Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work


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Creative workEdit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books

catalogue raisonnéEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionto use with the artist to show whether and which catalogue raisonnée exists
Representscatalogue raisonné (Q1050259)
Data typeItem
Allowed unitsartists
Example 1Lucas Cranach the Elder (Q191748)Die Gemälde von Lucas Cranach (Q64937617)
Example 2Vincent van Gogh (Q5582)J.-B. de la Faille: L'Œuvre de Vincent van Gogh, catalogue raisonné (Q17280421)
Example 3George Bellows (Q167132) → ?

MotivationEdit

very useful to combine information to the artist's work Oursana (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • It looks like you want "item" datatype here? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:37, 1 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 06:32, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Hi Oursana; shouldn't we broaden the proposal to all types of work's comprehensive lists (like full publications lists)? I would love to have such a tool for researchers, for instance... Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:34, 2 July 2019 (UTC).
@Nomen ad hoc: I am not quite sure, if I got you right,perhaps you could give an example. The Werkverzeichnis is a very special list, the list for the artist's work, with a great authority.--Oursana (talk) 19:31, 2 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Support - and with a separate field in the artwork template on Wikimedia Commons --Trzęsacz (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Question Is there a particular advantage to creating this property for use on the artist's item, over the existing pattern of using instance of (P31) = catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) / main subject (P921) = <artist> on the item for the catalogue? Usually we prefer properties in the direction that connects many items to one, rather than one item to many. Jheald (talk) 17:39, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

--Oursana (talk) 02:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

  •   Comment I agree with Jheald here - the direction of this property feels wrong to me. Is there not a risk that a given item could have a lot of statements for this property? Marking as not ready. − Pintoch (talk) 21:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
    • one item to many?? I do not understand the arguments of Jheald and Pintoch. Could you please give an example and explain. There are very few Werkverzeichnis, normally none to one, maximum very seldom 3--Oursana (talk) 10:37, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
      • By one item to many we mean that it would be more natural to add a statement in the other direction, from each "catalogue raisonné" to its subject. The many in this phrase does not mean that there would be too many links to do it in the other direction, it is just a description of the relation (see en:One-to-many (data model) ). − Pintoch (talk) 10:49, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
        • I'm neutral on this one. I'm quite reluctant about creating one to many properties, in this case one person with multiple catalogue raisonnées, but what would be the maximum here? What artist has more than 10 of them? Maybe Rembrandt (Q5598)? @Jane023: as our catalog queen, what do you think? Multichill (talk) 09:40, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
          • Thanks for the ping. Though I am all for more catalogs raisonné on Wikidata for artists, the catalogue raisonné (Q1050259) is currently also in use for all sorts of things, not just "all works by artists", but also "all items in collection". That said, yes it would be nice to have a link from the artist to an item about their most notable (or only!) monograph. But the problem here is exactly the same as the one for the "Notable print" proposal for paintings that I had before. Who is to say that the notable print is indeed notable? Is it notable because it made the painting famous? Or is it notable because it was copied by a notable painter? Or was it made when the painting was in an important collection? Though valid, those questions don't even come near the crux of the matter which is that the print (or catalog in this case) has a specific instance as an edition. Do we want all editions and/or translations? I think not. The way to handle the problem this proposal tries to address is to try and address the issue of having a "reasonator-like link" on the artist page that will point the reader to all Wikidata resources available, such as the creator lists of course, but also (and not limited to) the catalog raisonné listeria list (if it exists). Signed, the catalog queen! Jane023 (talk) 10:18, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Oppose Use the model suggested by User:Jheald, with a "...has role" qualifier; like this. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
  •   Comment Perhaps we can use described by source (P1343) qualified with type of reference (P3865) (or "object has role" as suggested above)? - PKM (talk) 21:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose While I like the idea, we circumvent the authority problem with using it the other way around. And in the long term we will have several catalogue raisonnés. It would be great if we can show in the future the inverse relation items in a structured manner. --Hannolans (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2020 (UTC)
    • I am novice here, but inverse relations sounds like Boolean logic, whereas Not, Nand, Nor are attached to inputs as well as outputs. I know this is a long shot here, but I refer to US Military Training, Electronics. Computer (1972), Paptilian (talk) 19:05, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Weak oppose It is true that the model suggested by Jheald should be enough and I am generally against creating needless "inverse properties". However I sympathise very much with the proposal as there is currently (AFAIK) no way to display all catalogues raisonné for an artist on Wikimedia Commons if the catalogue is only linked from the catalogue's side and not vice versa.Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 14:44, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
    • That is an interesting comment. I suppose I never thought about it in terms of Commons before. I assume you are talking about the creator template? If so, the number of catalogs for Rembrandt (Q5598) would definitely make the artwork template on his Commons paintings look pretty weird if you uncollapse it. It might be better to have it in Category infobox. Since you could easily infer it (see methods explained above), maybe @Mike Peel: could think of a way to show it? Having such functionality could possibly be a justification for having creator categories on Commons that are otherwise empty (due to copyright reasons). Jane023 (talk) 07:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
      • @Jane023: Sorry for the slow reply to your ping. I don't know of any way to do this without having the inverse property, so I've !voted support below. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support Inverse properties are necessary to display the information in infoboxes (which can't do sparql queries to find the reverse links). In this case the property would be very useful for Commons categories about artists. @Jheald, Pintoch, Pigsonthewing, PKM, Hannolans, Vojtěch Dostál: I would encourage you to reconsider your oppose votes. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 20:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Patamu Certificate IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier of Patamu Registration Certificate
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Targa Scan (Q54165632)118571-977
Example 2Zuppometro (Q50213306)98058-e10
Example 3SIM Scanner (Q54855571)98060-c76
Sourcehttps://www.patamu.com/
Formatter URLhttps://www.patamu.com/certificate/$1

MotivationEdit

Patamu is a web platform that provides a service of protection from plagiarism and storage of creative works (music and lyrics, literary works, code and software, visual arts, cinema and theater, science and research, design and architecture, other type) 94.34.249.146 18:04, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment It's not clear what Wikidata items your examples apply to, can you fix this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:37, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
Hi, I have provide Wikidata items for my examples. Best 94.34.249.131 07:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Hmm, they all have the same creator. Does this certificate apply to anything else in Wikidata, created by somebody else? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes of course. Potentially over 100.000 creative works can use this certificate and all of them have international validity. But I don't know somebody else to show in example. 94.34.132.135 15:58, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support Bx67212 (talk), 10:52, May 17, 2020‎ (UTC)
  •   Support 78.13.172.155, 19:10, December 27, 2020‎ (UTC)
  •   Support 212.14.140.2 08:15, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support 5.90.238.13 08:24, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment How do you search for entities there? inurl:https://www.patamu.com/index.php/en/certificate/ finds nothing, and there is no search form or full list of certificates, as far as I can see. --Lockal (talk) 06:27, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
each author is free to hide the certificate of his work and therefore there is not a list of all the certificates, in fact, each work has its own unique certificate that can be shared. 5.90.165.195 12:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I say   Oppose until we get a least some diversity of examples. I'd also like to see some evidence this site actually has substantial use. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:18, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

