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Creative workEdit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books

Swedish Royal Theater ArchiveEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptiona database of roles, persons and plays performed at the Swedish Royal theater Royal Dramatic Theatre (Q1140265)
RepresentsRoyal Dramatic Theatre (Q1140265)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameterthere is a template that can be used see sv:Mall:Dramaten used on +700 pages
Domainproperty
Example 1Margaretha Krook (Q1799576)Person/3611
Example 2David Copperfield (Q189811)Play/598
Example 3Master Olof (Q1765367)Play/1
Sourcehttps://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken
Planned usepopulate all items
Number of IDs in sourcerough estimate 10000
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttps://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken/$1

MotivationEdit

Task T222515 we have already connected some swedish properties related to music/theater/movie

Swedish Royal Theater Archive will be another step in introducing linked data for museums/theaters related to music and theater. In the long run I hope they will be candidates for implementing their own instances of Wikibase - Salgo60 (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support can be useful to see which fictional characters are played and which theater plays are set up over time (also between theaters / countries). VisbyStar (talk) 06:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment This is great however I think the second example should be invalid. ?category=roles&query=Bettsy+Trotwood is clearly no identifier, nor does its result represent the same thing as the Wikidata item. Abbe98 (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abbe98: agree. I dont see that Dramaten gives us a query a problem (if it is stable) more who should have what data. I think we need to start having a dialogue inside Wikidata and with external parties like Dramaten
  • Should wikidata has everything? - my answer No
  • Should Wikidata has the persons and major plays and we tell the domain experts to join our echo system setting up a Wikibase (Q16354758) - see my presentation last week(GITHUB) were I hope this is the way forward but today I feel its not realistic as its a mismatch between complexity of the concept/Wikibase product maturity/#LOD skills at domain experts
- Salgo60 (talk) 09:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Salgo60: your comment is not related to my concern. The identifiers look fine to me but the query is defiantly not stable and will break sooner or later. It would in almost all cases just be the Wikidata label URL encoded, if applications would like to create such links they could do it on the fly. Linking to unstable query links is the opposite of Linked Open Data. Abbe98 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
@Abbe98: Looks like Betsey Trotwood (Q3639127)?roleName=Bettsy+Trotwood will work as long as two plays dont have identical names :-) Would be better if we asked them to convert Strings to Things as they have for actors in a play. I guess step one is adding actors and plays so this will be next phase - Salgo60 (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Plays in Rollboken are theatre productions, not plays/scripts. I.e. there are three David Copperfields (1941, 1948 & 1953) with their own IDs (see https://www.dramaten.se/medverkande/rollboken/?category=all&query=david+copperfield), none of which are identical to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q189811 (David Copperfield the literary work) Ambrosiani (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
    • @Ambrosiani: Yes and I think they should maybe be in a local en:Wikibase installation at Musikverket?!?!? I guess when connecting a general knowledge graph as Wikidata with a specialist "domain" we have to define "responsibilities" who is caring about what. A good pattern would be if we could get Musikverket to define User stories so that we better understand what added value Wikidata can add. I recommend the Future learn training about how to work together in Open networks link - Salgo60 (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
      • Sure, but until then I think it's only the /Person/ID endpoint that can be used by wikidata items. Ambrosiani (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2019 (EST)
  •   Weak oppose I support this only on the condition that the format is enforced with a slash and a list of things to go before the slash (Play, Person, etc). The second example is gonna break when they revamp their search engine. We can save external ID's but saving search queries is too fragile. --Ysangkok (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • I deleted the query example with search engine - Salgo60 (talk) 11:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose per Ysanglok − Pintoch (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
  • marking as not ready while one of the examples uses a search engine − Pintoch (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
    • I deleted the query example with search engine - Salgo60 (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

posterEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionadvertising poster for this theatrical or other creative work.
Representsposter (Q429785)
Data typeCommons media file
DomainLikely replaces over-specific Property:P3383, would be used for the extremely common (yet neglected) case of, for example, theatrical posters.
Allowed valuesCommons media file
Example 1Werther (Q926468) would move image to poster
Example 2La Navarraise (Q2709440) ditto
Example 3Thaïs (Q1144467) ditto
Planned useWell, I'm currently working on a long set of posters for commons, none of which are film posters.
See alsoimage, film poster.

MotivationEdit

We literally have a filter trying to push the use of film poster (P3383) in inappropriate places, e.g. note under image (P18) statement at La Navarraise (Q2709440). Either fixing the over-specific "film poster" property, or adding this more generic term will help. Adam Cuerden (talk) 21:02, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • What speaks against widening the scope of film poster (P3383)? ChristianKl❫ 08:54, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @ChristianKl: I presume it'd need retranslated and linked more appropriately. That would be my preferred option, honestly, but I don't know how to even propose that. Adam Cuerden (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
Generally, the way to do this is to start a discussion on the talk page of the relevant property and ping all the people that participated in the property discussion that lead to the creation of the property and any WikiProjects that are associated with the property. ChristianKl❫ 20:47, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
@ChristianKl, Adam Cuerden: I would also support widening the definition of film poster (P3383) --Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 09:02, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

IMFDB work IDEdit

   Done
Descriptionidentifier for a work of fiction (movie, television show, season of television show, anime or video game) on the Internet Firearms Database
RepresentsInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainInternet Movie Firearms Database (Q6055596)
Example 1Die Hard (Q105598)Die_Hard (movie)
Example 2MythBusters (Q486844)Mythbusters (television show)
Example 324, season 1 (Q217261)24_-_Season_1 (season of television show)
Example 4Future Diary (Q62034895)Mirai_Nikki (anime)
Example 5Far Cry 2 (Q176336)Far_Cry_2 (video game)
Sourcehttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Movie, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Television, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Anime, http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Category:Video_Game
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/$1
See alsoInternet Movie Database (Q37312)

MotivationEdit

A very comprehensive and detailed database that described the use of firearms in works of fiction.

I might be wrong but this might be our first property related to firearms. Once we are done, we can make properties for actors, firearms and manufactors as well.

Another thing to note, animated televisions shows (that doesn't include anime) are usually banned unless the firearms are clearly identifiable.

I'm not sure whether or not placeholder articles should be included. --Trade (talk) 20:50, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

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DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 15:46, 27 June 2019 (EST)
  •   Support.--Vulphere 16:02, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:37, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Trade, Cwf97, Vulphere, Ysangkok:   Done IMFDB ID (P6992) Esteban16 (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Ident.No.Edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for artworks in the collection of the state museums of Berlin
RepresentsDer Jungbrunnen (Q20828882) => Ident.Nr. 593; Pergamonaltar (Q158058) => Ident.Nr. Pe. 1 und viele weitere mehr
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Senmurv-Platte => Ident.Nr. I. 4926
Example 2The fountain of youth (Q20828882)Ident.Nr. 593
Example 3Pergamon Altar (Q158058)Ident.Nr. Pe. 1
See alsoinventory number (P217)

MotivationEdit

the Ident.Nr. is an unique identification of artwork within the IT systems of the Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin - Preußischer KulturbesitzM1fischer14 (talk) 08:42, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 06:32, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment inventory number (P217) is generally used for this. --- Jura 17:31, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Either use inventory number (P217) or the label on this identifier needs to be much more specific (for example "Staatlichen Museen zu Berlin ID"). About how many artworks are in the collection and have these identifiers? ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:15, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
Agree that the name needs to be a lot more specific. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Some items have really weird Ident.Nr., like e.g. this Bluse. What is the value of having the Ident.Nr if the museum doesn't actually use it itself for indexing? As you can see, the URL's do not reference it. It's called a Nummer, but is not actually a number. How do they actually use the number in the museums? Because their IT departments don't seem to cherish the system... --Ysangkok (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • It doesn't matter if there is no formatter url/direct way of linking. --- Jura 23:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Conditional support @M1fischer14: There are arguments above, have you read them? Would you be kind enough to complete your proposal, please? You can help yourself with comments next to the lines to fill in or get inspired by other propositions. Otherwise the proposal may be badly received. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:49, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

catalogue raisonnéEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionto use with the artist to show whether and which catalogue raisonnée exists
Representscatalogue raisonné (Q1050259)
Data typeItem
Allowed unitsartists
Example 1Lucas Cranach the Elder (Q191748)Die Gemälde von Lucas Cranach (Q64937617)
Example 2Vincent van Gogh (Q5582)J.-B. de la Faille: L'Œuvre de Vincent van Gogh, catalogue raisonné (Q17280421)
Example 3George Bellows (Q167132) → ?

