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Wikidata:Property proposal/Cartridge dimensions

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Cartridge dimensionsEdit

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Descriptionthe diameter of the bullet used in the cartridge
Representsbullet (Q174583)
Data typeQuantity
Template parameterbullet at en:Template:Infobox firearm cartridge
DomainQ37144
Allowed valuesnumbers between 2.70 mm (0.106 in) and 20 mm (0.788 in) if we want to exclude cannon cartridges which have 20+ mm diameters
Allowed unitsmillimetre (Q174789), inch (Q218593)
Example11x58mmR (Q17560835)
  • in milimeters: 11.2
  • in inches: 0.44
Proposed byM11rtinb (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
Motivation

Same data has to be entered separately for each language. This would provide a good central source for all wikis. --M11rtinb (talk) 20:11, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

@M11rtinb: Please provide a more complete example, like those in other property proposals. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:57, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

What I meant before is that this (bullet diameter) is only one of the properties that could be used to present cartridge dimensions, the others being neck, shoulder, base and rim diameters but also case length and overall length of the cartridge. A simple example of this would be to look at these two infoboxes: en:11×58mmR and sl:11×58 R Werndl. Both contain exact same values which currently have to be entered seperately. --M11rtinb (talk) 08:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Better? --M11rtinb (talk) 08:33, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

I am not sure whether this also represents diameter (P2386). --M11rtinb (talk) 08:53, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Discussion
I didn't know this could be done, but I like it. Problem solved. --M11rtinb (talk) 06:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Do you have any ideas on how to describe cartridge case rims? This are the common rim types that would be used. --M11rtinb (talk) 06:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't this be "caliber"? That would be a very useful (even essential) property, not only for ammo, but also for guns. - Brya (talk) 15:52, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
Caliber already exists as Q170417. Caliber is often thought of as a cartridge designation or nominal bore dimension. The gun bore size is usually just a bit narrower than the bullet itself, this is how it can engage the rifling and thus rotate, so calibers don't always represent actual bullet diameters. This is why I think that caliber should be kept as a gun property. --M11rtinb (talk) 16:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
But caliber does not exist as a property for guns, and it should. Ammunition is usually designated by caliber as well. If by cartridge dimension you mean something different (actually, it sounds like the dimension of the cartridge, which is considerably bigger than the caliber) can this be expressed in relationship to the caliber? - Brya (talk) 16:39, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I agree that it should be a property for weapons (I didn't check correctly before). But the cartridge designation (11x58mmR Werndl) should be independent from bullet diameter (11.2 mm). There are some cases where the designation is the same as the bullet diameter, like .308 Winchester with a bullet diameter of .308 inches, but this is not always the case and should not be considered a rule. --M11rtinb (talk) 17:07, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
I don't consider this an issue anymore as Andy Mabbett showed me how to add dimensions without additional properties. I was able to add all dimensions as can be seen here. --M11rtinb (talk) 17:12, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
OK. - Brya (talk) 04:36, 8 May 2017 (UTC)