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Creative workEdit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books

enemy ofEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionan opponent character or group of this character or group
Representsarchenemy (Q145391)
Data typeItem
Domainfictional character (Q95074), group of fictional characters (Q14514600)
Example 1Hector (Q159666) → [enemy of] → Achilles (Q41746)
Example 2The Doctor (Q34358) → [enemy of] → The Master (Q2357164)
Example 3Klingon (Q54259) → [enemy of] → Tribble (Q3538741)
Example 4Sherlock Holmes (Q4653) → [enemy of] → Professor Moriarty (Q283111)
Example 5Aladdin (Q1358109) → [enemy of] → Jafar (Q2331578)
Expected completenessnever complete
Robot and gadget jobsreverse statement should be added automatically
See alsosidekick of (P2546)

MotivationEdit

Valentina.Anitnelav Thierry Caro Shisma (talk)   Notified participants of WikiProject Narration

Many characters have a long standing enemy and it would be a neat thing to have in a sidebar of a character. --Shisma (talk) 07:38, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:40, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Supporteru [Talk] [french wiki] 06:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Logically.--Arbnos (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Wait Needs a description. Why is there a preference of "enemy of" over "archenemy of"? It seems to me like the second might lead to a more focused list. ChristianKl❫ 10:18, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2019 (EST)

quotation or excerptEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionquotation or excerpt from this work
Data typeMonolingual text
Domaincreative work (Q17537576)
Example 1I've Been to the Mountaintop (Q5967210) → [the four quotes used in the English Wikipedia article, split roughly every 400 characters]
Example 2[virtually any page in q:Category:Productions]
Example 3MISSING

MotivationEdit

We have first line (P1922) and last line (P3132), but it's not possible to add quotes for anything else (in particular things that are only one line long). Qualifiers like page(s) (P304) and time index (P4895) would probably be used for indicating the point within the work that the quotation begins. In addition to use for statements, this would be useful as a qualifier for statements relating between works, like work sampled (P5707). Jc86035 (talk) 17:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:41, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Comment It seems to me like this might be better handled by using/creating a Wikiquote entry for the quote you want, then linking to that item. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:22, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
    @ArthurPSmith: Quotes on Wikiquote don't get their own pages, as far as I'm aware – they're usually associated with the person or work that originated them. Jc86035 (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Have you thought about the copyright implications? How do you plan to prevent such problems from arising? ChristianKl❫ 14:41, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
    @ChristianKl: The 400-character limit for strings should suffice for now; perhaps a complex constraint would be required for items with more than about 4 statements for this property, and statements with more than one qualifier for this property. If it's fine for Wikisource to host massive amounts of copyrighted quotes from TV shows and the like, the implication is that there's nothing wrong with the same thing being done here (and CC-0 probably wouldn't make a difference to that here). Jc86035 (talk) 15:29, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
    It is fine for Wikiquote only because that project allows non-free content that is used under fair use (see here, though that is not official policy). I do not believe Wikidata is ready to do so itself. Having said that, I am still supporting this proposal below, as I don't believe the fact that someone could use a given field to add copyrighted information is a reason not to have the property at all. There are plenty of valid use cases for public domain works, so I think the solution should be policing Wikidata's content for policy violations, not preventing this property. Also, I would note the existence of quote (P1683), which already allows quotations on Wikidata (but that property is specifically for use in references). Dominic (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support, though I think this raises other issues. How should we distinguish between a true excerpt and when a full work is short enough to be included in its entirety (e.g. a short poem, short speech, etc.). These are conceptually different, and we would not want to misrepresent a full work as incomplete. For example, I just checked and the entire Gettysburg Address can fit in a single statement (the character limit is now 1500, not 400). And I would note that we already have an inscription (P1684) property, which is essentially a full-text quotation of a very specific type of work. I also think enabling quotations from works implies we should have an equivalent, but separate, property for adding quotations of people or things, since the data is usually given in that context as well. I think there should be three separate properties in total: "excerpt (of work)," "quotation (of person)," "full text/transcript". Dominic (talk) 16:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Including a short poem in its entirety will violate copyright. You can't simply copy a poem just because it's short without violating existing copyright. ChristianKl❫ 17:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
    @ChristianKl: We already have P5482 (P5482), which could easily be used to violate copyright laws. That it would be possible doesn't mean the solution is to not have the property. Jc86035 (talk) 19:44, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
    Christian, that is not how copyright works. Some poems are copyrighted and some are out of copyright, such as being public domain due to age. Dominic (talk) 15:19, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose. This should wait for structured Wikiquote. --Yair rand (talk) 19:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
    @Yair rand: Why? Lexemes didn't wait for structured Wiktionary. A structured Wikiquote would, in any case, probably require much more software development for Wikiquote than for Wikidata, seeing as all that's required on the Wikidata end is one property and imports, and we could make the property now; whereas structured Wikiquote would require a lot of interface changes to avoid massively disrupting Wikiquote contributors' workflows. Jc86035 (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support the "structured Wikiquote" which Yair rand mentioned is α. irrelevant; β. unlikely to be happened due to Meta-Wiki technical concerns; and γ. no logical conflictions to any property bases. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 22:20, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Wikia Article URL 2Edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionWikia Article URL
Data typeURL
Domainfictional character (Q95074), television series episode (Q21191270)… things that have articles in wikia
Allowed values^https?:\/\/(?:[^@\n]+@)?([^:\/\n?]+)\.(wikia|fandom)\.com\/wiki\/.+ (any subdomain of wikia.com or fandom.com)
Example 1
Kermit the Frog (Q1107971)
https://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Kermit
Example 2
Professor Moriarty (Q283111)
https://bakerstreet.fandom.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://de.sherlockholmes.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://es.sherlockholmes.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://pt-br.sherlockholmes.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://de.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://es.startrek.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://fr.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
http://it.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty
Example 3
Mortynight Run (Q22807440)
https://rickandmorty.wikia.com/wiki/Mortynight_Run
http://it.rickandmorty.wikia.com/wiki/Episodio_13
SourceP973 (with any subdomain of wikia.com or fandom.com)
Planned usea lot of items use already use described at URL (P973) to point to wikia pages. these could be automatically replaced
Number of IDs in source2283 yet (see query)
See alsoFandom wiki ID (P4073), Fandom Wikia article ID (P6262)

