Wikidata:Property proposal/Collecting area
collecting area edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Natural science
| Description | The collecting area of a telescope (or any other instrument that has an area that is used to gather something) |
|---|---|
| Data type | Quantity |
| Template parameter | Area in en:Template:Infobox telescope |
| Domain | Telescopes, but also any other instrument with a collecting area |
| Allowed units | The same as area (P2046) |
| Example | Hale Telescope (Q2471197) → 31,000 square inch |
- Motivation
So far the area (P2046) parameter has been used to represent the collecting area of a telescope on enwp through en:Template:Infobox telescope. However, @Alphos has pointed out that this is not what that property is intended for - it should be used to describe the area of the telescope overall, not just the collecting area. Hence this proposal for a new property that is more specific. The existing data for areas of telescopes needs to be migrated to this new property if it is created. (Note that there is also the complication of antenna effective area (Q571946), which depends both on frequency and surface accuracy, but that's probably a problem for the future.) Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:53, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Obviously full support. We can't have an area of a piece (however major) of item share a property with the area of the item itself. Alphos (talk) 23:03, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why not? We do that frequently for other properties, for example demographic subdivisions. However, if your meaning is that "collecting area" is an area in a different sense or meaning from "geographic area" then perhaps a new property is warranted. ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:48, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
- can't we attach the qualifier applies to part (P518) for this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- @ArthurPSmith: See the discussion at User_talk:Mike_Peel#Q2471197. Using a qualifier didn't seem sufficient. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:05, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Support. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2017 (UTC)- @Mike Peel: Have you checked how the same property gets modelled in other ontologies? Is there relevant prior art? ChristianKl (talk) 10:20, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: As far as I'm aware there is *no* prior art here - there are no other databases of telescopes that we can compare to here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:07, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
Oppose use area (P2046) with qualifier applies to part (P518). Qualifiers were exactly introduced for such cases. --Pasleim (talk) 07:21, 2 June 2017 (UTC)- Support ChristianKl (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose, use area (P2046) with qualifier applies to part (P518). − Pintoch (talk) 13:02, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Not done Per comments. Micru (talk) 21:53, 20 March 2018 (UTC)