IGCD fictional car IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier of a fictional automotible in the Internet Game Cars Database
RepresentsInternet Game Cars Database (Q82559395)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfictional automobile (Q15707563)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Danville (Q61157068)19949
Example 2Eiswolf (Q61157070)157938, 17979
Example 3Atlasbreaker (Q60618469)10000036, 59614
Example 4FBI (Q61157071)7973, 17982
Sourcehttps://www.igcd.net/index.php
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.igcd.net/vehicle.php?id=$1

MotivationEdit

 – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Trade (talk • contribs) at 15:21, February 27, 2020‎ (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment Why are there are more than one number for some of these examples? Is it really an identifier? Or do our items join together several distinct fictional vehicles? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:04, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I notice that your id's for Eiswolf and FBI are the same, also, something seems wrong there! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • @ArthurPSmith: Some of these fictional vehicles appears in more than one video game hence why some of them have multiple numbers. Specific unique vehicles such as Luz' Eiswolf should have their own item. --Trade (talk) 18:31, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
  • But why are there two cars with the same identifier value - 17982 ? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:49, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

measure of gobbledygookEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionassessment of readability with this index or grade. Qualify with "quantity" (P1114) to include the actual score/grade/index level.
Representsreadability test (Q2114712)
Data typeItem
Domaintext, generally with a full text version at Wikisource
Allowed valuesinstances of readability test score (Q91797784), e.g. SMOG grade (Q91745089); not the tests themselves (e.g. SMOG (Q7391268))
Example 1Moby-Dick (Q174596)Flesch reading ease score (Q91742269), qualified with quantity (P1114) = 57.9 [1]
Example 2Green Eggs and Ham (Q2759523)Flesch–Kincaid grade level (Q91743051), qualified with quantity (P1114) = -1.3 [2]
Example 3MISSING

MotivationEdit

In order to conceive and create this wikipage to propose and initiate the creation of a new Wikibase/Wikidata entity of the entity-type property, myself, as its author, attempt to spell out the following, after considering and pondering the applicability, usefulness, non-inutility and purposivity of alternatively potentially applicable modalities, and debating at length with other possible options, after writing, drafting and formulating an initial version or edition that hasn't seen the light of the day, the reification of the informational content in the scope of this proposition will lead to an onthologically beneficial result and outcome or solution. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 11:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dhx1: as per previous discussions --- Jura 11:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment @Jura1: How about a quantity datatype, where the units are items such as SMOG grade (Q91745089)? Dhx1 (talk) 12:37, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: It's an option I considered. An aspect is that the values wouldn't be meaningful by themselves and one would have to retrieve the (unconvertible) units to actually get the information. --- Jura 12:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: another aspect is that on the Wikidata GUI, there is just no link to the unit and its item. --- Jura 14:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Dhx1: shall we move ahead with this? --- Jura 16:44, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
    • @Jura1: What about a quantity datatype (no units?) and determination method (P459) as a mandatory qualifier? Otherwise I think it'd be best to have a property created for each type of readability scoring method if the intent is to use the data directly in infoboxes. Dhx1 (talk) 23:15, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
      • @Jura1: Cancel my previous suggestion, as determination method (P459) would probably describe the process used to generate the readability score. For example, a particular software product and version was used, or a score can be generated in two or more ways. Besides creating multiple properties for each readability score method, use of units still seems to be most appropriate despite the limitations you mentioned. Other approaches such as using measurement scale (P1880) as a mandatory qualifier don't match the intended use of the existing properties, even though the labels may imply they could be used. As a third suggestion, I suppose determination method (P459) could be used with two values--i.e. both a scoring mechanism (paper describing the readability scoring system?) and calculating mechanism (software?). Dhx1 (talk) 23:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
        • @Dhx1: I hadn't thought of P1880. Let me think about that one. There is indeed a need to indicate the tool used and applying P459 for both would be suboptimal. BTW Talk:Q2114712 has a summary of measures and different formulas to calculate them. --- Jura 09:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
        • @Dhx1: do we have any cases where quantities with multiple, unconverted values really work out? It's already not simple for population numbers or elo ratings. The more I think about this proposal, the more like the initial form. --- Jura 14:05, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Dhx1: mostly forgot about this one. I think it would still be worth doing in one way or the other. --- Jura 11:13, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

introduced in version, removed in versionEdit

introduced in versionEdit

removed in versionEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionInverse of removed feature (P756).
Data typeItem
Domainfeature
Allowed valuessoftware
Example 1APIEditBeforeSave (Q21675045)MediaWiki 1.34 (Q89096161)
Example 2MISSING
Example 3MISSING
See alsodeprecated in version (P2379)

DiscussionEdit

A software version can introduce a large number of new feature that can not be added to the version item.

Previous proposal: Wikidata:Property proposal/introduced in version

--GZWDer (talk) 07:57, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

  •   Support I hadn't taken notice of deprecated in version (P2379) before, but all three of these seem useful. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support Jc86035 (talk) 14:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment I would like to see these properties replace introduced feature (P751) and removed feature (P756), but I'm not sure if I support having an item for every software version and feature. --Haansn08 (talk) 16:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
  • If this is a clear superset of introduced feature (P751) and removed feature (P756) it would make more sense to increase the scope of those and maybe rename them. Is there are argument that we want this property to be distinct from those two? ChristianKl❫ 10:47, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I hadn't realized these proposals were inverses of existing properties; I think we need a better argument for creating them; I've struck my support vote. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose - Per ChristianKl and ArthurPSmith. Husky (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment If there is an item for the feature and the version, it seems to make sense to add it this way round. --- Jura 11:40, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose ChristianKl❫ 22:21, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

depicted withoutEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionimage illustrates the absence of this object. Only use with values that are present in similar images or that could have be assumed as present. Compare with "depicts" (P180), "does not have part" (P3113)
Data typeItem
DomainCommonsMedia
Allowed unitsn/a
Example 1File:Tower of Pisa Italy detail top.jpgDal Pozzo (Q95982109)
Example 2File:Unidentified roses with sign 'Astrid Lindgren'.jpgRosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433)
Example 3File:Times Square - 49874280633.jpgcrowd (Q13430821)
Example 10
See also
depicts (P180)?
has parts of the class (P2670)does not have part (P3113)
has quality (P1552)does not have quality (P6477)
including (P1012)excluding (P1011)
has cause (P828)does not have cause
has effect (P1542)does not have effect (P7167)

MotivationEdit

Commons uses depicts (P180) to describe what's visible in an image. Some images are suitable to illustrate elements that can be expected there, but aren't. Obviously not any value should be used with this property. Generally, there would be another image with that element visible. For the first sample this would be File:T de Pisa, Pisa, Italia, 2019 01.jpg.

Given that does not have part (P3113) is meant for has parts of the class (P2670) or has part (P527), I think we lack a suitable property.