MotivationEdit

Following the withdrawal of Wikidata:Property proposal/Wikia Article URL and the closure of the proposal by a property creator as "withdrawn". Here is a new proposal. Still think this is preferable over Fandom Wikia article ID (P6262), @Cwf97: if you are still interested. --- Jura 17:16, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Question Why is this better than Fandom Wikia article ID (P6262)? NMaia (talk) 02:43, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

  • P6262 is a redirect to a wiki page title, not a generally unique external identifier for a concept. Users other than Wikia themselves might not even be able to resolve the address correctly. --- Jura 11:58, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment @Cwf97, NMaia: Given the lack of interest, I'd withdraw this. What do you think? --- Jura 03:19, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support--Trade (talk) 23:50, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: what is the status, you are going to withdraw this proposal. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:55, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Swedish Royal Theater ArchiveEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptiona database of roles, persons and plays performed at the Swedish Royal theater Royal Dramatic Theatre (Q1140265)
RepresentsRoyal Dramatic Theatre (Q1140265)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterthere is a template that can be used see sv:Mall:Dramaten used on +700 pages
Domainproperty
Example 1Margaretha Krook (Q1799576)Person/3611
Example 2Betsey Trotwood (Q3639127)?roleName=Bettsy+Trotwood
Example 3David Copperfield (Q189811)Play/598/
Sourcehttps://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken
Planned usepopulate all items
Number of IDs in sourcerough estimate 10000
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttps://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken/$1

MotivationEdit

Task T222515 we have already connected some swedish properties related to music/theater/movie

Swedish Royal Theater Archive will be another step in introducing linked data for museums/theaters related to music and theater. In the long run I hope they will be candidates for implementing their own instances of Wikibase - Salgo60 (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support can be useful to see which fictional characters are played and which theater plays are set up over time (also between theaters / countries). VisbyStar (talk) 06:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment This is great however I think the second example should be invalid. ?category=roles&query=Bettsy+Trotwood is clearly no identifier, nor does its result represent the same thing as the Wikidata item. Abbe98 (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abbe98: agree. I dont see that Dramaten gives us a query a problem (if it is stable) more who should have what data. I think we need to start having a dialogue inside Wikidata and with external parties like Dramaten
  • Should wikidata has everything? - my answer No
  • Should Wikidata has the persons and major plays and we tell the domain experts to join our echo system setting up a Wikibase (Q16354758) - see my presentation last week(GITHUB) were I hope this is the way forward but today I feel its not realistic as its a mismatch between complexity of the concept/Wikibase product maturity/#LOD skills at domain experts
- Salgo60 (talk) 09:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Salgo60: your comment is not related to my concern. The identifiers look fine to me but the query is defiantly not stable and will break sooner or later. It would in almost all cases just be the Wikidata label URL encoded, if applications would like to create such links they could do it on the fly. Linking to unstable query links is the opposite of Linked Open Data. Abbe98 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abbe98: Looks like Betsey Trotwood (Q3639127)?roleName=Bettsy+Trotwood will work as long as two plays dont have identical names :-) Would be better if we asked them to convert Strings to Things as they have for actors in a play. I guess step one is adding actors and plays so this will be next phase - Salgo60 (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Plays in Rollboken are theatre productions, not plays/scripts. I.e. there are three David Copperfields (1941, 1948 & 1953) with their own IDs (see https://www.dramaten.se/medverkande/rollboken/?category=all&query=david+copperfield), none of which are identical to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q189811 (David Copperfield the literary work) Ambrosiani (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
    • @Ambrosiani: Yes and I think they should maybe be in a local en:Wikibase installation at Musikverket?!?!? I guess when connecting a general knowledge graph as Wikidata with a specialist "domain" we have to define "responsibilities" who is caring about what. A good pattern would be if we could get Musikverket to define User stories so that we better understand what added value Wikidata can add. I recommend the Future learn training about how to work together in Open networks link - Salgo60 (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
      • Sure, but until then I think it's only the /Person/ID endpoint that can be used by wikidata items. Ambrosiani (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2019 (EST)
  •   Weak oppose I support this only on the condition that the format is enforced with a slash and a list of things to go before the slash (Play, Person, etc). The second example is gonna break when they revamp their search engine. We can save external ID's but saving search queries is too fragile. --Ysangkok (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

posterEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionadvertising poster for this theatrical or other creative work.
Representsposter (Q429785)
Data typeCommons media file
DomainLikely replaces over-specific Property:P3383, would be used for the extremely common (yet neglected) case of, for example, theatrical posters.
Allowed valuesCommons media file
Example 1Werther (Q926468) would move image to poster
Example 2La Navarraise (Q2709440) ditto
Example 3Thaïs (Q1144467) ditto
Planned useWell, I'm currently working on a long set of posters for commons, none of which are film posters.
See alsoimage, film poster.

MotivationEdit

We literally have a filter trying to push the use of film poster (P3383) in inappropriate places, e.g. note under image (P18) statement at La Navarraise (Q2709440). Either fixing the over-specific "film poster" property, or adding this more generic term will help. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • What speaks against widening the scope of film poster (P3383)? ChristianKl❫ 08:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @ChristianKl: I presume it'd need retranslated and linked more appropriately. That would be my preferred option, honestly, but I don't know how to even propose that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Generally, the way to do this is to start a discussion on the talk page of the relevant property and ping all the people that participated in the property discussion that lead to the creation of the property and any WikiProjects that are associated with the property. ChristianKl❫ 20:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Trade: please don't add statements in a constraint violating way as in the example of La Navarraise (Q2709440). If you think the scope of a property should be changed seek consensus for that instead of using it outside of the scope. ChristianKl❫ 08:58, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

IMFDB work IDEdit

   Done
Descriptionidentifier for a work of fiction (movie, television show, season of television show, anime or video game) on the Internet Firearms Database
RepresentsInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Example 1Die Hard (Q105598)Die_Hard (movie)
Example 2MythBusters (Q486844)Mythbusters (television show)
Example 324, season 1 (Q217261)24_-_Season_1 (season of television show)
Example 4Future Diary (Q62034895)Mirai_Nikki (anime)
Example 5Far Cry 2 (Q176336)Far_Cry_2 (video game)
Sourcehttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Movie, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Television, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Anime, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Video_Game
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/$1
See alsoInternet Movie Database (Q37312)

MotivationEdit

A very comprehensive and detailed database that described the use of firearms in works of fiction.

I might be wrong but this might be our first property related to firearms. Once we are done, we can make properties for actors, firearms and manufactors as well.

Another thing to note, animated televisions shows (that doesn't include anime) are usually banned unless the firearms are clearly identifiable.

I'm not sure whether or not placeholder articles should be included. --Trade (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies Konggaru Starry K. Zerabat Erne Mogilevich Santer AldNonUcallinme?Thibaut120094 Shikeishu C933103 Sight Contamination -Zest ReaperDawn Sakretsu Jean-Frédéric

  Notified participants of WikiProject Anime and Manga ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Zerabat (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Mohammed Adam (T) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC)   Notified participants of WikiProject Video games

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2019 (EST)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Trade, Cwf97, Vulphere, Ysangkok:   Done Esteban16 (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Ident.No.Edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for artworks in the collection of the state museums of Berlin
RepresentsDer Jungbrunnen (Q20828882) => Ident.Nr. 593; Pergamonaltar (Q158058) => Ident.Nr. Pe. 1 und viele weitere mehr
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Senmurv-Platte => Ident.Nr. I. 4926
Example 2The fountain of youth (Q20828882)Ident.Nr. 593
Example 3Pergamon Altar (Q158058)Ident.Nr. Pe. 1
See alsoinventory number (P217)