MotivationEdit

very useful to combine information to the artist's work Oursana (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • It looks like you want "item" datatype here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Hi Oursana; shouldn't we broaden the proposal to all types of work's comprehensive lists (like full publications lists)? I would love to have such a tool for researchers, for instance... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: I am not quite sure, if I got you right,perhaps you could give an example. The Werkverzeichnis is a very special list, the list for the artist's work, with a great authority.--Oursana (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support - and with a separate field in the artwork template on Wikimedia Commons --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question Is there a particular advantage to creating this property for use on the artist's item, over the existing pattern of using instance of (P31) = catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) / main subject (P921) = <artist> on the item for the catalogue? Usually we prefer properties in the direction that connects many items to one, rather than one item to many. Jheald (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

--Oursana (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  •   Comment I agree with Jheald here - the direction of this property feels wrong to me. Is there not a risk that a given item could have a lot of statements for this property? Marking as not ready. − Pintoch (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
    • one item to many?? I do not understand the arguments of Jheald and Pintoch. Could you please give an example and explain. There are very few Werkverzeichnis, normally none to one, maximum very seldom 3--Oursana (talk) 10:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
      • By one item to many we mean that it would be more natural to add a statement in the other direction, from each "catalogue raisonné" to its subject. The many in this phrase does not mean that there would be too many links to do it in the other direction, it is just a description of the relation (see en:One-to-many (data model) ). − Pintoch (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm neutral on this one. I'm quite reluctant about creating one to many properties, in this case one person with multiple catalogue raisonnées, but what would be the maximum here? What artist has more than 10 of them? Maybe Rembrandt (Q5598)? @Jane023: as our catalog queen, what do you think? Multichill (talk) 09:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
          • Thanks for the ping. Though I am all for more catalogs raisonné on Wikidata for artists, the catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) is currently also in use for all sorts of things, not just "all works by artists", but also "all items in collection". That said, yes it would be nice to have a link from the artist to an item about their most notable (or only!) monograph. But the problem here is exactly the same as the one for the "Notable print" proposal for paintings that I had before. Who is to say that the notable print is indeed notable? Is it notable because it made the painting famous? Or is it notable because it was copied by a notable painter? Or was it made when the painting was in an important collection? Though valid, those questions don't even come near the crux of the matter which is that the print (or catalog in this case) has a specific instance as an edition. Do we want all editions and/or translations? I think not. The way to handle the problem this proposal tries to address is to try and address the issue of having a "reasonator-like link" on the artist page that will point the reader to all Wikidata resources available, such as the creator lists of course, but also (and not limited to) the catalog raisonné listeria list (if it exists). Signed, the catalog queen! Jane023 (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Use the model suggested by User:Jheald, with a "...has role" qualifier; like this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

MovieLens IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of a movie in MovieLens
RepresentsMovieLens (Q4353746)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1The Godfather (Q47703)858
Example 2One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Q171669)1193
Example 3Dr. Strangelove (Q105702)750
Example 4Toy Story (Q171048)1
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source58098 from dump
Expected completenesseventually complete
Formatter URLhttps://movielens.org/movies/$1
Robot and gadget jobsCan be imported from the dataset, which also includes IMDb ID (P345) and TMDb movie ID (P4947)

MotivationEdit

MovieLens is a widely researched dataset.GZWDer (talk) 15:32, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

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  •   Comment Pinging project Jean-Fred (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I opened one of the links, and after about 20 seconds of loading the site asked me for signing in. Everybody sees same or does it depend on country you are based in? --Wolverène (talk) 17:15, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Same for me, and by the screenshoot on the main page (section "rich data"), I assumed login is required to browse data. And its Wikipedia article says that it "recommends movies for its users to watch, based on their film preferences using collaborative filtering of members' movie ratings and movie reviews" .Esteban16 (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Then it's not obvious how it will be helpful for Wikimedia editors/readers which may not have a wish to waste time on creating account in a highly specialized site. --Wolverène (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Agree. That leans me to   Oppose this proposal. Despite the useful data it may contain, to be required to have an account makes it unpleasant. Esteban16 (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  Comment I thought it is not unheard of to have IDs linking to website requiring account ; however I could only find a couple − filed them under Wikidata property for an identifier with restricted access (Q65096064). Jean-Fred (talk) 12:07, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Anyone may freely register an account. You may also download the dataset without requirement of any accounts.--GZWDer (talk) 22:20, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:53, 8 July 2019 (EST)
It would be nice if you explain your position. I'm not really oppose the proposal but it's definitely not the obvious case. --Wolverène (talk) 08:50, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

This proposal is a group proposal. The first proposal is for a pair of properties, similarly to start time (P580)  /end time (P582)  , and the second is the analog of valid in period (P1264)   for an item value instead of the pair of properties if relevant.

covered period (start)Edit

Descriptionstart of period covered by an archive set, a historical book, or a collection
Data typePoint in time
Domainfonds (Q3052382) ; history book (Q10916116) ; collection (Q2668072) ; cultural institution (Q5193377)
Example 1
Example 2… (there are a lot of these items, see this page for example)
Example 3The Clothing of the Common Sort, 1570-1700 (Q61438444) -> covered period (start) -> 1570

covered period (end)Edit

Descriptionend of period covered by an archive set, a historical book, or a collection
Data typePoint in time
Domainfonds (Q3052382) ; history book (Q10916116) ; collection (Q2668072) ; cultural institution (Q5193377)
Example 1
Example 2… (there are a lot of these items, see this page for example)
Example 3The Clothing of the Common Sort, 1570-1700 (Q61438444) -> covered period (end) -> 1700

Second proposition :

covered periodEdit


MotivationEdit

Currently for this purpose start time (P580)   and end time (P582)   are used. This is incorrect as the english description of both implies that they can be used to express the date an item, like a collection, begins to exists. Clearly the date here is not the date the collection begins to exists but the date of the items that it collects begins to exists themselves, so this is not a good use. We need new properties to correct this bad and conflicting use. author  TomT0m / talk page 14:42, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