Please add more samples. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Oppose - I don't understand this proposal. I think you need some more samples, because for now 'depicted without' could be filled with any random item. Husky (talk) 22:26, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
  • @Husky: the description attempts to capture that possible risk. I agree that more samples are needed before proceeding. I will added some as I come across. Maybe COVID emptied streets that are generally full of people? --- Jura 07:28, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
@Jura1: - Okay, now i understand a bit more what you're trying to do with this property (with the COVID example). It would basically be a way to model something like 'empty street' (street depicted without people). I still feel this would be overly complicated, if i want to model an empty street i could simply say: 'depicts empty + street', or perhaps 'depicts street --> qualifier: excluding people'. Husky (talk) 13:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
So why would this picture have the 'depicted without Rosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433)' property? Husky (talk) 20:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
The sign used there "Astrid Lindgern" usually implies that the rose next to it is Rosa 'Astrid Lindgren' (Q4048433). --- Jura 12:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Okay, i kind of get the usecase now, but this property would still be far too ambiguous in my opinion. Should all the pictures of Stan Laurel (Q72869) get a 'depicted without' Oliver Hardy (Q72911) if he's not in the picture? For pictures that might be ambiguous, like the roses you mentioned, i think we can do fine with just captions and/or descriptions on the file page. Trying to model this using Wikidata properties would be both overkill and very hard to explain to people. Husky (talk) 14:46, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment File:Times Square - 49874280633.jpg could be a nice sample too. We should be able to find a picture "with" at a comparable time (8:29 am). --- Jura 12:06, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment This looks like computing. I haven't understood, why we need "negative" statement. BTW, the first image of Pisa Tower includes the bell also. --Juandev (talk) 08:44, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
  Oppose I do not get it. --Jarekt (talk) 02:39, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jarekt: I re-wrote the description. Is there some aspect that I should clarify further? --- Jura 06:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
I guess I understand it now but I am still not sure if it makes sense, for absence of an object to be noticeable I would have to have expectation for the object to be there. If a file is named "Portrait of President Obama" but he is not in the photo than it is a problem with a file name that should be corrected, but without a clue based on the filename I do not have expectation to see him in the image. I can not think of any useful queries one would do with this property. --Jarekt (talk) 18:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
@Jarekt: how about the rose or the noticable absence at Times Square? It might take some time till we get a decent series or images, but one could make it into a "what's missing" quiz. For items in general, we have the comparable does not have part (P3113). --- Jura 14:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
I just can not imagine many uses for this property and if we create it, I am agfraid we will have couple proper uses and a whole lot of incorrect uses by people that do not understand it. --Jarekt (talk) 03:52, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment I completed the gallery of samples with comparison images. --- Jura 20:43, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

web interface softwareEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionthe software that generates the web interface
RepresentsWeb user interface (Q1981057)
Data typeItem
Domainas qualifier on URLs, as statement on websites
Allowed valuesinstances of software (Q7397) or forge (Q3077240)
Example 1https://invent.kde.org/office/kexiGitLab (Q16639197)
Example 2https://anongit.kde.org/kexi.gitno value Help
Example 3git://github.com/KDE/kexi.gitno value Help
Example 4https://www.kuketz-blog.de/WordPress (Q13166)
Example 5https://bbs.archlinux.org/FluxBB (Q1469163)
Example 6https://bugzilla.mozilla.orgBugzilla (Q55671)
Planned useGo trough source code repository (P1324) / protocol (P2700) HTTP(S) statements and replace with “web interface software” or version control system (P8423) where appropriate.
Robot and gadget jobsOne could add "web interface software" → GitHub (Q364) to all source code repository (P1324) https://github.com statements if desired.
See alsosoftware engine (P408)

MotivationEdit

The main motivation is to differentiate source code repositories with a web interfaces from repos without a web interface (see example 1, 2, and 3). It is also not unusual that a repo is mirrored so that one can pick an interface based on one’s preference.

“Why not use software engine (P408) instead?” The Wikidata description for software engine (Q2622299) is “central part of a computer program”. Web pages, however, are usually not computer programs and the software that generated the web interface might not be part of the web interface, see static site generator (Q77916592). In Wikidata:Property_proposal/version_control_system User:Waldyrious wrote that “software engine (P408) is too broad for this, so I agree with your suggestion to use a new property.”

Aliases: forge, repository service, bug tracking software/system, blog software, site generator, (internet) forum software, powered by —Dexxor (talk) 15:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Dachary
Metamorforme42
NMaia
Valerio Bozzolan
MichaelSchoenitzer
Jasc PL
LiberatorG
Dexxor
Waldyrious
Iwan.Aucamp
Airon90
  Notified participants of WikiProject Informatics/FLOSS

Looking forward to read your thoughts! --Waldyrious (talk) 16:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
  1. No, if we want to link this property to an item, we probably need to create a new item.
  2. I agree that “web interface software” sounds odd for blogs and websites. But “web hosting service” is certainly not the solution (from en:web hosting service: “Web hosts are companies that provide space on a server”). How about “website generator”?
  3. No, possible values for operator (P137) and publisher (P123) are person or organization. If we really want to avoid creating a new property, we should expand the scope of software engine (P408) for websites. —Dexxor (talk) 17:59, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
  1. Can you expand a bit on how exactly the new "web interface software" property would be different from Web user interface (Q1981057)? The distinction is not very clear to me.
  2. "Website generator" seems much more specific about the toolset used to produce the final web assets served as the website — along the lines of static site generator (Q77916592) or web framework (Q1330336). I was thinking more about something reflecting a web hosting service (Q5892272). For example, a website hosted on GitHub Pages (Q30324817) could have "web hosting service" = GitHub Pages (Q30324817) and "website generator" = Jekyll (Q17067385). (By the way, I'd say that the class of companies providing a service should be modeled as a distinct entity from the service itself, as an abstract concept; so I'd suggest creating a new item, e.g. "web hosting provider", distinct from web hosting service (Q5892272), for the meaning you're describing).
  3. I think software engine (P408) would be confusing as a website's platform — IMO it would be more appropriate to subsume the "website generator" suggestion you gave above.
Overall, I believe the main source of dissonance here is that I'm thinking about hosted services, like GitHub, whereas you're focusing on the tools themselves, and considering also self-hosting solutions. With this in mind, I can understand why it's more important to encode what the repository browsing software is, than the provider that hosts it (especially since the URL already provides that information). If you agree with this, then I would suggest making the new property ("web interface software") a subproperty of software engine (P408), and encoding the hosting provider using, e.g. operator (P137) GitHub Inc. (Q28771536) or publisher (P123) GitLab Inc. (Q55589254).  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Waldyrious (talk • contribs) at 20:16, 15 August 2020‎) (UTC).
I distinguish between a web interface and the software which generated the interface but some people don’t. I’m fine with web interface software subject item of this property (P1629) Web user interface (Q1981057) and subproperty of (P1647) software engine (P408).
You are spot-on when it comes to our dissonance. For modeling the hosting provider I suggest internet hosting service (Q1210425). This is a more general term that includes, among other things, web hosting service (Q5892272) (websites) and Git hosting service (version control). —Dexxor (talk) 13:41, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree with all of your suggestions. That would mean that, besides the "web interface software" property we're discussing here, we'd also request a new property associated with internet hosting service (Q1210425) for the hosting provider, right? --Waldyrious (talk) 10:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, internet hosting service would need to be a separate property. If you propose it, I would like to know whether your motivation is “because we can” or something else. —Dexxor (talk) 07:25, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I believe it would be useful to model whether a web-browsable repository is provided on a self-hosted gitlab instance versus hosted on gitlab.com, for example. But it's not something I feel too strongly about. --Waldyrious (talk) 14:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