MotivationEdit

the Ident.Nr. is an unique identification of artwork within the IT systems of the Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin - Preußischer KulturbesitzM1fischer14 (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment inventory number (P217) is generally used for this. --- Jura 17:31, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Either use inventory number (P217) or the label on this identifier needs to be much more specific (for example "Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin ID"). About how many artworks are in the collection and have these identifiers? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Agree that the name needs to be a lot more specific. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Some items have really weird Ident.Nr., like e.g. this Bluse. What is the value of having the Ident.Nr if the museum doesn't actually use it itself for indexing? As you can see, the URL's do not reference it. It's called a Nummer, but is not actually a number. How do they actually use the number in the museums? Because their IT departments don't seem to cherish the system... --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • It doesn't matter if there is no formatter url/direct way of linking. --- Jura 23:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Radio Courtoisie show IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a show on Radio Courtoisie’s website
RepresentsRadio Courtoisie (Q2209224)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainradio program (Q1555508)
Example 1Q64899528libre-journal-de-jean-ferre-du-9-novembre-1987
Example 2Q64899839langue-francaise-joyau-de-notre-patrimoine-du-9-avril-1990
Example 3Q64899696le-monde-de-la-philosophie-du-14-mai-2012
Sourcehttps://www.radiocourtoisie.fr/actualites/
Number of IDs in sourcemore than 1.000
Formatter URLhttps://www.radiocourtoisie.fr/$1
Proposed by80.12.63.74 12:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

catalogue raisonnéEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionto use with the artist to show whether and which catalogue raisonnée exists
Representscatalogue raisonné (Q1050259)
Data typeItem
Allowed unitsartists
Example 1Lucas Cranach the Elder (Q191748)Die Gemälde von Lucas Cranach (Q64937617)
Example 2Vincent van Gogh (Q5582)J.-B. de la Faille: L'Œuvre de Vincent van Gogh, catalogue raisonné (Q17280421)
Example 3George Bellows (Q167132)

MotivationEdit

very useful to combine information to the artist's work Oursana (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • It looks like you want "item" datatype here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Hi Oursana; shouldn't we broaden the proposal to all types of work's comprehensive lists (like full publications lists)? I would love to have such a tool for researchers, for instance... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: I am not quite sure, if I got you right,perhaps you could give an example. The Werkverzeichnis is a very special list, the list for the artist's work, with a great authority.--Oursana (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support - and with a separate field in the artwork template on Wikimedia Commons --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question Is there a particular advantage to creating this property for use on the artist's item, over the existing pattern of using instance of (P31) = catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) / main subject (P921) = <artist> on the item for the catalogue? Usually we prefer properties in the direction that connects many items to one, rather than one item to many. Jheald (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

--Oursana (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

imprimaturEdit

Descriptionperson or organization authorizing publication of the book
Representsimprimatur (Q955005)
Data typeItem
Domainbooks
Allowed valuesitems for persons or organizations
Example 1Catholic Encyclopedia (Q302556)John Murphy Farley (Q547365)
Example 2Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica (Q205921)Samuel Pepys (Q106143)
Example 3The Story of a Soul (Q3136640)Flavien Hugonin (Q1427473)
Planned useadd to some applicable works