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User:Jarekt
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Jane023 (talk) 08:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Alexander Doria (talk)
Ruud 23:15, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Kolja21
arashtitan
Jayanta Nath
Yann (talk)
John Vandenberg (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
JakobVoss
Danmichaelo (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Ravi (talk)
Mvolz (talk) 08:21, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
Hsarrazin (talk) 07:56, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Accurimbono
Mushroom
PKM (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
Revi 16:54, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
Giftzwerg 88 (talk) 23:36, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
Almondega (talk) 00:17, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
maxlath
Jura to help sort out issues with other projects
Epìdosis
Skim (talk) 13:52, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
Marchitelli (talk) 12:29, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
BrillLyle (talk) 15:33, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Alexmar983 (talk) 23:53, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:44, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Chiara (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2016 (UTC)
Thibaut120094 (talk) 20:31, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
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YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 17:35, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
User:Jc3s5h
PatHadley (talk) 21:51, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Erica (ohmyerica) (talk) 19:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
User:Timmy_Finnegan
Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 05:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
Sam Wilson 09:24, 24 May 2017 (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 22:25, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
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Zeroth (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
Emeritus
Ankry
Beat Estermann (talk) 20:07, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Shilonite - specialize in cataloging Jewish & Hebrew books
Elena moz
Oa01 (talk) 10:52, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Maria zaos (talk) 11:39, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Wikidelo (talk) 13:07, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
Mfchris84 (talk) 10:08, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Mlemusrojas (talk) 3:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
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Dick Bos (talk) 14:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
Marco Chemello (BEIC) (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
Harshrathod50
 徵國單  (討論 🀄) (方孔錢 💴) 14:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
Alicia Fagerving (WMSE)
Louize5 (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
Viztor (talk) 05:48, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
RaymondYee (talk) 21:12, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 22:14, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Kcoyle (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
JohnMarkOckerbloom (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Tris T7 TT me
Helmoony (talk) 19:49, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
Naunc1
Shooke (talk) 19:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
DarwIn (talk) 14:58, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I am Davidzdh. 16:08, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Juandev (talk) 10:03, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
Buccalon (talk) 15:51, 27 March 2019 (UTC)
MJLTalk 16:48, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Rosiestep (talk) 20:26, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Dcflyer (talk) 12:23, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Susanna Giaccai (talk) 05:56, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Asaf Bartov (talk) 19:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Msuicat (talk) 17:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
SilentSpike (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
TheFireBender (talk) 12:40, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Irønie
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Mvolz (talk) 18:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Daniel Mietchen (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 13:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Pharos (talk) 14:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
DarTar (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
HLHJ (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Micru (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
JakobVoss (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Abecker (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Mike Linksvayer (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Kopiersperre (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Jonathan Dugan (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Hfordsa (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Runner1928 (talk) 03:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete F (talk)
econterms (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Sj (talk)
author  TomT0m / talk page
guillom (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
·addshore· talk to me! 17:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ainali (talk) 16:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Shani Evenstein (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Skim (talk) 07:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Ocaasi (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Trilotat Trilotat (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
NAH
Iwan.Aucamp
  Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData

DiscussionEdit

Thanks for your answers. - PKM (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Strong support. - PKM (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Note that we also have date depicted (P2913) for point dates (but perhaps only for use on visual works?), and set in period (P2408), for use on items for fictional works. Also, main subject (P921) = <some art movement> may sometimes be more appropriate for some collections or museums, eg Musée d'Orsay (Q23402), Tate Modern (Q193375) ? Jheald (talk) 15:45, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  • The name doesn't seem yet to be clear to me. Are there other databases that already have a name for this property? Why should the property be named "begin..." and not "start..."? Very little property names use brackets in their name. Do we really want to have them here? ChristianKl❫ 10:05, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment thanks @TomT0m: for the proposal. For the context, the idea is comming out on the chat room in french.--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Involve in Wikiproject Archival Description, I don't have notice the potential conflict by the use of start time (P580), end time (P582). This properties are central for us. Also if this proposal is a good clarification I give it my support.--2le2im-bdc (talk) 14:26, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Sounds excellent. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:31, 16 July 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support Seems to meet a need. Anchardo (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Je vote pour, plus adaptée pour la détermination de périodes historiques Tatakdh --Tatakdh (talk) 10:38, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I removed "ready" from the 3rd proposal. The samples don't seem to match the definition. Please fix first.   Oppose as presented. --- Jura 17:12, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
  • @Jura1: Can you be more specific ? Is this the « Auswitch » example you have a problem with ? This is meant to refer to the historical period of the concentration camp, and there is indeed begin date and end date about this period in the item, as qualifiers of the instance of (P31) statement. This could do the trick if we consider the « historical period » aspect of items values of this property. But maybe you would expect plain statements such as start time (P580)   / end time (P582)   or inception (P571) / dissolved, abolished or demolished (P576) on the items as a definition of the « historical period » associated to an item ? Or would you more expect only instances of
    subject > instance of (P31)   < historical period >
    as authorized values for those kind of statements ? author  TomT0m / talk page 10:00, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  • There doesn't seem to be an end date. It's not even clear it's a time period. I'm sure you can come up with samples that match your definition. Looks like we lack three samples for the first two as well. In that case, this isn't actually ready either. A link to external website doesn't work for samples. --- Jura 10:33, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support all, although I'm not sure example 2 for the third property (the Auschwitz one) would be appropriate. For that example maybe something like main subject (P921) might be better, especially since the first two properties would be used to indicate the time period. Jc86035 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

@ChristianKl, Nomen ad hoc, Jc86035, PKM, Tatakdh, 2le2im-bdc: @TomT0m, Jheald, Anchardo, Jura1:   Done: start of covered period (P7103). − Pintoch (talk) 10:04, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

  • I agree with Jc86035 on the the Auschwitz example - it does not seem suitable to me so I have marked the remaining property as not ready until there is an agreement on this. − Pintoch (talk) 17:48, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
    @Pintoch: I have added some further possible examples. A challenge is to identify relationships that would not be better described by main subject (P921) on the one hand, or the new specific start-year and end-year properties on the other. I am not sure I have succeeded -- others may be able to suggest better choices. Jheald (talk) 19:27, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

(de)evolution methodEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionmethod used to evolve a Pokémon or to make it regress along its evolutionary line
RepresentsPokémon evolution (Q1040143)
Data typeItem
Template parameterTemplate:Infobox Pokémon Card (Q6509891):
  • "causaevolve" in it.wiki
  • "razvija se" in hr.wiki
  • "evoluas pro" in eo.wiki
  • "prvi uvjet" in sh.wiki
DomainItems to be created
Example 1Bulbasaur (Q847571) → by level (16, result: Ivysaur (Q1636903))
Example 2Kadabra (Q2269206) → by trade (result: Alakazam (Q2069801))
Example 3Golbat (Q2345661) → by friendship (result: Crobat (Q2481075))
Example 4Growlithe (Q2312415) → by evolutionary stone (Fire Stone (Q27915858), result: Arcanine (Q2486279))
Example 5Azumarill (Q2705265) → by breeding (result: Marill (Q2705258))
Example 6Azumarill (Q2705265) → by breeding while holding an item (Sea Incense, result: Azurill (Q2739480))
Example 7Alakazam (Q2069801) → by megaevolution (Alakazite (Q56676293), result: Mega Alakazam (Q56676707))
Sourceit.wiki for sure
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Airon90 Tris T7 TT me Tris T7 (talk) ...

  Notified participants of WikiProject Pokémon WD:PKMN seems dead so I make this proposal here, without a earlier discussion. Some Pokémon species change, they evolve and since 2nd generation they can also recess by making an egg and sometimes the original Pokémon must own an item. There are also many ways to evolve a Pokémon: some by level, some by giving a stone, some in a particular (and unmappable singularly) way (e.g. by level and turning 3DS upside down, under the rain or when another Pokémon reach a level, there is room in the team and you have a Pokéball in the bag). This kind of information is important and must be mapped in Wikidata but as long as it need some subproperties to define the way to evolve, I think this needs a standalone property. The name of the property is temporary so if needed, change it. I'm going to show you how to map items: the property will be useful for both evolution and "deevolution" (I don't think there is a specific term for that kind of operation). The property must have one of these as statement, for each way of (de)evolving:

  • leveling up
  • leveling up with high level of friendship
  • leveling up while holding an item
  • leveling up while knowing a certain move
  • leveling up in a certain location
  • leveling up during a certain time of day
  • leveling up while holding an item during a certain time of day
  • leveling up while is a certain gender
  • leveling up in a certain game
  • leveling up with a certain Pokémon or Pokémon of a certain type in the party
  • leveling up while the Nintendo 3DS is upside-down
  • leveling up a Pokémon during certain types of weather.
  • trading the Pokémon
  • trading the Pokémon while holding an item
  • trading the Pokémon for specific Pokémon
  • using an evolutionary stone on it
  • by a particular method
  • breeding
  • breeding while holding an item

Items must be created yet. Then:

  • In case of leveling up, it needs numeric value (P1181) to define which is the lower level in order to trigger evolution
  • In case of item to be held, I honestly don't know if applies to part (P518) or item operated (P121) should work
  • In case of move/type of move to be known, the time of day, the gender, the game, the Pokémon/Pokémon type, the weather, the specific Pokémon to be traded and the evolutionary stone to be used, the property applies to part (P518) should work well.