nationality (cultural identity)Edit

MotivationEdit

This property would be a subproperty of ethnic group (Q41710) meant to indicate a person's nationality based on their shared cultural identity with a group of people from a particular nation. This property would allow us to describe a person's nationality independent of their legal status as an official citizen of a country as in country of citizenship (P27). It would also allow more clarity and specificity than just using ethnic group (Q41710), which is typically associated with race, language, and religion. Qono (talk) 20:17, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

person country of citizenship (P27) ethnic group (P172) Qono's proposal comment
Mahatma Gandhi (Q1001) British India (Q129286), Dominion of India (Q1775277) Gujarati people (Q1282294) Indians (Q862086)
Albrecht Dürer (Q5580) Duchy of Bavaria (Q47261) maybe Germans (Q42884)? Germans (Q42884)
Adolf Hitler (Q352) Austria-Hungary (Q28513) to Nazi Germany (Q7318) Austrians (Q237534), Germans (Q42884) Germans (Q42884)
Václav Havel (Q36233) Czechoslovakia (Q33946), Czech Republic (Q213) Czechs (Q170217) Czechs (Q170217)
Robert John Pryse (Q20890211) United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (Q174193) maybe Welsh people (Q188353)? Welsh people (Q188353)
Barack Obama (Q76) United States of America (Q30) African Americans (Q49085) etc. Americans (Q846570)
Sepé Tiaraju (Q949500) Brazil (Q155) maybe Guaraní people (Q46429)?
Solomiia Krushelnytska (Q267058) Austria-Hungary (Q28513), Soviet Union (Q15180) maybe Ukrainians (Q44806)?
Nikita Khrushchev (Q35314) Russian Empire (Q34266), Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic (1918-1923) (Q2305208), Soviet Union (Q15180) Russians (Q49542), Ukrainians (Q44806)
  • Question: could adding a something like regarded as national... in ... (cfr. Adam Mickiewicz) be an option? Lotje (talk) 06:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose, per previous discussion. --Yair rand (talk) 18:53, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
    • @Yair rand: Per what part of the previous discussion? Could you be more specific about why you oppose this proposal? Qono (talk) 22:14, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Strong support Many sources (encyclopedias, ULAN, Wikipedia articles, etc.) list "nationality" of the people. For example Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) is usually described as "Polish poet", or "nationality: Polish" see [3][4][5][6][7][8] despite of the fact that he was born in Lithuania Governorate (today's Belarus) in Polish-Lithuanian family, lived in Russian Empire and France and died in Constantinople. During his live-time there was no Polish state. Currently we can not store information about his nationality, which is listed in many sources without getting it mixed with country of citizenship (P27) or ethnic group (P172), which in his case are different. After Wikidata:Property proposal/Nationality the consensus seem to be to store nationality in country of citizenship (P27) property which leads to a nonsense statement that Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) country of citizenship (P27) is Poland (Q36), which did not exist at the time. I think mixing those two separate concepts under the same property made country of citizenship (P27) much less useful. It is time to fix this. --Jarekt (talk) 03:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    That's not accurate. There is not consensus for using P27 for anything other than contemporaneous countries.
    Citizenship is citizenship, ethnicity is ethnicity, nationality is an extraordinarily ambiguous concept filled with extreme controversy at every turn. --Yair rand (talk) 04:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    Ethnicity is just as potentially ambiguous and fraught as nationality, yet we still have a way to record that in ethnic group (P172). And at least there are clear, authoritative sources for nationality (like Union List of Artist Names (Q2494649)). The lack of understanding (in this discussion alone) on whether this sense of nationality should be recorded in country of citizenship (P27) or ethnic group (P172) seems to indicate that we have a problem that this new property might solve. Qono (talk) 05:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    Ethnicity is not nearly as fraught as nationality; see previous discussions.
    Nationalities which are synonymous with ethnicities should be recorded with ethnicity, and nationalities which are synonymous with citizenship should be recorded with citizenship, nationalities indicating just one's place of birth or residence should be recorded with place of birth or residence, nationalities which are synonymous with religion should be recorded with religion.
    Also, ULAN is probably not a source one would want to use for this, given that in ULAN ""nationality" is shorthand for nationality/ethnicity/culture/religion/sexual orientation", and includes values such as "Protestant", "Sufi", and "Buddhist", and freely mixes particular states and dynasties and ethnic nationalities. --Yair rand (talk) 06:34, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    Yair rand great many sources describe people in one sentence using their nationality and occupation: "Polish poet", "French queen", "Russian photographer", etc. It is often first sentence of Wikipedia article and label used on Wikidata. See examples of sources I found for Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822) above. We should capture it somehow in structured data and in great many cases stuffing it into citizenship or ethnicity properties as was the decision of Wikidata:Property proposal/Nationality discussion, lead to a mess, like you see in case of Adam Mickiewicz (Q79822). --Jarekt (talk) 12:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    @Yair rand: The problem is that reliable sources state nationality without specifying what it is based on. If several reliable sources say simply "Beethoven is German"—not "Beethoven was born in Germany", "Beethoven had a German citizenship", etc.—where in Wikidata should that be recorded? Qono (talk) 23:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: I think something along these lines may be useful but am worried about the term "nationality" which tends to have quite different connotations in Britain and the United States. For Brits, it is equivalent to what the Americans call citizenship while in the U.S. it is frequently understood as the country of origin of the individual or even his family. For example, it is not unusual for an American to say his nationality is Irish if his parents come from Ireland, even if he was born in the U.S. I think on a multilingual basis, nationality is liable to be widely misused and misunderstood. Perhaps something like "associated nationality" would be more widely understood and cause fewer problems.--Ipigott (talk) 07:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I am following an invitation from the article Nationality where we had a recent discussion about what the lead of nationality should focus on. We have arrived at nationality that it means in international law member of a state. With that we could clearer differentiate betwenn nationality as ethnicity and as national identity, as well as the legal distinction between nationality as member of a state VS citizenship (which are in some countries and on principle not the same). I do not quite understand the discussion here about "country of citizenship" if it is understood as nationality in the sense of international law/"member of a state", because that would be for me misleading since you dont need citizenship to be a national (as in international law), see the example of American Samoa. Also "nationality (cultural identity)" doesnt make sense to me because for nationality a cultural identity is a very specific type of nationality based on culture, as in Austria being a "culture nation" (which is not a legal concept in Austria, as much as nationality is not, nationality in general is only again in the sense of international law, but for that a german word akin "member of state" is used and not the german Nationalität).
That said if you try to introduce a way to seperate nationality as national identity, from as legal international term, as well from ethnicity, be my guest, but it would need very good clarification. The easiest in my opinion is to have maybe seperate items such as "Nationality (international law)", "Nationality (national identity)" and "Nationality (ethnicity)", but the latter being very similar to and could be just dealt by ethnicity.
But the differentiation at the current article Nationality is still very under work (even if less under discussion), so I dont know if there should be more differentiation at the article before any seperating out can be attempted. But on the other hand it might help facilitate that, but at the same time it might be another pitfall in the long history of "nationality".
As far as I understand the discussion here it is all about the possibility to clearly categorize (mostly historic) persons. As an Austrian, Hitler is an obvious example for me: he is above listed as "country of citizenship" to be Austrian-Hungarian and Third Reich (I dont know how long/if he was national/citizen -the same in Austrian law- of the Republic of Austria as well), my critique here again is this item should be called in that sense "state membership". "Ethnic group" is somewhat clear, but the third category tries in my opinion to seperate out "ethnic group" between ethnicity and national identity or in german "volk". So Volk is this much discussed german term. In German law Volk is a legal term for individuals in the sense of membership to a Volk (Volkszugehörigkeit). In other words Volk is a term of national identity, its a way to identify people who are members of different states, but share national identity, as with Germans in western Poland. But for example people from german Switzerland do not share a national identity with Germans, even if the ethnicity is German. The same goes for Hitler (even if he wanted to change the following), he was an ethnic German (as most Austrians are), but he was member of the Austrian Volk in the sense of national identity (this he wanted to change with creating only one racial/ethnic nationalist german nation and national identity). That said Austrian national identity (Volk) is mostly a product from post WWI and WWII, because before that it was not a nation state but a part of a multi-national monarchy defining it self as a splinter german state/nation (Deutsch-Österreich) within the federated austrian-hungarian monarchy. So national identity has very much to do with the claim of a nation state, opposed to ethnicity. Long text short for your purposes I would keep "Ethnic group" (enter here for Hitler: German) and have one that is "National Identity" (enter here for Hitler: Austrian/German).
Well I hope I could give some more texture to the issue. PS: if you talk abou Beethoven, Mozart is another example of heatedly discussed person and his nationality (in short: state membership = Salzburg/=/Holy Roman Empire; ethnicity = German; national identity = German (and retrospective Austrian, since he is part of Austrians development as a regional body (today state), but thats the difficult part and cause for discussion, because its retrospective).
I have to add that I am new on Wikidata and do not really know the difference between items here and articles on Wikipedia.Nsae Comp (talk) 07:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose, per previous discussion. Also some of the issues raised above are not nearly as clear-cut as the table wants to indicate. Obama may identify as "African American" - but he's of mixed ancestry. There are many people who are of mixed ancestry and either wants to celebrate that mix, or want to deny a portion of it. How does this property help that? Or does it create more confusion and obfuscation? - Kosboot (talk) 14:33, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    • Kosboot, "African American" would be reported as his 'race' or 'ethnicity' or 'ancestry', but not his 'national identity'. (It can't be, because there is no "Africa America" in our list of nations.) I think it's safe to say that the national identity of every US president was "American". w:en:Josephine Baker was born an African American, but her national identity was French later in life. National identity is about your internal "emotional" identification with a country. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
    • @Kosboot: This proposed property is not meant to refer to one's ancestry, but rather the national cultural context that a person was primarily influenced by. Qono (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
      • @Qono: So the way to test the validity of the proposed property is to find individuals for whom this property would be ambiguous. I think someone mentioned Beethoven who was born in Germany but spent most of his life in Vienna. Or Gertrude Stein who spent the majority of her life in Paris. Or Josephine Baker who even became a naturalized French citizen yet still participated in activist activities in the U.S. And think of the host of people who were forced out of their countries and lived somewhere else, perhaps naturalizing, but still engaged with their original country. - Kosboot (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