MotivationEdit

For historic works .. --- Jura 11:09, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Ayack (talk) 12:52, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support: again, useful. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:30, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support David (talk) 06:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support NMaia (talk) 21:44, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --Trade (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:03, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Yair rand: do you have any objection or you are going to "oppose" this proposal? Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 08:42, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I think what he may have meant is that even if there are no open issues to be addressed and there is a consensus for its creation, the property shouldn't be created before a week has passed, i.e. later today, not yesterday. --- Jura 09:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
    Precisely. The minimum is seven days. (I've proposed making the minimum longer. This property proposal was closed about an hour after it first showed up in the weekly summary, which makes people missing it rather likely.) --Yair rand (talk) 02:06, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I have marked this as ready --DannyS712 (talk) 13:48, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question Isn’t there is a confusion between the person who signed the imprimatur here and the organisation he or her belongs to that make this person in position to authorize ? Also, in the current proposal there is no discussion on how to link the work with the place in which it is authorized (I guess an imprimatur in France was not automatically valid in England, for example). Is it assumed this is an imprimatur for an edition of a work ? author  TomT0m / talk page 13:57, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
    • "object has role"-qualifier can be used to specify the position of the person. The property should be used as in the samples given above. --- Jura 15:47, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
      • In any case, it seems that, according to enwiki : « The imprimatur granted for a publication is not valid for later editions of the same work or for translations into another language. For these, new imprimaturs are required.[8] ». So should it be assumed that the « imprimatur » property means by default « person who signed the imprimatur of the first edition » ? Maybe « imprimatur signed by » as a name ? applies to jurisdiction (P1001) should also be allowed as a qualifier). author  TomT0m / talk page 16:21, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
        • I don't see an ambiguity in the way the sample uses the property. If someone attempts to use it the wrong way round, the description and constraints should take care of it. --- Jura 06:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
          • It’s not really to resolve an ambiguity, it’s to be consistent with the definition of an imprimatur : an authorisation. Compare to a licence for example. If we name a property « licence », the object would not really be the person who signed but the kind of licence. author  TomT0m / talk page 07:44, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
            • Maybe. OTH, we don't use "signatory signed by" either. --- Jura 07:50, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
              • In my model below, « signatory » would be « decider » actually. So indeed this does not make any sense. It’s not supposed to. author  TomT0m / talk page 10:03, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment just for the exercise, I wondered how we could model the rejection of an imprimatur. A solution could be a slighly different model : considering the act of authorisation (or a document symbolising this, like a contract) is the real object of the « imprimimatur » statements. Then unknown value Help (or a concrete item) could mean « the authorisation is granted », no value Help could mean « the authorisation has been rejected, and to express the person in charge of taking the decision claims could be qualified by something as « decider ». An example with « no value » would be
    < Mercier’s cardinal pastoral letter > imprimatur search no value Help
    decider search < Alberto Leipidi >
    [1]. The first example would become, in this model,
    < Catholic Encyclopedia (Q302556) > imprimatur search unknown value Help
    decider search < John Murphy Farley (Q547365) >
    (some value because we don’t have an item for the actual imprimatur document, and we don’t need to, but it exists). The usefulness would be that if an imprimatur was actually rejected for a publication, « decider » could still be used as a qualifier to express who exactly rejected. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:53, 10 July 2019 (UTC) (EDITED)
  1. https://books.google.fr/books?id=yfOBDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT62&dq=lui+refuse+l%27imprimatur&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwismNPeiq_jAhUNmxQKHTYSDOoQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=lui%20refuse%20l'imprimatur&f=false
    • If there is no valid sample, it's hard to discuss and probably not even in scope of www.wikidata.org . If it's rare, we probably don't want to create a property around it. --- Jura 10:15, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
      • Well, if the imprimatur was systematically granted at times it’s of really limited interest. There is probably more value to know stuff which was not authorized for printing and why than the opposite. Otherwise. author  TomT0m / talk page 11:19, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
        • There are many statements on items for printed works, some more interesting than others. --- Jura 18:12, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I have a concern about this itenm from a different perspective. imprimatur (Q955005) is a <subclass of> "consent" - it is the statement or declaration itself, not the person or organization issuing the statement. The label ought to be something like "imprimitur granted by". - PKM (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)
    • imprimatur (Q955005) is somewhat suboptimal. Anyways, this should be a property, not an item. I suppose we will see if the label is problematic or not. --- Jura 21:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

World Encyclopedia of Puppetry Arts IDEdit

MotivationEdit

An online encyclopedia about puppetry, kept by the Union International de la Marionette. All sorts of creative works should be represented on Wikidata. Relic Keeper (talk) 12:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

newspaper archive urlEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptiononline archive of newspaper
Data typeURL
Domainnewspapers and journals
Allowed valuesurls
Example 1The Times (Q50008)http://gale.cengage.co.uk/times.aspx/
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
See alsofull work available at (P953), archives at (P485)

MotivationEdit

As these aren't necessarily listed at or easily accessible from the website with the current issue of the paper (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 08:27, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

@Nomen ad hoc: we discussed this on Wikidata:Bistro some time ago. I can't find the topic though. --- Jura 08:27, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Question This seems to me overly specific with only one known example. Would not it possible to generalize this quite bit to any kind of publication ? I think it’s already possible to do something like this with like « published content archived at url » ? Or is it assumed this property is for an archive of all the publications of an organisation ? (archive might also refer to the internal documents of an organisation, not supposed to be publics). author  TomT0m / talk page 14:20, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
    • There is already a property for the archives of an organization (P485). This is more of a variation of full work available at (P953). It seems a fairly common usecase for newspapers. How do you usual find them? --- Jura 15:39, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

MovieLens IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of a movie in MovieLens
RepresentsMovieLens (Q4353746)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1The Godfather (Q47703)858
Example 2One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Q171669)1193
Example 3Dr. Strangelove (Q105702)750
Example 4Toy Story (Q171048)1
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source58098 from dump
Expected completenesseventually complete
Formatter URLhttps://movielens.org/movies/$1
Robot and gadget jobsCan be imported from the dataset, which also includes IMDb ID (P345) and TMDb movie ID (P4947)

MotivationEdit

MovieLens is a widely researched dataset.GZWDer (talk) 15:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies

  •   Comment Pinging project Jean-Fred (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I opened one of the links, and after about 20 seconds of loading the site asked me for signing in. Everybody sees same or does it depend on country you are based in? --Wolverène (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Same for me, and by the screenshoot on the main page (section "rich data"), I assumed login is required to browse data. And its Wikipedia article says that it "recommends movies for its users to watch, based on their film preferences using collaborative filtering of members' movie ratings and movie reviews" .Esteban16 (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Then it's not obvious how it will be helpful for Wikimedia editors/readers which may not have a wish to waste time on creating account in a highly specialized site. --Wolverène (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Agree. That leans me to   Oppose this proposal. Despite the useful data it may contain, to be required to have an account makes it unpleasant. Esteban16 (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  Comment I thought it is not unheard of to have IDs linking to website requiring account ; however I could only find a couple − filed them under Wikidata property for an identifier with restricted access (Q65096064). Jean-Fred (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Anyone may freely register an account. You may also download the dataset without requirement of any accounts.--GZWDer (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2019 (EST)
It would be nice if you explain your position. I'm not really oppose the proposal but it's definitely not the obvious case. --Wolverène (talk) 08:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

