205) was an item related to a disambiguation page. I will merge those two. Yellowcard (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! --Davidpar (talk) 22:42, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

DragRefEdit

Funktioniert bei mir auch nicht mehr, genau wie bei dir. @Magnus Manske: Hast du irgendwas geändert? Queryzo (talk) 09:22, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

@Queryzo: Am 12. März gab es eine kleine Änderung. Weißt Du zufällig, ob es bei Dir nach dem 12.03. noch funktioniert hat? Wenn nicht, werde ich mal versuchen, die vorherige Version in meinen BNR zu kopieren und es dann erneut zu probieren. Gruß Yellowcard (talk) 10:37, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Meine letzten DragRef-Bearbeitungen waren Ende Januar, siehe [1], wahrscheinlicher ist also, dass die Änderungen davor verantwortlich sind. Queryzo (talk) 10:49, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Description change on 8/10 (Q16276821)Edit

Hi,

Could you check as I'm unsure this item (and particularly this diff Special:Diff/272774363) is correct.

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:25, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi VIGNERON, you're right, those edits weren't correct. I just fixed that. Thanks for your message. Yellowcard (talk) 11:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. Right now, I'm working a little bit on family name. Meanwhile, I noticed some item with strange label like Canale (Q5031074) could you correct it too? (apparently, there is a lot of them, see this request : https://query.wikidata.org/#SELECT%20%3Fitem%20%3FitemLabel%20WHERE%20%7B%0A%09%3Fitem%20wdt%3AP31%20wd%3AQ101352%20.%0A%09%3Fitem%20rdfs%3Alabel%20%3FitemLabel%0A%09FILTER%20%28lang%28%3FitemLabel%29%20%3D%20%22fr%22%20%26%26%20STRENDS%28%3FitemLabel%2C%20%22%28surname%29%22%29%29%0A%7D and there is probably some more). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 11:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Item to be deleteEdit

In RFD there are a lot of item proposed for the deletion created by you. If you do not agree you can participate in the debate --ValterVB (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

DorfwaageEdit

Hallo Yellowcard, du hast kürzlich meine Verschiebung von „Dorfwaage“ rückgängig gemacht, siehe hier. Ich hatte „Dorfwaage“ aber ganz bewusst verschoben, weil das deutsche Lemma nicht bedeutungsgleich mit den anderssprachigen Lemmata ist. In en, es, nl, da und anderen Sprachen geht es um das, was im Deutschen gemeinhin als „Brückenwaage“ bezeichnet wird. Auf Brückenwaagen werden Fahrzeuge gewogen, z. B. Lkws (vgl. engl. truck scale) oder Eisenbahnwaggons, unabhängig von Ladungsart oder Verwendungszweck der Fahrzeuge. Dorfwaagen sind oft kleiner und dienen rein landwirtschaftlichen Zwecken, z. B. als Viehwaage oder zum Wägen der Ernte. Einen separaten Artikel zu Brückenwaagen gibt es in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia nicht; ein Abschnitt dazu findet sich aber im Übersichtsartikel zu Waagen. Meines Erachtens sollten diese Lemmata nicht miteinander vermischt werden.--Colomen (talk) 14:30, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Hallo Colomen, das klingt soweit sinnvoll. Ich war irritiert, weil im deutschen Artikel de:Dorfwaage auch eine Abbildung einer LKW-Brückenwaage zu finden ist. Ich werde meinen Revert dann aber rückgängig machen. Danke für den Hinweis! Viele Grüße, Yellowcard (talk) 14:33, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

VerzweiflungEdit

Das sind die Aktionen, die mich immer wieder zur Verzweiflung bringen. Völlig unnötige Mehrarbeit für Andere, wenn eine Sekunde mitgedacht worden wäre. Marcus Cyron (talk) 23:29, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Wie Du Dir sicher denken kannst, lieber Marcus, ist das Befüllen von Labels zu Namen keine Aufgabe, die ein Mensch mit allzu großem Nachdenken im Einzelfall erledigen sollte – sondern (halb-)automatisch durchgeführt werden können. In dieser Bearbeitung von 2015 (!) hat es offenbar einen Fehler gegeben. Es tut mir Leid, wenn Dich soetwas zur "Verzweiflung" bringt - ich habe den Fehler korrigiert, was mich übrigens weniger Zeit gekostet haben dürfte, als diese Antwort zu verfassen. Beste Grüße und trotz der Widrigkeiten einen schönen letzten Ostertag... Yellowcard (talk) 10:28, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

New page for cataloguesEdit

Hi, I created a new page for collecting sites that could be added to Mix'n'match and I plan to expand it with the ones that already have scrapers by category. Feel free to expand, use for property creation. Best, --Adam Harangozó (talk) 12:04, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

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