        • @Kosboot: I think that the answer in all of these cases is to simply record the nationality as stated by reliable sources. The Encyclopedia Britannica says Beethoven is German, as does ULAN, RKD, and Grove Music Online. If another reliable source said he was Austrian, so be it: that should be recorded as well. I think this is where the arguments against don't make sense to me. It's not up to me or any editor to decide what nationality a person is, but just to record what reliable sources state about a person's nationality. As it right now, this is hard to do on Wikidata. Qono (talk) 22:54, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
          • @Qono: I think that's exactly what NOT to do - particularly recognizing all the criticisms that have been leveled at Wikipedia that it perpetuates racism or even less controversial issues by merely repeating them. No, no, no. What should be instead are identifiers for places that the person (or organization) lived, and identifiers for where the person had citizenship if that is known. Thus I strongly and vehemently oppose. - Kosboot (talk) 23:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
            • @Kosboot: Much respect for being on the lookout for systemic bias. This is beyond the scope of this proposal, but I would address the issue at the source level as Wikipedia does, not the property level. That is, if a source is deemed biased by the community, it shouldn't be used or it should be flagged somehow. Banning any property that merely has the potential to be described by biased sources is too broad a restriction, I think. Qono (talk) 23:33, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I   Support having a property for this idea, but I think it should be called national identity. As an example, how do you accurately describe a person who was illegally immigrated into the United States from northern Mexico as a young child? The parents are Mexican (Mexican citizenship, Mexican legal nationality, Mexican mestizo ethnicity). The child has Mexican citizenship, Mexican legal nationality, and was raised to believe that s/he had been born in America and encouraged to self-identify as belonging to the US. This is not an unusual situation, and I don't think that the current set of properties allow us to correctly record this situation. In another example, there are many EU citizens who change their legal citizenship and legal nationality without changing their internal sense of identity. Those should be recorded as "citizenship: Romania (1970–2010), Germany (2010–present), ethnicity: Roma; national identity: Romanian" whenever there are sources to support each of those items. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I support both distinguishing "country of long-term residence and notability" from "country of legal citizenship" and using the former category for all instances where we are assuming a nationality based on residence but with no sourcing for birth citizenship or naturalization. I think far too many of the Wikidata claims of citizenship are under-sourced and that this would provide a way out of that. I do not support using a property like this for, say, people who have lived in the US their entire lives but have an Italian grandmother and think that because of that they should be counted as Italian. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
    • @David Eppstein: I wouldn't support that use of the property either. This isn't about whether or not somebody "feels" Italian, in your example, but whether or not reliable sources consider them Italian based on their life circumstances, which is usually another way of saying "country of long-term residence and notability". Qono (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose, or weak support if this new thing would be called as national identity, since nationality - especially in the modern times - is identical with citizenship, as well legally. Btw. on the table above, there are more mistakes, Austro-Hungarian citizenship never existed, the subject was Austrian or Hungarian, exlusively. Hitler has been an Austrian citizen before gathering German citizenship, so his parameter has to be changed to Cisleithania similarly like the case of Solomiya Krushelnytska, who was also an Austrian citizen. Moreover Hitler is erroneously put on the Austrian ethnic group, since such ethnicity did not exist then, Austrian national conscience has been built and only came to existence after 1945, so this has to be removed.(KIENGIR (talk) 08:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC))
    • @KIENGIR: Are you saying that the parenthetical qualifier of (cultural identity) is not enough to differentiate from plain 'ole nationality? Qono (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Well, not necessarily, given the high number of non-average cases.(KIENGIR (talk) 22:47, 22 July 2020 (UTC))
  •   Weak oppose Nationality is a very propagandistic concept. After new states are formed people go and rewrite history so that hundreds of thousands of dead people suddenly have a different nationality. The prospect of edit-wars about whether thousands of Catalan individuals should have nationality:catalan have the potential for a lot of drama on Wikidata. This discussion completely ignores those concerns and how they would be resolved. ChristianKl❫ 13:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
    • @ChristianKl: I believe these concerns would be resolved by requiring instances of the statement be supported by reliable sources. Qono (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
      • @Qono: Currently, in this proposal there is no effort made to talk about what a source would have to say to be a source. If "John Smith was an American diplomat" counts you might think that "John Smith was a Texan diplomat" would count as well if someone starts to argue for Texan independence and Texas being a nation. ChristianKl❫ 17:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
        • I assume that the sources would be equivalent to other forms of non-obvious personal self-identification, such as sexual orientation or religion. I expect that we would accept something like a news article that says “I feel American in every single way,” [Leezia Dhalla said.] and reject, say, blogs making claims about another person's beliefs. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
          • @WhatamIdoing: So if someone says "I feel Texan in every single way" they are of Texan nationality? "I feel Berliner in every single way" would mean that Berlin is my nationality? ChristianKl❫ 11:26, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose. This seems like the property-version of that most annoying of questions some people have to endure: “Yes, but where are you really from?” This discussion offers plenty of evidence against this idea, such as various attempts to define some platonic "Germanness" in Hitler, of all people, with a suprising lack of explicit awareness of why that is a particularly bad idea. Then, we already see the first instances of this being used to declare some to be second-rate citizens because they "change [...] citizenship [..] without changing their internal sense of identity", which is a political talking point popular with those obsessed with drawing neat lines between themselves and others, but liable to fall back to crude stereotypes such as an equivalence between Romania (country) and Roma (people). Let's stop this before we get to measuring skulls and the recessive inheritance of Canadianess. Matthias Winkelmann (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
    • @Matthias Winkelmann: I don't understand how this would be used to declare some to be "second-rate citizens". If there are reliable sources that state a person's nationality based on their life and the cultures in which they lived (and not purely their country of citizenship), how is it problematic to record the assertion of those sources? My understanding is that property declarations aren't Wikidata saying "X is true about this person", just that "This source says that X is true about this person". What is the issue there? Qono (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
      • Matthias Winkelmann, as the person who gave the example of the Roma people, I want to say that I chose it specifically because being ethnically Roma is not equivalent to being Romanian. I had assumed that would be obvious to every educated person, so I thought it was unnecessary to tell people what they (and you) already knew. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:31, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Strongest possible oppose Seriously, women were not legally allowed to be citizens throughout most of history. Married women in particular, which most women were, were defined as a single legal entity with their spouse. So if you were born in x country and you married someone from y country, you automatically were no longer xian, but now yian, regardless of whether you could speak that language, practiced any of those customs, or identified as yian, or whether you lived in y country (ever). This isn't ancient past, women in the US lost their citizenship upon marriage until 1922. If they lost it prior to that time, getting it back required an oath of allegiance or court order. Women in Ireland did not have citizenship in their own right until 1935, Canada 1945, Britain 1948, El Salvador and Norway 1950. The Convention on the Nationality of Married Women was not passed by the UN and its signatories until 1957. Women's history is already obscured by lack of academic study and preservation of sources, but we certainly don't need to add to the problem of uncovering women's histories by labeling them with nationality. And, further, how would one go about doing that? It isn't as if it was published or widely available data that Jane Doe married and lost her citizenship. Most sources simply settle for indicating where she was born, regardless of her legal status. SusunW (talk) 23:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
  •   Oppose. This would make sense where ethnic group is highly formalised, for example in African political biographies. However, I can forsee the most obvious uses being in ethnonationalist "claims" to particular historical figures with dubious sourcing. There's also the vagueness problem: is Adolf Hitler to be listed as German or Austrian? And does it matter to the average reader? Brigade Piron (talk) 09:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support, it makes sense in Czech language and history - 120 years ago there were many people which were all citizens of Austria-Hungaria, but some of them were Germans, some Czechs, some identified as Moravian. But word ethnicity is not good for this, ethnicity sounds like something which can be distinguished on (first) look - gypsiesromani, jews, black, arabic, southern-european... JAn Dudík (talk) 08:16, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
    • @JAn Dudík: Using racist slang like gypsies while arguing we need more nationalism on Wikidata, doesn't really motivate me to be in favor of nationalism. Can you explain what makes a Austrian-Hungarian to be of German or Czech nationality and define the concept better? Why aren't Romani their own nationality? They have their own language. ChristianKl❫ 11:21, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
      • @ChristianK:, It was not meant in racist way - I used the word i know. They have own language, but not all of them knows and uses it.
      • Austria-Hungary was big, I speak only about Czech part - some of them identified like Czechs (even if they speak german) and some like Germans "({Q|Q16102016}}" - according language. They all together were Austrian. But there was big natinal movement in late 19th and early 20th century and Czechs wanted to identify like Czechs - but this was not ethnicity, and not only by language.
      • Karel Klostermann (Q84648) identified himself as Czech even if some (minority) of his works were written in german and was german origin ("ethnicity").
      • eg. Jan Neruda (Q156321) was Czech writer, citizen of Bohemia, part of A-HG.
      • Sigmund Freud (Q9215) was by ethnicity Jew, by nationality is sometimes written as Austrian.
      • Franz Kafka (Q905) was by ethnicity Jew. By language German, byl nationality maybe german, maybe czech (according to source).
      • JAn Dudík (talk) 12:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
        • A key question to be answered is what makes a minority that has it's own language a nationality. Whether Romani, Basque, Catalan or Uyghurs what decides whether they are nationalities? It seems to me like there a lot of motivation for rewriting the status of thousands of dead people for political ends to argue for groups like that being recognized as nationalities.
As far as Franz Kafka (Q905), EnWiki avoids saying anything about his nationality. DeWiki seems to see him as German. He seems to me like exactly the kind of person where things get complicated. For him in particular you likely have enough sources to still have good statements but there are plenty of people with a lot less sourcing. ChristianKl❫ 15:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
    • « 120 years ago there were many people which were all citizens of Austria-Hungaria, but some of them were Germans, some Czechs, some identified as Moravian. But word ethnicity is not good for this » →‎ Why? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:33, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