This proposal is a group proposal. The first proposal is for a pair of properties, similarly to start time (P580)  /end time (P582)  , and the second is the analog of valid in period (P1264)   for an item value instead of the pair of properties if relevant.

covered period (start)Edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionstart of period covered by an archive set, a historical book, or a collection
Data typePoint in time
Domainfonds (Q3052382) ; history book (Q10916116) ; collection (Q2668072) ; cultural institution (Q5193377)
Example 1
Example 2… (there are a lot of these items, see this page for example)
Example 3The Clothing of the Common Sort, 1570-1700 (Q61438444) -> covered period (start) -> 1570

covered period (end)Edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionend of period covered by an archive set, a historical book, or a collection
Data typePoint in time
Domainfonds (Q3052382) ; history book (Q10916116) ; collection (Q2668072) ; cultural institution (Q5193377)
Example 1
Example 2… (there are a lot of these items, see this page for example)
Example 3The Clothing of the Common Sort, 1570-1700 (Q61438444) -> covered period (end) -> 1700

Second proposition :

covered periodEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionperiod covered
Data typeItem
Domainsame as above
Allowed valueshistorical period (Q11514315)(or anything with a begin and an end date / inception …)
Example 1
Example 2Auschwitz Album (Q667830) -> Auschwitz concentration camp (Q7341)
Example 3


MotivationEdit

Currently for this purpose start time (P580)   and end time (P582)   are used. This is incorrect as the english description of both implies that they can be used to express the date an item, like a collection, begins to exists. Clearly the date here is not the date the collection begins to exists but the date of the items that it collects begins to exists themselves, so this is not a good use. We need new properties to correct this bad and conflicting use. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@BCU MSS BDC, Dominic: Aubrey
Viswaprabha (talk)
Micru
Tpt
EugeneZelenko
User:Jarekt
Maximilianklein (talk)
Don-kun
VIGNERON (talk)
Jane023 (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Doria (talk)
Ruud 23:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Kolja21
arashtitan
Jayanta Nath
Yann (talk)
John Vandenberg (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
JakobVoss
Danmichaelo (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Ravi (talk)
Mvolz (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hsarrazin (talk) 07:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Accurimbono
Mushroom
PKM (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Revi 16:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Almondega (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
maxlath
Jura to help sort out issues with other projects
Epìdosis
Skim (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Marchitelli (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
BrillLyle (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Alexmar983 (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Chiara (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Thibaut120094 (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Ivanhercaz | Discusión   15:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 17:35, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
User:Jc3s5h
PatHadley (talk) 21:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Erica (ohmyerica) (talk) 19:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Timmy_Finnegan
Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Sam Wilson 09:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
Andreasmperu
MartinPoulter (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
ThelmadatterThelmadatter (talk) 01:11, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
Zeroth (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Emeritus
Ankry
Beat Estermann (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Shilonite - specialize in cataloging Jewish & Hebrew books
Elena moz
Oa01 (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Maria zaos (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikidelo (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Mfchris84 (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Mlemusrojas (talk) 3:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
salgo60 Salgo60 (talk) 12:42, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
Dick Bos (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Harshrathod50
 徵國單  (討論 🀄) (方孔錢 💴) 14:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Alicia Fagerving (WMSE)
Louize5 (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Viztor (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
RaymondYee (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Kcoyle (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Tris T7 TT me
Helmoony (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Naunc1
Shooke (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
DarwIn (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I am Davidzdh. 16:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Juandev (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Buccalon (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
MJLTalk 16:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Rosiestep (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC) Dcflyer (talk) 12:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Books Tubezlob VIGNERON Jane023 Pigsonthewing Ambrosiani Spinster Wittylama Fuzheado Emijrp Daniel Mietchen Marsupium Martingggg Anne-LaureM Beat Estermann Manu1400 Mauricio V. Genta Patafisik MartinPoulter Tris T7 BeatrixBelibaste Clifflandis Mrtngrsbch


  Notified participants of WikiProject Museums Mattsenate (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
KHammerstein (WMF) (talk) 13:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mitar (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mvolz (talk) 18:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Daniel Mietchen (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 13:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Pharos (talk) 14:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
DarTar (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
HLHJ (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Micru (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
JakobVoss (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Abecker (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Mike Linksvayer (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Kopiersperre (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Jonathan Dugan (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Hfordsa (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Runner1928 (talk) 03:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete F (talk)
econterms (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Sj (talk)
author  TomT0m / talk page
guillom (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
·addshore· talk to me! 17:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ainali (talk) 16:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Shani Evenstein (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Skim (talk) 07:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Ocaasi (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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  Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData

DiscussionEdit

Thanks for your answers. - PKM (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Strong support. - PKM (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Note that we also have date depicted (P2913) for point dates (but perhaps only for use on visual works?), and set in period (P2408), for use on items for fictional works. Also, main subject (P921) = <some art movement> may sometimes be more appropriate for some collections or museums, eg Musée d'Orsay (Q23402), Tate Modern (Q193375) ? Jheald (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  • The name doesn't seem yet to be clear to me. Are there other databases that already have a name for this property? Why should the property be named "begin..." and not "start..."? Very little property names use brackets in their name. Do we really want to have them here? ChristianKl❫ 10:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment thanks @TomT0m: for the proposal. For the context, the idea is comming out on the chat room in french.--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Involve in Wikiproject Archival Description, I don't have notice the potential conflict by the use of start time (P580), {{P|582}. This properties are central for us. Also if this proposal is a good clarification I give it my support.--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Sounds excellent. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support Seems to meet a need. Anchardo (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Je vote pour, plus adaptée pour la détermination de périodes historiques Tatakdh --Tatakdh (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I removed "ready" from the 3rd proposal. The samples don't seem to match the definition. Please fix first.   Oppose as presented. --- Jura 17:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Jura1: Can you be more specific ? Is this the « Auswitch » example you have a problem with ? This is meant to refer to the historical period of the concentration camp, and there is indeed begin date and end date about this period in the item, as qualifiers of the instance of (P31) statement. This could do the trick if we consider the « historical period » aspect of items values of this property. But maybe you would expect plain statements such as start time (P580)   / end time (P582)   or inception (P571) / dissolved, abolished or demolished (P576) on the items as a definition of the « historical period » associated to an item ? Or would you more expect only instances of
    subject > instance of (P31)   < historical period >
    as authorized values for those kind of statements ? author  TomT0m / talk page 10:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • There doesn't seem to be an end date. It's not even clear it's a time period. I'm sure you can come up with samples that match your definition. Looks like we lack three samples for the first two as well. In that case, this isn't actually ready either. A link to external website doesn't work for samples. --- Jura 10:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Gotlands museumEdit

   Ready Create
DescriptionID for persons or places connected to objects at Gotlands museums web a local museum in Sweden
RepresentsGotland Museum (Q3182302)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ5 or any relevant object
Allowed values(entities
Example 1Paul Norrby (Q6017386)entities/1092
Example 2Charles XV of Sweden (Q52925)entities/3033
Example 3Barlingbo (Q2203468)places/15
Example 4Fårö (Q1004693)places/37
Sourcehttp://samlingarna.gotlandsmuseum.se/
External linksUse in sister projects: [de][en][es][fr][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usePopulate 100%
Number of IDs in sourcePersons = 4000 ,Places = 150
Expected completeness90%
Formatter URLhttp://samlingarna.gotlandsmuseum.se/index.php/Detail/$1

MotivationEdit

A local museum in Gotland that has a good structure of the material/objects that gets value to be an external property in Wikidata Salgo60 (talk) 05:12, 11 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

(de)evolution methodEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionmethod used to evolve a Pokémon or to make it regress along its evolutionary line
RepresentsPokémon evolution (Q1040143)
Data typeItem
Template parameterTemplate:Infobox Pokémon Card (Q6509891):
  • "causaevolve" in it.wiki
  • "razvija se" in hr.wiki
  • "evoluas pro" in eo.wiki
  • "prvi uvjet" in sh.wiki
DomainItems to be created
Example 1Bulbasaur (Q847571) → by level (16, result: Ivysaur (Q1636903))
Example 2Kadabra (Q2269206) → by trade (result: Alakazam (Q2069801))
Example 3Golbat (Q2345661) → by friendship (result: Crobat (Q2481075))
Example 4Growlithe (Q2312415) → by evolutionary stone (Fire Stone (Q27915858), result: Arcanine (Q2486279))
Example 5Azumarill (Q2705265) → by breeding (result: Marill (Q2705258))
Example 6Azumarill (Q2705265) → by breeding while holding an item (Sea Incense, result: Azurill (Q2739480))
Example 7Alakazam (Q2069801) → by megaevolution (Alakazite (Q56676293), result: Mega Alakazam (Q56676707))
Sourceit.wiki for sure
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Airon90 Tris T7 TT me Tris T7 (talk) ...