Every statement should have also direction (P560) in order to define which Pokémon you get after the (de)evolution.

I think I wrote everything. During next week I will create items about evolution, if a sort of consensus is found --★ → Airon 90 09:24, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

  • How do you handle the fact that different Pokemon editions have different rules? ChristianKl❫ 13:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

This property could be used also to map mega evolution (Q16577590), as example 7, but I don't know how to link back, as I don't think it is possible to use the same property again. --★ → Airon 90 09:32, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

  •   Support David (talk) 08:32, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
  •   Comment I know we have lots of Pokemon items, but this seems awfully specific for a property. Could you perhaps use instead followed by (P156) or a similar property, with appropriate qualifiers? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:01, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
I already considered this option but don't think it is useful, because it would need a qualifier for the qualifier and as of now, Wikidata doesn't have such option: indeed, if I use followed by (P156) then I need a qualifier to define how the item (de)evolves into that specified Pokémon and then I need a qualifier for the qualifier to clarify level/item/Pokémon/...
See examples in order to understand how many data would this operation needs.
Other way to mapping these data are obviously welcome! --★ → Airon 90 06:48, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
EDIT: IMHO, I also think that it doesn't have any sense to partially map the way of evolution. It is useless to just know that certain Pokémon evolve leveling it up or trading it with another Pokémon withour specifying the level which it evolve since or the Pokémon needed to be traded to trigger evolution. I think that either we allow mapping all data properly or it is useless partial work and it would be then better not to map at all these data :) --★ → Airon 90 06:53, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
  • How do you handle the fact that different Pokemon editions have different rules? ChristianKl❫ 13:30, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
@ChristianKl: Yes, just give correct priority to statements and applies to part (P518) will do the job ;) --★ → Airon 90 07:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
  • @Airon90, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2:   Not done, because lacks of consensus for up to 3 months. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:42, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
    • @ZI Jony: Sorry, where is the «lack of consensus»? --★ → Airon 90 07:10, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
  • Given that nobody voted against this propsal, I don't feel the need to close it and reopened it. Plenty of proposals are open for more then 3 months. ChristianKl❫ 07:24, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Weak oppose I'm not sure Wikidata is the place to get so specific on the mechanics of one specific game. It's Pokemon now, and what other game will come later? NMaia (talk) 06:31, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
@NMaia: That info is mapped in many infoboxes, so I think it is somehow useful to Wikipedia, otherwise this info would not be inserted there. If info about other games should be added then we decide what to do later. If you think that this info could be mapped in another way I am open to listen to your proposal ;) --★ → Airon 90 07:29, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Since there are loads of Pokemon fans editing Wikidata and Wikipedia, and Pokemon is already deemed notable for Wikipedia, the argument of "we can't have properties for every fantasy" is moot. If there were no community behind it, we couldn't, but since there is a lot of interest, it won't be an issue. This point can be raised once somebody wants to make a property for something more obscure. --Ysangkok (talk) 16:02, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I would support if it was more generic, and could be applied to other game mechanics. What about something like "uses progression mechanic (Q66309984)"?--Pharos (talk) 03:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
@Pharos: I am not sure about your wording: Pokémon evolution (Q1040143) is a progression mechanic (Q66309984) and this property is about how it happens. Anyway, the name of the property is not that important, as long as it will be used as I am proposing --★ → Airon 90 09:59, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
@MJL: Either you didn't read the proposal or you didn't understand it. appears in the form of (P4675) is about what an item turns into (Zeus into a *bull*), my proposal is about how an item turns into another item (Bulbasaur into Ivysaur *by levelling it up* to 16). I am not a Digimon fan and AFAIK this proposal is not useful for Q2577011, unlike mega evolution (Q16577590) as megastonesare different from each other.
I would broaden the scope a bit, but I don't see how to do that. We can broaden the scope later, too. --★ → Airon 90 07:13, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

line(s)Edit

   Done: line(s) (P7421) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionline number(s) of reference for claim
Data typeString
Domainreferences
Example 1Q150827#P7150 → 743-745
See alsopage(s) (P304), column (P3903), measure number (P7141), folio(s)

MotivationEdit

Seems more suitable than section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958). Please add more samples. --- Jura 13:27, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment Do you propose this property to replace (in the medium term) section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) — or to be combined with it? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 19:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC).
    • Not in general, only for the relevant part in the (first) sample above. Similarly column (P3903) didn't replace it either. Maybe "verse" would need to be deleted from the label of P958. --- Jura 11:30, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
        Support so. (And the current proposal to be entitled "line(s)/verse(s)".) Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:43, 11 August 2019 (UTC).
      • I'm fine with having it as an alias, but w:line (poetry) compared to w:verse (poetry) has the advantage of not having too many other meanings. --- Jura 12:54, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    All right. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:56, 11 August 2019 (UTC).
  •   Comment What about non-numbered book lines? Could someone use this property counting it oneself? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:58, 11 August 2019 (UTC).
    • I'd think so. Columns generally aren't numbered either. --- Jura 13:01, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Correction: looks like in the sample use, they are. --- Jura 14:35, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

translated titleEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionThe canonical (official or recognized) translation of the title of an work (usually an scientific article) in a foreign language (usually English), where the work itself is usually not translated. It is usually translated by the author of the work.
Data typeMonolingual text
Domainwork
Example 1The band structure in microwave frequency for quasi-1-D coaxial photonic crystals (Q66665412) → The band structure in microwave frequency for quasi-1-D coaxial photonic crystals (English)
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
Robot and gadget jobsMass import from 1. bibliographic database with multilingual title 2. databases which only records the English title (e.g. PubMed)
See alsohas edition (P747) for work that is translated; literal translation (P2441)

MotivationEdit

Per this edit a new property may be needed. GZWDer (talk) 00:37, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment I'd argue the referenced edit was in error. If the article has an official title in any language, that should be under title (P1476), with the appropriate language tag. This doesn't seem in any way wrong or confusing. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Why would we do it differently for Chinese articles? --- Jura 20:01, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
      • Why would this be special for Chinese? Articles in Canadian media may have both a French and English title, and I'd consider it the right thing to do to add both to the Wikidata item. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:01, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
        • Thanks for clarifying your POV. --- Jura 22:38, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Mattsenate (talk) 13:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
KHammerstein (WMF) (talk) 13:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mitar (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Mvolz (talk) 18:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Daniel Mietchen (talk) 18:09, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Merrilee (talk) 13:37, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Pharos (talk) 14:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
DarTar (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
HLHJ (talk) 09:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Micru (talk) 20:11, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
JakobVoss (talk) 12:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 02:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Jodi.a.schneider (talk) 09:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Abecker (talk) 23:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:21, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
Mike Linksvayer (talk) 23:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Kopiersperre (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Jonathan Dugan (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Hfordsa (talk) 19:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 15:09, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Runner1928 (talk) 03:25, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Pete F (talk)
econterms (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2015 (UTC)
Sj (talk)
author  TomT0m / talk page
guillom (talk) 21:57, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
·addshore· talk to me! 17:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
Bodhisattwa (talk) 16:08, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Ainali (talk) 16:51, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Shani Evenstein (talk) 21:29, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Skim (talk) 07:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 23:19, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Ocaasi (talk) 22:19, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
Trilotat Trilotat (talk) 15:43, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
NAH
Iwan.Aucamp
  Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData ChristianKl❫ 17:10, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