  Oppose Because I don't think anyone has given yet a convincing explanation of the difference between "nationality" and "ethnic group". I think the best is to add the aliases "nationality", "national identity", "ethnicity" to "ethnic group". --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:07, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Sculptures and cities database ID for sculptorsEdit

   On hold
Descriptionidentifier for sculptors in the Sculptures and cities database
RepresentsSochy a města (Q97941212)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter1 in cs:Šablona:Sochy a města osoba
Domainsculptor (Q1281618)
Example 1Miloš Hruška (Q95448049)Miloš Hruška (1924-1997)
Example 2Viktor Stribrny (Q77561200)Viktor Stříbrný (*1943)
Example 3Ladislav Novák (Q64173663)Ladislav Novák (1908–1994)
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttps://sochyamesta.cz/objekty?field_autor_tid=$1

MotivationEdit

Sculptures and sculptors in Czechia (Sochy a města ID osoby & Sochy a města ID sochy). --Zelenymuzik (talk) 08:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Tobias1984 Vojtěch Dostál YjM Wesalius Jklamo Walter Klosse Sintakso Matěj Suchánek JAn Dudík Skim Frettie Jura1913 Mormegil Jedudedek marv1N Sapfan Daniel Baránek Draceane Michal Josef Špaček (WMCZ)   Notified participants of WikiProject Czech Republic