  Notified participants of WikiProject Pokémon WD:PKMN seems dead so I make this proposal here, without a earlier discussion. Some Pokémon species change, they evolve and since 2nd generation they can also recess by making an egg and sometimes the original Pokémon must own an item. There are also many ways to evolve a Pokémon: some by level, some by giving a stone, some in a particular (and unmappable singularly) way (e.g. by level and turning 3DS upside down, under the rain or when another Pokémon reach a level, there is room in the team and you have a Pokéball in the bag). This kind of information is important and must be mapped in Wikidata but as long as it need some subproperties to define the way to evolve, I think this needs a standalone property. The name of the property is temporary so if needed, change it. I'm going to show you how to map items: the property will be useful for both evolution and "deevolution" (I don't think there is a specific term for that kind of operation). The property must have one of these as statement, for each way of (de)evolving:

  • leveling up
  • leveling up with high level of friendship
  • leveling up while holding an item
  • leveling up while knowing a certain move
  • leveling up in a certain location
  • leveling up during a certain time of day
  • leveling up while holding an item during a certain time of day
  • leveling up while is a certain gender
  • leveling up in a certain game
  • leveling up with a certain Pokémon or Pokémon of a certain type in the party
  • leveling up while the Nintendo 3DS is upside-down
  • leveling up a Pokémon during certain types of weather.
  • trading the Pokémon
  • trading the Pokémon while holding an item
  • trading the Pokémon for specific Pokémon
  • using an evolutionary stone on it
  • by a particular method
  • breeding
  • breeding while holding an item

Items must be created yet. Then:

  • In case of leveling up, it needs numeric value (P1181) to define which is the lower level in order to trigger evolution
  • In case of item to be held, I honestly don't know if applies to part (P518) or item operated (P121) should work
  • In case of move/type of move to be known, the time of day, the gender, the game, the Pokémon/Pokémon type, the weather, the specific Pokémon to be traded and the evolutionary stone to be used, the property applies to part (P518) should work well.

Every statement should have also direction (P560) in order to define which Pokémon you get after the (de)evolution.

I think I wrote everything. During next week I will create items about evolution, if a sort of consensus is found --★ → Airon 90 09:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

  • How do you handle the fact that different Pokemon editions have different rules? ChristianKl❫ 13:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

This property could be used also to map mega evolution (Q16577590), as example 7, but I don't know how to link back, as I don't think it is possible to use the same property again. --★ → Airon 90 09:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

  •   Support David (talk) 08:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
  •   Comment I know we have lots of Pokemon items, but this seems awfully specific for a property. Could you perhaps use instead followed by (P156) or a similar property, with appropriate qualifiers? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I already considered this option but don't think it is useful, because it would need a qualifier for the qualifier and as of now, Wikidata doesn't have such option: indeed, if I use followed by (P156) then I need a qualifier to define how the item (de)evolves into that specified Pokémon and then I need a qualifier for the qualifier to clarify level/item/Pokémon/...
See examples in order to understand how many data would this operation needs.
Other way to mapping these data are obviously welcome! --★ → Airon 90 06:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
EDIT: IMHO, I also think that it doesn't have any sense to partially map the way of evolution. It is useless to just know that certain Pokémon evolve leveling it up or trading it with another Pokémon withour specifying the level which it evolve since or the Pokémon needed to be traded to trigger evolution. I think that either we allow mapping all data properly or it is useless partial work and it would be then better not to map at all these data :) --★ → Airon 90 06:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
  • How do you handle the fact that different Pokemon editions have different rules? ChristianKl❫ 13:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: Yes, just give correct priority to statements and applies to part (P518) will do the job ;) --★ → Airon 90 07:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Airon90, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2:   Not done, because lacks of consensus for up to 3 months. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:42, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @ZI Jony: Sorry, where is the «lack of consensus»? --★ → Airon 90 07:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Given that nobody voted against this propsal, I don't feel the need to close it and reopened it. Plenty of proposals are open for more then 3 months. ChristianKl❫ 07:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Weak oppose I'm not sure Wikidata is the place to get so specific on the mechanics of one specific game. It's Pokemon now, and what other game will come later? NMaia (talk) 06:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
@NMaia: That info is mapped in many infoboxes, so I think it is somehow useful to Wikipedia, otherwise this info would not be inserted there. If info about other games should be added then we decide what to do later. If you think that this info could be mapped in another way I am open to listen to your proposal ;) --★ → Airon 90 07:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Common Sense Media IDEdit

   Under discussion
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424), book (Q571), video game (Q7889)
Example 1Stranger Things (Q19798734)5405541
Example 2Fortnite (Q349375)5734201
Example 3Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse (Q29588607)6065809
Example 4Shrek (Q483815)1255940
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.commonsensemedia.org/node/$1

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Cwf97 (talk) 23:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment   Support Here's an link to the withdrawn previous proposal. I'll love to see this property but i can't support it when it's using the generated URL rather than the far more stable more stable numerical ID. Cwf97, have you read the previous proposal? --Trade (talk) 23:25, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes, I have.
  •   Support David (talk) 05:54, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Why not? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:02, 17 July 2019 (UTC).