    • So should we have some way to differentiate original and non-original title? Using a new property or rank?--GZWDer (talk) 18:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Why not just use the label? — eru [Talk] [french wiki] 18:26, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
    • Label can not be sourced and does not imply the translation is official.--GZWDer (talk) 22:14, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Some further clarification needed as to how the usage of this property would differ from the present practice of adding literal translation (P2441) qualifiers to the title (P1476) statement to give translations of the title into different languages. Do we need both approaches? Can we clearly identify when one should be used rather than the other? Jheald (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support given that labels in some fields are polluted with not translated titles. Should we also allow translated titles by, e.g. pubmed? Many English titles seem to come from there, but I don't think this matches the current definition. Any that can be referenced? --- Jura 09:53, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

scope and contentEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptiona summary statement providing an overview of the archival collection
Representsscope and content (Q66763493)
Data typeMonolingual text
Example 1James A. Farley Papers (NAID 146765098) (Q66759541) → "The papers of James A. Farley consist of letters and a telegram from Harry S. Truman to Farley. The subject matter varies from responses to recommendation letters sent by Farley, to discussion of the political climate in Missouri during Truman’s time as a Senator."
Example 2Rafael Pico Papers (NAID 146765108) (Q66759542) → "The papers of Rafael Pico are composed of correspondence from his time as President of the Puerto Rico Planning Board, as well as letters related to his nomination as Commissioner of Education of Puerto Rico. Many of the papers concern his later appointment by President Harry S. Truman as a member of the Anglo-American Caribbean Commission."
Example 3Madge Gates Wallace Papers (NAID 2642226) (Q59495126) → "The Madge (Margaret) Gates Wallace Papers contain bank statements, canceled checks, receipts, correspondence, invitations, memorabilia, printed material, and other items relating to her life and family. Madge Gates Wallace was the first daughtof George P. and Elizabeth Gates, and the mother of Bess Wallace Truman."
See also

MotivationEdit

Scope and content (or a "scope and content note") is a standardized data field used in finding aids or catalog records for describing collections in archival science. It is usually a brief narrative field in which the archivist gives a formal overview of the collection in a human-readable statement. The A Glossary of Archival and Records Terminology (Q59211060) describes it as "A narrative statement summarizing the characteristics of the described materials, the functions and activities that produced them, and the types of information contained therein." It is defined in data standards such as DACS, Library of Congress, Jisc, and NARA. Note that it is typically considered mandatory for describing archival collections.

Please note, though it may seem unstructured, this is not the same as Wikidata's "description" field, and that is why a property is necessary. It is a defined field from the data standard, with a specific meaning, and archivists follow a certain procedure in constructing it. Dominic (talk) 20:44, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Updating per Will's suggestion below, a description I am using for one of the examples above is "collection in the National Archives and Records Administration's holdings". We don't usually put much more detail than that in the Wikidata item description, so that's how scope and content differs. Dominic (talk) 14:02, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support This is great. It may be worth contrasting a Wikidata description example agaainst a scope and content example in this proposal so editors less familiar with this can distinguish the two. Wskent (talk) 21:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support --2le2im-bdc (talk) 06:03, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose unstructured content --- Jura 10:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: That is not true according to everything I wrote above. It is a defined field in structured datasets. Is your objection that the values are strings of human-readable text? But that is what monolingual-text datatype properties are for. See quote (P1683), inscription (P1684), epigraph (literature) (P7150), etc. Dominic (talk) 14:50, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
    • I understand your point of view, but I don't share it. --- Jura 15:03, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
      • It's fine to have a considered opinion on a topic, but I have linked to actual data standards this property is defined in, so you cannot simply call it "unstructured" and say we have a different point of view. Dominic (talk) 15:33, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
        • It's a summary text, just like a Wikipedia article. Wikipedia isn't actually unstructured either, but it's generally seen as such from a Wikidata point of view. --- Jura 16:04, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
        • Similar proposals: Wikidata:Property proposal/blazon discussed with @Multichill, PKM: or Wikidata:Property proposal/preparation instructions --- Jura 14:25, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
          • It's not similar at all. You are conflating all strings of descriptive text, referring to it as "unstructured," whereas this one is actually a required field in widely used data standards–which is different from just making a free-text field Wikidatans can put descriptions in. Dominic (talk) 19:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
            • Not sure if people doing Blazon descriptions would appreciate that. Blazon descriptions can appear cryptic, as the vocabulary being used in highly specialized. How is that different from what you are proposing? --- Jura 18:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
              • I think you are confused, because I didn't say anything about cryptic vocabulary being a good or bad thing. We are not here to argue for or against that other property, either. I am talking about a having a property so we can import particular fielded data, about items we already describe, from JSON- or XML-encoded archival datasets using professional data standards. You are calling that unstructured, which is just not true. If you believe a particular type of data is not appropriate for Wikidata, that is one thing, but it actually seems like you just have an axe to grind. Dominic (talk) 23:43, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────   Comment Just to summarize: it's a free text field and as such I oppose its creation. --- Jura 02:37, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Jura1: Repeating your falsehood with a "  Comment" and unindenting does not make it true. It's kind of rude. You are saying "free text" to imply anyone could put whatever they think in the field, whereas the actual proposal is for importing a data element from archival descriptions, which are generated by trained archivists at the repositories that contain the collections. It is a text field, but not in any way "free" text. Dominic (talk) 15:39, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I think we know about the problems with your imports, but this no reason to accuse people who review your addition of falsehood. It's probably preferable if you just link the source: this would avoid the problem with had with your previous import of 200,000 defective statements. You could use Wikisource or Commons for this set of free text descriptions. They are made for that. --- Jura 15:48, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Just to make clear my support for this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:10, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support - PKM (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm not against the property itself, but I'm a bit worried that this is going to be filled with non-CC0 content, and therefor opening up a possible license issue, content wise. If the field is going to be filled with copy/paste texts from an archive website, it will not contain CC0 texts, and might therefor not belong to WikiData at all. Edoderoo (talk) 07:06, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @Edoderoo: That is for the editor to determine, just as with other string properties (e.g. "excerpt" or "quotation"). My data source, for example, is a US government agency, and the values would all be PD. If an institution claims copyright, then it would not be able to be imported, but Wikidata already has policies for that. Dominic (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose I have read the arguments above by the proponent. I think if the text has a restricted vocabulary, you should make an ontology and import it. If it's not formalized it either should be, or it is free text. I agree that the description field often has problems but that should be addressed elsewhere. --SCIdude (talk) 11:43, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
    • @SCIdude: I suppose you're against titles, then, since they do not use a controlled vocabulary? I don't understand where these arguments are coming from. It doesn't align with actual practice on Wikidata. Dominic (talk) 15:31, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
      • @Dominic: Titles and descriptions, and what else? --SCIdude (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
        • @SCIdude: The description is not a property, as that truly is free-text, but I am talking about the fact that Wikidata does allow and encourage many properties with non-controlled vocabulary values, such as "title", as long as they have a clear scope and rationale (as in this case). This is what the monolingual-text datatype is for. Just because the value does not consist of an entity (Item datatype) does not mean there can't be a single true value. It's not a free text field, as claimed above. Dominic (talk) 16:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
          • There are standards on what to add to a Wikidata item description, just as there are for blazon descriptions or the property you are proposing. --- Jura 10:27, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment @Wskent, Dominic, 2le2im-bdc, PKM, Edoderoo, SCIdude: Note Jura has solicited input from Project Chat here; people who've commented here may want to add their thoughts there as well. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

2le2im-bdc (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC) Beat Estermann (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC) Flor WMCH Gilliane Kern (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC) Laureano Macedo (talk) 09:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen VIGNERON scottythered Patafisik anarchivist KelliBee123 (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC) Anne Chardonnens (talk) Yooylee 30 (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC) Mlemusrojas (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC) erussey Kcohenp (talk) 16:28, 03 June 2019 (UTC) Mrtngrsbch Amandine (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

  Notified participants of WikiProject Archival Description. Is it needed, according to the specialists? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 18:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC).

