Wikidata:Property proposal/Benezit

Benezit edit

Done: Benezit ID (P2843) (Talk and documentation)

Description	french dictionary of artists
Represents	Benezit Dictionary of Artists (Q2929945)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human
Allowed values	string pattern
Example	Martinus Lengele (Q16915458) → B00107631
Source	http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.article.B00107631
Formatter URL	http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.1093/benz/9780199773787.article.$1
Robot and gadget jobs	https://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=catalog_details&catalog=143

Motivation

There are already over 8,000 matches with this identifier to artist biographies on enwiki and over 6,000 to artist biographies on frwiki. It would be nice to have this property and also include it in the enwiki authority control template. Jane023 (talk) 08:25, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support. --Edgars2007 (talk) 15:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's already in Mix'n'Match so we can quickly fill this property. Spinster (💬) 06:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support, even though full access requires subscription. Thas said, Benezit has had several editions in several languages. I am not totally sure wether the id links to a) the text of the 2006, English-language edition only - or b) a semi-independent resource that can be updated at any time, even without a new printed edition. I looks like it is a). If so the name should be something like "Benezit 2006 online id", for precision's sake. --Zolo (talk) 08:42, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it is the other way around; if someone quotes Benezit 1911 for whatever reason (maybe because it got deleted from the modern version), then that one should be Benezit 1911. Saying 2006 just sounds dated. Jane023 (talk) 10:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  - And in a way it is dated. Unlike ULAN and RKD, Bénézit, does not try to keep the data up to date, they just keep the text of the 2006 version until they get a new, wholly updated version. I think it makes sense to tell readers that we link to one version of a static resource rather than to a continuously updated online database. Anyhow, it is just a label, that does not make much difference. --Zolo (talk) 11:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well I suppose it would be nice to have the pubic domain 1911 version even if it's only available in French. Do you know if there is a copy online anywhere? Not sure if this is the place to post that link though. Jane023 (talk) 12:01, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      - I can't find any online copy of the 1911 version. If there is one, it is probably just a raw copy of the text, and as such would not identify artists through individual ids, and so would not really be fit for an authorit control property. --Zolo (talk) 09:20, 13 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks for looking! It would be nice to link to such a text-based resource from the item. Theoretically it could be done, as the document is in the Public Domain. Sometimes, as I am sure you have noticed, the artist entries in Bénézit reference other artists as teachers or pupils, so being able to run a full text search would be great. Jane023 (talk) 11:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:00, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The Oxford Art Online Website adverises: Nearly 170,000 entries on artists from the first English edition (2006), plus revisions and new biographies exclusively available nline. So labelling the property as Benezit Dictionary of Artists in all languages should make halfway clear what it is about... -- Gymel (talk) 06:19, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Jane023, Edgars2007, Spinster, Zolo, Pigsonthewing, Gymel: Done --Lymantria (talk) 06:57, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]