  1.   Support Pamputt (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  2.   Support JAn Dudík (talk) 18:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
  3.   Support --Frettie (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
  4.   Question @Frettie, JAn Dudík, Zelenymuzik: Is this a stable identifier? What happens if the person in example 2 dies? Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 07:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I do not know?? I wrote a request for correction there. --Zelenymuzik (talk) 09:17, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

  On hold We agreed with Zelenymuzik that this proposed property might not be worth it if they're not able to supply some sort of a numeric identifier. In the meantime we could use described by source (P1343) Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 16:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

notation writerEdit

MotivationEdit

Franzsimon
Sweet kate
Galaktos
Sjoerddebruin
AmaryllisGardener
Kosboot
Shingyang-i
Daniele.Brundu
Airon90
Atallcostsky
LinardsLinardsLinards
Infovarius
Hannolans
Ptolusque
Gilrn
Smallison
Sight Contamination
Moebeus
Pigsonthewing
Mathieudu68
Harshrathod50
Buccalon
Tris T7
Olivettilly
Rhudson
Coloradohusky
CptViraj
SilentSpike
Sintakso
Trivialist
Indrajit Das
Monica Berger
Unuaiga
Lanzelotte
Premeditated
Wolverène
Pierre André Leclercq
Ivanhercaz
CrystallineLeMonde
VisbyStar
Wikizummo
Mathieu Kappler
Mccoyle55
categerhart
Shisma
Lectrician1
  Notified participants of WikiProject Music

This property will help describe the person(s) who creates the musical notation of a song. Bodhisattwa (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Support   Comment I think it's better to change from song to musical composition or even musical work to make this apply to all music, not just music with lyrics. Apart from that, I think this can be useful. Moebeus (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

@Moebeus:- done -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 21:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

record numberEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionnumber or string identifying a record, document or certificate (e.g. birth certificate or death certificate) that is visible on the record
Data typeString
Domainreference, possibly on Commmons, also on items for documents
Example 1File:John F. Kennedy's Certificate of Birth - NARA - 192705.tif → 656
Example 2File:Reagan Ronald BS (cropped).jpg → 9756
Example 3birth certificate of Barack Obama (Q14527788) → 151 61 10641
Example 4File:John Francis Fitzgerald Record of Birth - NARA - 192707.tif → 419582
Named "copy of record of birth". Note Year 1863, Vol. 161, Page 14, No. 587 also included.
Example 5File:LeBaron Hart Lindauer (1878-1945) birth certificate.gif → 419582
Planned useadd to references, based on c:Category:Birth certificates of the United States
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See also

MotivationEdit

Above lists a few alternative properties, but none seem really satisfactory. For date of birth (P569) of Kamala Harris (Q10853588), I found "State File Number 64-295984, Local Registration District and Certificate Number 6015 15318". Maybe the entire string could go in this property. One could obviously try to distinguish further: the entry in the registry, the certificate based on that entry, etc. (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 10:39, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • Comment Ideally this would have a mandatory qualifier, otherwise it's not useful information, just arbitrary noise, like an accession number without a collection. "656" or "151 61 10641" mean nothing in isolation. -Animalparty (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
    • It's similar to some of the others listed in "see also" above or page(s) (P304): depending on how it's used (in references, as main statement, on Commons files), some additional information needs to be added with other properties. This can be qualifier, but could also be an additional reference property or another property used as main statement. --- Jura 13:42, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
  • '  Support in particular for references. See discussion on civil registry --2le2im-bdc (talk) 20:21, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 21:33, 22 February 2021 (UTC).

analog television standardEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionqualifier on PlayStation DataCenter URL (P7707) to describe the analog television standard of this release. Can also be used with other identifiers that lists this value.
RepresentsNTSC analog television standard (Q99602118)
Data typeItem
Domainvideo game (Q7889)
Allowed valuesPAL (Q105973)NTSC-J (Q6955505) (Japan) / NTSC-U (Q99601936) (United States) / NTSC-C (Q6955502) (China)
Example 1
Example 2
Example 3MISSING

Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on this subject so this proposal might contain errors.--Trade (talk) 08:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Máté:, are these values correct? --Trade (talk) 09:13, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
The website only seems to cover NTSC-U, NTSC-J, and PAL. This in a roundabout way makes your list both incomplete and superfluous :). There are three main standards PAL, NTSC, and SECAM, and they are not subsets of one another (i.e. the subject item is not right). They all have, however, numerous variants. However, the website uses it to identify region. This might mean that instead of a new property you may use something like valid in place (P3005) with items for the regions where these standards are used. Máté (talk) 17:38, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
How would  you make the list less incomplete?--Trade (talk) 18:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
This popped back in my head as I was reading the latest Video Game Metadata Schema 4.1 (Q100158934) (which has a “region code” entry). I think (but I might be wrong!) that what we mostly care about is in the context of publication − “This game was released in PAL territories in 1999” − so Máté’s proposal to use valid in place (P3005) (or maybe place of publication (P291) ?) with Qitems such as PAL region (Q2729044) might make more sense? Jean-Fred (talk) 09:55, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
  • It's unclear to me what an analog television standard happens to be and the description doesn't tell me. ChristianKl❫ 00:01, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Wangfang article IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionID of an article in Wanfang, one of the Chinese DOI provider
Representsno label (Q12903886)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed units(periodical|thesis|conference|patent|nstr|cstad|standard|claw)/[A-Za-z0-9 -.]+
Example 1A NEW SPECIES OF CYCLOPHORIDAE FROM GUIZHOU PROVINCE, CHINA (PROSOBRANCHIA, MESOGASTROPODA, CYCLOPHORIDAE) (Q98837082)periodical/dwfl200501013
Example 2Q100322994periodical/zhlxbx200402002
Example 3Q47261693periodical/nmgshkx201405008
Number of IDs in source285315804; 134979348 for periodical journal articles only
Formatter URLhttp://d.wanfangdata.com.cn/$1

MotivationEdit

(Add your motivation for this property here.) GZWDer (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

DzygaMDB film IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a film at the movie database DzygaMDB.com
RepresentsDzygaMDB (Q96747621)
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameteruk:Шаблон:DzygaMDB фільм
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Example 1Mr Jones (movie) (Q30963297)1
Example 2The Rising Hawk (Q47400775)32
Example 3Kozaky. Absolyutno brekhlyva istoriya (Q97278396)2129
Sourcehttps://dzygamdb.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://dzygamdb.com/uk/site/films-single?id=$1
See alsoKino-teatr.ua film ID (P5311)

MotivationEdit

DzygaMDB is the most complete database in Ukraine on film, TV, video projects, as well as professionals working in the field of video production. LeonNef (talk) 16:10, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

ValterVB LydiaPintscher Ermanon Cbrown1023 Discoveranjali Mushroom Queryzo Danrok Rogi Mbch331 Jura Jobu0101 Jklamo Jon Harald Søby putnik ohmyerica AmaryllisGardener FShbib Andreasmperu Li Song Tiot Harshrathod50 U+1F350 Bodhisattwa Shisma Wolverène Tris T7 Antoine2711 Hrk6626 TheFireBender V!v£ l@ Rosière WatchMeWiki! CptViraj ʂɤɲ Trivialist Franzsimon 2le2im-bdc Sotiale Wallacegromit1, mostly focus on media historiography and works from the Global South Floyd-out M2k~dewiki Rockpeterson Mathieu Kappler Sidohayder   Notified participants of WikiProject Movies --- Jura 07:34, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Evil Angel movie IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a pornographic movie in the Evil Angel movie database
RepresentsEvil Angel movie database (Q104166383)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424)
ExampleNSFW:
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttps://www.evilangel.com/en/movie/$1
Motivation