I posted there already when this property was proposed. Also, for what it's worth, I work at the US National Archives, and have specialist knowledge (which I have been sharing in the form of this proposal :) ). Dominic (talk) 19:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
All right, I didn't see it. And yes, I know you are; I should have said "other specialists" instead. Cheers, Nomen ad hoc (talk) 20:09, 12 September 2019 (UTC).
  Comment Dear @Dominic:, we, archivist, have to recognize this proposal as a borderline cas for Wikidata. String values are exceptions in Wikidata Properties and string with many sentences even more. "Scope and Content" is one of our keys standards description properties but not one obligatory. The really great job you make in Wikidata with archiv of NARA will it be stop without this properties? @Wskent, ArthurPSmith, Nomen ad hoc, PKM, Edoderoo, SCIdude: @Gilliane, Anchardo, LuciOle: --2le2im-bdc (talk) 06:39, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support obviously, this seems to be an essential part of archiving procedure. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 08:20, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Neutral per 2le2im. Furthermore, chat about widening corporate purpose (P6346) (also a string-text property) to all kinds of project, unit or group officially proclaimed scopes (@Dominic:)? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 10:21, 13 September 2019 (UTC).
    • @Nomen ad hoc: Sorry, late reply, but regarding your suggestion, I think there is probably a distinction to be made between "authoritative" (as in, how it is described by some qualified source, such as a relevant heritage organization) and "official", (which is to say, probably found in a legal document, and generated by the corporate body itself, as seems to be the intention of corporate purpose (P6346)). For thinking about the "authoritative" meaning, we might look to descriptive elements for authorities are defined in data standards, such as DACS Description of Person, Family, or Corporate Body. I am not as well-versed in authorities, but I do think it's worthy of further discussion. Dominic (talk) 16:50, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Speaking as an archivist and someone who builds archival discovery systems, this is needed. The extent to which it is a required element from the standpoint of descriptive standards varies, but for example in Describing Archives: A Content Standard (Q5263780), it is required for single-item or top-level archival descriptions. Anarchivist (talk) 18:29, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
    • I think there are other fields that could benefit from a synopsis fields. It's just that we generally leave that to other WMF sites. --- Jura 15:46, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

ScienceOpen publication IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of an author in ScienceOpen
RepresentsScienceOpen (Q22666524)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpeople
Allowed values[0-9a-f]{8}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{4}-[0-9a-f]{12}
Example 1World Scientists’ Warning to Humanity: A Second Notice (Q48989388)9fd49726-0ff2-43bd-b574-b6566a446554
Example 2Scientists rise up against statistical significance (Q66778032) → c629f83c-7a2d-4e37-aa11-486f9741a179
Example 3How Diversity Works (Q56341333) → 75646fcd-8e42-4afc-b120-41460eb0a49b
Example 4Republican lawmaker: Rocks tumbling into ocean causing sea level rise (Q66778038) → a915795e-13ae-4b5a-bfe7-4707f1b3fd3d
Example 5Sex redefined (Q55884981) → d0eedb90-ab67-4184-a7dd-95ce4d1fbe4e
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source57,736,394
Formatter URLhttps://www.scienceopen.com/document?vid=$1
Robot and gadget jobsprobably

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 07:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose only due to the lack of a motivation statement. Once a proper motivation is added I will support this proposal. Mahir256 (talk) 16:24, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC).
  •   Support Cwf97 (talk) 19:34, 14 September 2019 (EST)
  • @GZWDer: please see Mahir256`s comment and update the same. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 16:26, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

front- and backsideEdit

backside imageEdit

  • We could use both proposed properties for Wikidata items about coins & emails, also. However, I oppose under the proposed name. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:14, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

frontside imageEdit

MotivationEdit

c:Category:Media files produced by UNESCO: 2019-09 looks like it could use this. Please add more samples. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 10:44, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Question Will the inverse constraint work with itself? I guess yes... Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:41, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
It would be a symmetric constraint (Q21510862) in that case. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:51, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
It's hard to say what would be easier to use. I added a few samples for paintings that aren't directly linked.--- Jura 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
  • @Jane023: maybe The Oxbow (Q3172259) could use the first property to link to File:View from Mount Holyoke, Northampton, Massachusetts, after a Thunderstorm—The Oxbow MET DP-12550-002.jpg. --- Jura 22:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Yes that would work. Actually you might get more votes by suggesting both properties for a WGA painting currently lacking an item. So the main point of this proposal is that my original comment in the Commons discussion doesn't work. There I said that you need a Commons-based placeholder for the "thing itself" which normally lives on Wikidata for notable paintings. As far as the recto/verso thing goes, your proposal applies beter to e.g. this: File:Huys Dever -Ego sum pastor bonus.jpg as well. Jane023 (talk) 07:25, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
      • @Jane023: At this stage, I mainly try to integrate and improve the proposal based on constructive input received (or formulate an entirely different one). I think it's important to delimit the proposal to properties used for two-sided artworks (done above now). Also to use for actual backsides of paintings hadn't occurred to me, but somehow it does seem missing. I think some art historians like to see them even if images aren't necessarily easily available (added the sample above now). File:Giovanni di Paolo - Virgin and Child - WGA09479.jpg mentioned above didn't actually have an item prior to this proposal. --- Jura 08:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

maximum number of playable charactersEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionNumber of total playable characters in a video game.
Representsplayer character (Q1062345)
Data typeQuantity
Domainvideo game (Q7889)
Allowed valuesnumbers
Example 1Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 (Q2073725) → 51
Example 2Injustice 2 (Q24717189) → 38
Example 3Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga (Q55214) → 160
Example 4Mortal Kombat: Armageddon (Q1299648) → 63
Example 5X-Men: Mutant Academy 2 (Q4021195) → 19
See alsomaximum number of players (P1873)

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) Cwf97 (talk) 15:07, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Mohammed Adam (T) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Esteban16 (talk) 00:08, 27 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj   Notified participants of WikiProject Video games--Trade (talk) 20:22, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

  •   Support David (talk) 16:28, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Is there some reason you picked String datatype instead of Quantity (integer values are fine) or even Item (we have items for all integers up to many thousands)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:24, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
    Was changed to Quantity in Special:Diff/1019484244 Jean-Fred (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I’m not convinced by this proposal:
  • Jean-Fred (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm also skeptical about this property. IMO characters (P674) would be enough in this case. Sir Lothar (talk) 13:49, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
    • That means one would need to know all characters, enter all characters, be sure that a given Wikidata item includes all characters. Not sure how one could do the last one and if it's efficient to do the first two in advance. --- Jura 15:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      Hmmm, looking deeping, I guess there is some precedent for that, with things like number of children (P1971), number of episodes (P1113), number of seasons (P2437) (although, for the last two, the count is inferred via inverse properties) ; or the combo number of parts of this work of art (P2635)/tracklist (P658).
      I find the argument “how can we be sure that characters (P674) is complete” a bit curious to be honest − it could apply for a lot of properties − “number of actors” for cast member (P161), “number of editions” for has edition (P747), “number of parts” for has part (P527), etc. − no?
      Also, is this supposed to be qualified to make the difference between, starter characters, unlockable characters and downloadable characters? How about palette swaps?
      Jean-Fred (talk) 17:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      “one would need to know all characters” → Are there cases where one would know the number but not have the list? Jean-Fred (talk) 17:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
      • I'm not sure about the need for this property as I don't edit these items, but I tried to spell out what would the underlying assumptions of the "use P674" argument. I don't think it's comparable with "number of editions" as that is not a static number. --- Jura 11:39, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
        • Well, from a gamer's point of view, i just don't see how this property could be useful, that's why I wrote I'm skeptical. It's much more informative to write for example, that one can choose Raiden, Sub-Zero or Scorpion in Mortal Kombat (Q150294), than to say it has max. number of 7 playable characters. Sir Lothar (talk) 08:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Basis Wien person IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of a person in the Basis Wien database
RepresentsBasis Wien database (Q69271125)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[0-9]\d*
Example 1Hans von Aachen (Q152835)116906
Example 2Øystein Aasan (Q16161027)87099
Example 3Magdalena Abakanowicz (Q158080)22833
Example 4Q59640291121498
Format and edit filter validation[0-9]\d*
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Mix'n'match2826
Number of IDs in source90401
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://www.basis-wien.at/db/person/$1

