Wikidata:Property proposal/ACM Digital Library citation ID

ACM Digital Library citation ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: ACM Digital Library citation ID (P3332) (Talk and documentation)

Description	unique identifier for a bibliographic record in the Association for Computing Machinery (ACM) Digital Library
Data type	External identifier
Domain	proceedings (Q1143604)
Example	Proceedings of the 25th International Conference on World Wide Web (Q27187137) → 2872427
Source	http://dl.acm.org/
Formatter URL	http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=$1
Robot and gadget jobs	None at present, could be semi-automated
See also	ACM Digital Library author ID (P864)

Motivation

Association for Computing Machinery (Q127992) is the primary publisher of international conference proceedings in the field computer science. This property will allow to uniquely identify a publication venue as an issue of conference proceedings. Conference proceedings – the main publication venue for computer scientists, who typically don't publish journal articles – is a type of bibliographic entity with an incomplete data model. A conference proceedings volume may have a dedicated ISBN and other bibliographic identifiers. --DarTar (talk) 06:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC) The Source MetaData WikiProject does not exist. Please correct the name.[reply]

per discussion, I updated the proposed property name and changed its scope, since the ID can refer to any bibliographic record in the DL, not just conference proceedings.
Discussion

Support but the proposal should extended by property constraints and identifier format as a regular expression. By the way we could also use a similar property for dblp computer science bibliography (Q1224715) -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:00, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment We have DBLP author ID (P2456) but I converted it from essentially a site relative URL to an author specific pID. This proposed property seems to be similar to the DBLP publication key/ID (and covers both conference and journal publications, etc.) which we do not, that I know of, currently have a property for. Uzume (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any API where these IDs can be used? As far as I know, the ACM keeps its data closed and forbids crawlers on its site. − Pintoch (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 12:15, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question What is the ID? The "id=$1" at the end of urls at this website? Is this a thing on wikidata, to get IDs in that way and use them to manage links to websites? This could be done repeatedly for many websites. Is there a name for the practice of associating ID numbers from URLs then using those numbers to identify the content at that location? I might be confused about what is proposed here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:40, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Lane, that ID is the part of the ID that changes and indicates the unique page / identifier. It is typical with these types of identifiers. -- Erika BrillLyle (talk) 14:47, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very useful identifier. As to it pointing to a closed data system, many of the identifiers used in Authority control that are industry standard are not open systems. The identifier is still mission critical. Fully support. -- BrillLyle (talk) 14:45, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fnielsen (talk • contribs) at 09:35, 26 October 2016‎ (UTC).[reply]
Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Question There is a problem. I believe it is just a minor labeling issue. What is actually resolved on the ACM page? I see a Doctoral Dissertation and ordinary conference articles. I do not think that this should be called "ACM Digital Library conference proceedings ID". It is more broader: "ACM Digital Library document ID". Or am I missing something (@DarTar:)? The domain, description and label should be changed, as far as I can see. — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 19:15, 28 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support It seems like a stable and useful identifier (similar to the DBLP publication key/ID). That said, it seems to be applicable to more than conference proceedings (as per findings by Fnielsen (talk • contribs • logs) and also I notice things like this book.) so I recommend a different/better name—perhaps "ACM DL citation ID" (as per the URL). Uzume (talk) 18:28, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support (This was stated by Andrawaag)
@Fnielsen, Uzume: property name and scope updated per your suggestion, thanks.--DarTar (talk) 16:08, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @DarTar, Uzume: I am wondering if the word "citation" could be a cause for confusion? I know it is used in the URL, but it is not really a citation. Wouldn't "document" be a better word? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:36, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - But I can live with "citation" :) — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 17:43, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Fnielsen: if you find a reference at ACM that better defines the ID, we should consider the name change, but I second Uzume that – lacking this – we should go for what the URL scheme itself advertises. I agree with you that it is confusing and a very poor choice for a parameter/ID name by ACM.--DarTar (talk) 05:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:14, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]