MotivationEdit

Linked database of “contemporary art in and outside Austria within an international context”, with 90,401 people and groups. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts Tobias1984 Mfchris84 Katjos phaebz Jean-Frédéric   Notified participants of WikiProject Austria

DiscussionEdit

Basis Wien institution IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of an institution in the Basis Wien database
RepresentsBasis Wien database (Q69271125)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ
Allowed values[0-9]\d*
Example 1University of Applied Arts Vienna (Q877686)50658
Example 2Galleria Nazionale d'Arte Moderna e Contemporanea (Q1492387)89058
Example 3Österreichische Galerie Belvedere (Q303139)11783
Format and edit filter validation[0-9]\d*
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source16505
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://www.basis-wien.at/db/institution/$1

MotivationEdit

Linked database of “contemporary art in and outside Austria within an international context”, with 16,505 institutions. Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts Tobias1984 Mfchris84 Katjos phaebz Jean-Frédéric   Notified participants of WikiProject Austria

DiscussionEdit

Basis Wien event IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of an event in the Basis Wien database
RepresentsBasis Wien database (Q69271125)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[0-9]\d*
Example 1Q5533670383501
Example 2Q5533822164763
Example 3Gustav Klimt/Josef Hoffmann. Pioneers of Modernism (Q60413254)80521
Example 4Q5533709284364
Format and edit filter validation[0-9]\d*
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source66299
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttp://www.basis-wien.at/db/event/$1

MotivationEdit

Linked database of “contemporary art in and outside Austria within an international context”, with 66,299 events (exhibitions & projects). Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts Tobias1984 Mfchris84 Katjos phaebz Jean-Frédéric   Notified participants of WikiProject Austria

DiscussionEdit

Basis Wien object IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of a person in the Basis Wien database
RepresentsBasis Wien database (Q69271125)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainQ
Allowed values[0-9]\d*
Example 1The Night of a Thousand Hours (Q26849103)133125
Example 2Fast Film (Q3067100)115656
Example 3Copy Shop (Q2996883)115652
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source59482
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.basis-wien.at/db/object/$1

MotivationEdit

Linked database of “contemporary art in and outside Austria within an international context”, with 59,482 objects (artworks or sources). Jean-Fred (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts Tobias1984 Mfchris84 Katjos phaebz Jean-Frédéric   Notified participants of WikiProject Austria

DiscussionEdit

EconBiz publication IDEdit

DescriptionID of a journal, book or article in EconBiz
RepresentsEconBiz (Q1282060)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublication
Allowed values\d{11}
Example 1Causal relationship between banking system development and real estate market (Q69585207)10012056197
Example 2“New Diaspora Philanthropy”? The Philanthropy of the UJA-Federation of New York Toward Israel (Q69585465) → 10012064515
Example 3Fragile New Economy (Q69585527) → 10011976210
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source10826049
Formatter URLhttps://www.econbiz.de/Record/$1
Robot and gadget jobsprobably

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 21:19, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, GZWDer, MartinPoulter:   Done: EconBiz publication ID (P7408). − Pintoch (talk) 08:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

ERIC publication IDEdit

DescriptionID of an article or book in ERIC
RepresentsEducation Resources Information Center (Q2915193)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainarticle, book
Allowed valuesE(D\d{6}|J\d{7})
Example 1Weights and Measures Standards of the United States: A Brief History (Q61781625)ED142418
Example 2Characteristics and Limitations of English Language Teaching in China: Autoethnography of a Mainland-born English Learner and Teacher (Q69586303) → EJ1213020
Example 3From Cantonese Lexical Tone Awareness to Second Language English Vocabulary: Cross-Language Mediation by Segmental Phonological Awareness (Q69586902) → EJ1225398
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttps://eric.ed.gov/?id=$1
Robot and gadget jobsprobably

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 21:38, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, GZWDer, Pru.mitchell:   Done: ERIC publication ID (P7409). − Pintoch (talk) 08:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

image with frameEdit

Descriptionmedia file of painting or other 2D artwork with its frame or more of its surroundings included
Data typeCommons media file
Domainpaintings, other 2d artworks
Example 1Self-Portrait (Q2546309)File:Autorretrato Durero Munich 03.jpg
Example 2Portrait of Madame de Verninac (Q3399485)File:Portrait de madame de Verninac by David Louvre RF1942-16 n1.jpg
Example 3Albertine i politilægens venteværelse (Q2831725)File:Christian Krohg - Albertine i politilegens venteværelse - IMG 9789- national gallery oslo.jpg
Planned useadd to paintings from c:Category:Paintings with frames
Formatter URLhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
See alsoimage (P18)

MotivationEdit

Proposal following discussion with Jane023 and others about frames at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings#Format. Please add more samples (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 08:13, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Thanks for creating this. I am now wondering if it is only useful for paintings with frames. I can imagine in the case of sculpture, you might want an image of the whole gallery, and for historic events such as movements of large paintings, you might want a picture of it in transit. So this property could be in use more than once when paintings go on show in exhibitions and they are hung next to a copy or pendant or some other interesting combination. Jane023 (talk) 08:19, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Jane023: I'm a bit hesitant about including 3d works. To some extent, these tend to include surroundings. How should we delimit them? I'd tend not to include them. --- Jura 08:43, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
      • It has to do with context. So you could have this property on an exhibition history statement, or you could have this property as a qualifier on the image statement (if you are just including the frame). Consider this as an example of a pendant pair in an exhibition location: File:Cornelis Janssens van Ceulen - Jasper Schade and his Wife Cornelia Strick 20180716 058.jpg. You could just include the image with frame for each portrait separately, but having the pendant painting also showing in the image adds important context that the frame alone doesn't show. Jane023 (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
        • @Jane023: I think the above sample would be covered. With 3d works I meant sculptures. --- Jura 09:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 15:05, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support Very valuable, a) to have the additional link to a painting, showing its frame; and b) to take such images as far as possible out of the regular stream of P18 links. Jheald (talk) 15:46, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment I don't see much advantage of this proposed property compared to adding a second image (P18) with / applies to part (P518) picture frame (Q860792) qualifier with normal rank and setting the image (P18) without frame to preferred rank so that one gets the version without frame on retrieval unless queried specifically. But I don't think it is harmful to have this property either. If it gets created the other modelling should be ported and this property documented at Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structure. --Marsupium (talk) 13:06, 11 October 2019 (UTC)
    • I will try to do the porting. BTW, it should include the frame, not reproduce only the frame (what "applies to part=picture frame" might suggest). --- Jura 13:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

FantLab author IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for the author in FantLab
RepresentsFantLab (Q1169438)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainwriter (Q36180)
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Dan Simmons (Q297538)1
Example 2Douglas Adams (Q42)24
Example 3Roger Zelazny (Q295406)3
Example 4Alexander Belyayev (Q497925)14
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://fantlab.ru/autor$1

MotivationEdit

FantLab is one of the most popular russian SF&F bibliography website with thousands of authors, works, etc. HedgeHog (talk) 20:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @HedgeHog: I tried to create this property but an automatic check failed: example value "Dan Simmons" does not match regular expression \d+. Please fix your proposal and your property will be created shortly. This is an automated message but do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help. − Pintoch (talk) 08:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Pintoch: Thank you. I've fixed examples, please, try again. HedgeHog (talk) 09:04, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  • @HedgeHog: I tried to create this property but an automatic check failed: label and description are identical for languages ru and en. Please fix your proposal and your property will be created shortly. This is an automated message but do not hesitate to ping me if you need any help. − Pintoch (talk) 09:53, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
    • @Pintoch: Descriptions for property have been fixed. HedgeHog (talk) 11:36, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

FantLab work IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for the literary work in FantLab
RepresentsFantLab (Q1169438)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainwritten work (Q47461344)
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Hyperion (Q1798059)1
Example 2The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (Q3107329)2076
Example 3Nine Princes in Amber (Q2492950)18
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://fantlab.ru/work$1

MotivationEdit

FantLab is one of the most popular russian SF&F bibliography website with thousands of authors, works, etc. HedgeHog (talk) 16:48, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

FantLab publisher IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for the publisher in FantLab
RepresentsFantLab (Q1169438)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublisher (Q2085381)
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Tor Books (Q2647037)1820
Example 2Ace Books (Q536795)1528
Example 3Baen Books (Q799732)1337
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://fantlab.ru/publisher$1

MotivationEdit

FantLab is one of the most popular russian SF&F bibliography website with thousands of authors, works, publishers, etc. HedgeHog (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 15:52, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

FantLab award IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for the award in FantLab
RepresentsFantLab (Q1169438)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainliterary award (Q378427)
Allowed values\d+
Example 1Hugo Award (Q188914)2
Example 2Nebula Award (Q194285)3
Example 3World Fantasy Award (Q594886)4
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://fantlab.ru/award$1

MotivationEdit

FantLab is one of the most popular russian SF&F bibliography website with thousands of authors, works, literary award, etc. HedgeHog (talk) 18:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 15:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

academia.edu publication IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of a publication at academia.edu
Representsacademia.edu (Q2777905)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublication
Allowed values\d+
Example 1The British Royal Family’s Circumcision Tradition (Q56444131)10049615
Example 2Urartian and the Urartians (Q70232105) → 10023756
Example 3Saddam's Security Apparatus During the Invasion of Kuwait and the Kuwaiti Resistance (Q70235068) → 1022103
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttps://www.academia.edu/$1
See alsoAcademia.edu institutional ID (P4052), Academia.edu profile URL (P5715), Academia.edu topic ID (P5801)

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 19:27, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 14:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:53, 10 October 2019 (UTC).
  •   Oppose in the absence of an explicit motivation. (Add such a motivation and I'll support it.) Mahir256 (talk) 01:21, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

creator's signatureEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionimage of the artist's mark on the work identifying themselves as such: name, initials or monogram; sometimes including "fecit", "sculpsit" or "pinxit"
Representssignature (Q1373131)
Data typeCommons media file
Domainpaintings and other works
Allowed valuesimage of artist's signature only
Example 1Adam (Q27697307)File:Duerermonogramm Adam 1507.jpg
Example 2Landscape with a Footbridge (Q3888854)File:Albrecht Altdorfer monogram (Footbridge Landscape, in the sky).jpg
Example 3Q69773698File:Suzette Holtens monogram 1932.jpg
Example 4Repair work on the railway (Q16691862)File:Savitsky Repair work on the railway gtg signature1.jpg
Example 5Teodelapio (Q3983835)File:Firma_di_Alexander_Calder_sul_Teodelapio_a_Spoleto.JPG
Example 6Sgraffiti of Ludwigstraße 14 (Bad Kötzting) (Q70919212)File:Bad Koetzting Ludwigstr 14 005.jpg
Example 7Margrave Christoph I of Baden (Q29480571)File:Hans Baldung - autograph in the painting Markgraf Christoph I. von Baden.JPG
Example 8Altar of St. Maria (Auhausen) (Q70919615)File:Auhausen_St._Maria_475gf.JPG
Example 9Bronze knight (Q70919879)File:Klagenfurt_St._Peter_Welzenegg_Gottscheer_Strasse_1_Filialkirche_hl._Ulrich_Monument_Baron_Kaiserstein_Detail_29122016_5914.jpg
Example 10Q20480097File:MelvilleSignatur.JPG
Example 11Musikantenbrunnen, Oberhaching (Q65517779)File:Oberhaching Musikantenbrunnen (4).jpg
Example 12Copper statue of Saint Thomas (Q70920699)File:Villach Obere Fellach Kupferblech-Statue hl Thomas Monogramm des Kunstschmieds 26062017 9883.jpg
Example 13Landscape with Woodcutter (Q70921444)File:Albrecht Altdorfer monogram (Woodcutter Landscape, cut into a tree).jpg
Example 14Christ and the Adulteress (Q70921935)File:Alessandro allori, cristo e l'adultera, 1577 (s. spirito) 09 firma.jpg
Example 15The Annunciation, with Saint Emidius (Q642198)File:Carlo crivelli, annunciazione con sant'emidio, dalla chiesa dell'annunciazione ad ascoli 12 firma.jpg
Example 16Saint Jerome in His Study (Q1989202)File:Albrecht dürer, san girolamo nello studio, 1521, 03 libri con firma.jpg
Example 17Assumption of the Virgin (Q70922928)File:Andrea boscoli, assunzione della vergine coi ss. francesco e caterina da siena, 1605 ca. (san ginesio, chiesa di s. francesco) 11 piede e firma.jpg
Example 18Venus and Cupid (Q70923347)File:Alessandro allori, venere e amore, 1575-80 ca. (montpellier, museo fabre) 09 firma.jpg
Example 19Argenteuil (Q2860945)File:Edouard manet, argenteuil, 1874, 04 firma.jpg
Example 20Annunciation (Q3618170)File:Bartolomeo vivarini, annunciazione, 1472 (modugno, chiesa matrice) 03 firma e data.jpg
Example 21Q70970430File:Boccaccio boccaccino, madonna in trono tra i ss. vincenzo e antonio da padova, 1518, da s. vincenzo, 06 firma.jpg
Example 22Q70970953File:Cagnaccio di san pietro, autoritratto, 1938, 03 firma.jpg
Example 23
Planned use
Formatter URLhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
See alsoimage (P18), signature (P109)

MotivationEdit

An image of a painter's signature on a work can make it easier to compare them with signatures of the same painter on other paintings. I don't think the existing signature (P109) would be suitable as it's meant for items about people and its definition of "signature" somewhat differs.

Proposal following discussion with Jane023 at Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_sum_of_all_paintings#Artist's signature on painting. Please add more samples (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 07:28, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

  • @Sailko: it seems that many images are uploaded by you. --- Jura 06:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • One downside to that approach: Sometimes sources blow up the signature but have the painting as a whole at a resolution where the signature by itself is not clearly visible. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support I always try to make a detail of the signature, if I spot. Would be nice to have a field to link that in Wikidata --Sailko (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

KinematoscopeEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionDatabase about Films adaptations of literary work (18th and 19th century)
RepresentsInstitut d'Histoire des Représentations et des Idées dans les Modernités (Q30274357) - Lumière University Lyon 2 (Q4041) - Q24938883 - National Center for Scientific Research (Q280413)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424) - literary work (Q7725634) - writer (Q36180) - actor (Q33999) - film director (Q2526255)
Example 1Adolphe (Q2824760)Adolphe (Film)
Example 2Bel Ami (Q339761)Bel-Ami (Literary work)
Example 3Honoré de Balzac (Q9711) Honoré de Balzac (Writer)
Example 4Aimé Clariond (Q2828049)Aimé Clariond (Actor)
Example 5J. Stuart Blackton (Q724276)James Stuart Blackton (Film director)
Number of IDs in source2635 Films
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttp://kinematoscope.org/Corpus/Films?ID=$1 http://kinematoscope.org/Corpus/Oeuvres?ID=$1 http://kinematoscope.org/Corpus/Auteurs?ID=$1 http://kinematoscope.org/Corpus/Acteurs?ID=$1 http://kinematoscope.org/Corpus/Realisateurs?ID=$1

MotivationEdit

A great Database about Literature, History of film and Cultural history!

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies Malvoört (talk) 15:53, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support David (talk) 16:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)