This new Wikidata property related to erotica or pornography (Q53671196) would enhance our coverage of pornographic film (Q185529). Evil Angel (Q1281891) is one of the biggest companies of the industry, and its database has more detailed information than Internet Adult Film Database (Q1052713) and Adult Film Database (Q732004) (e. g. exact release date, scene list for every movie). See also: WD:Property proposal/Evil Angel video ID. — Mathieu Kappler (talk) 17:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

Evil Angel video IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a pornographic video in the Evil Angel video database
RepresentsEvil Angel video database (Q104166407)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainvideo clip (Q677466)
ExampleNSFW:
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Formatter URLhttps://www.evilangel.com/en/video/$1
Motivation

This new Wikidata property related to erotica or pornography (Q53671196) would enhance our coverage of pornographic film (Q185529). Evil Angel (Q1281891) is one of the biggest companies of the industry, and its database has more detailed information than Internet Adult Film Database (Q1052713) and Adult Film Database (Q732004) (e. g. exact release date, scene list for every movie). See also : WD:Property proposal/Evil Angel movie ID. — Mathieu Kappler (talk) 17:48, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

  Oppose Contains very little information. --Trade (talk) 23:38, 13 December 2020 (UTC)

@Trade: The advantage is that it has entries about seperate scenes, which the big databases do not have. For many scenes it is the only reliable database that can provide us with release date, which movie it is included in and what it depicts. Regards, Mathieu Kappler (talk) 09:51, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
  Support--Trade (talk) 13:17, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

SVTplay IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionthis is an identifier at the SVTplay that is the brand used for the video on demand service offered by Sveriges Television
RepresentsSVT Play (Q3444523)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintelevision program (Q15416) we also hope SVT should start create more types of external identifiers we can connect Wikidtaa with
Example 1Q104180941video/13978128
Example 2Emil i Lönneberga (Q557990)emil-i-lonneberga
Example 3Banksy most wanted (Q104195912)video/28461981
Sourcehttps://www.svtplay.se/
Planned useas many as possible
Formatter URLhttps://www.svtplay.se/$1
See alsoSVT Open archive (P6817) as Swedish Television is closing down the site SVT Öppet Kanal and move it to SVT Play this property will be obsolete
Proposed bySalgo60 (talk) 22:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

MotivationEdit

Swedish Television is closing down the site SVT Öppet Kanal and move it to SVT play --> SVT Open archive (P6817) will be obsolete. This proposal is for an identifier at the "new" site SVT Play. See also T225394 and EntitySchema:E279- Salgo60 (talk) 22:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Support--So9q (talk) 14:43, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

  •   Comment If there is anything important for the property in the Phabricator ticket, it should be copied into the proposal so it is easy in the future to find everything that was relevant for the creation of the property. (If nothing is important, we can also remove the distracting link.) Ainali (talk) 15:14, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment I feel Wikidata has too much touch and go and linking tasks done and read what people we have spoken with etc. is what is needed to be a more mature network and a more stable community. Sorry if it distracts you... If you have better people to contact inside SVT please let us know... - Salgo60 (talk) 16:25, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

personality trait of fictional characterEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionparticular characteristic which applies to this fictional character
Representspersonality trait (Q2393196)
Data typeItem
Domainfictional character (Q95074)
Allowed valuespersonality trait (Q2393196)
Example 1Filby (Q70759950) > argumentativeness (Q70761814)
Example 2Makoto Naegi (Q22906680) > pacifist (Q104265981) (source)
Example 3Hanako Ikezawa (Q65478282) > shyness (Q913668) (source)
Example 4Natsuki (Q65040172) > arrogance (Q777939)
Example 5Scrooge McDuck (Q11937) > parsimony (Q7798136)
Example 6Jo March (Q27902552) > quick temper (Q84822313)
Sourcehttps://anidb.net/character, https://vndb.org/c/all, https://*.fandom.com
Planned useTo replace the use of has quality (P1552) on fictional characters
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See also
Wikidata projectWikiProject Narration, Wikiproject Fictional universes
Proposed byTrade (talk) 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

MotivationEdit

@Shisma, Arlo Barnes, Valentina.Anitnelav:

I don't believe that personality traits of fictional characters fits within the scope of has quality (P1552) hence why i am proposing a seperate property whose modeling can already by found on AniDB and VNDB. I'm planning to use it along with citation needed constraint (Q54554025) in order to keep items from being filled with bad data. Trade (talk) 13:27, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Valentina.Anitnelav Thierry Caro Shisma (talk) Arlo Barnes (talk) Tsaorin (talk) 16:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC) Nomen ad hoc   Notified participants of WikiProject Narration

TomT0m Valentina.Anitnelav Shisma (talk) ElanHR Arlo Barnes (talk) Maria zaos (talk) EEMIV (talk)   Notified participants of WikiProject Fictional universes

DiscussionEdit

  • Most of the people using it are politicians, philosophers and political activists. He's simply a character who's personality makes him aversive to violence, confrontations and conflict...I think we are gonna need some time to figure out the modeling and differentiation of personality traits and their (almost identical) counterparts. How do you feel about making shyness (Q913668) both an emotion and personality trait? Or should we split it up?--Trade (talk) 17:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I think we should split up shyness (Q913668). As to pacifism (Q58848) one could do the same (so we would have one item for the ideology and one for the personality trait). I don't think that tsundere (Q1047501) is a character trait. It is rather a character type, distinguished by its development. Currently it would fall into narrative role (P5800) but I become more and more sympathetic to the idea of an own property for character types. The character of Natsuki (Q65040172) as described here could be modelled like this:
narrative role (P5800) main character (Q12317360)
character type tsundere (Q1047501)
personality trait arrogance (Q777939) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Could you speak more as to why you believe 'has quality' is insufficient? I am amiable towards this proposal but I don't quite yet see what hole it fills. Also, for Makoto, would it be pacifist, or pacifism like the other examples? Arlo Barnes (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Because quality typically refereers to an inanimate product and using it to describe fictional characters comes off as being very stiff and awkard. Since you are not allowed to apply that on humans then it only makes sense to apply the same principle to fictional humans (and characters). Most uses of this property on fictional characters involves personality traits, hence why i made this dedicated proposal. --Trade (talk) 00:18, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support per additional explanation, and also as distinct from a probative 'character type'. Arlo Barnes (talk) 06:33, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment could we have "fictional" in the label? Otherwise this probably ends up on humans with all sorts of referencing issues. --- Jura 09:45, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
    • I'm sure that even with good labels and restraints we'll still see this being used for real people, and that might be a WD:BLP nightmare. NMaia (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
      • This property should be never used on humans - so we could just delete in an automated way. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 22:52, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
        • Decisions about what gets deleted in an automated way shouldn't be made in a discussion of one specific property. If we want constraints that lead to automatic deletions when they are violated, that needs it's own policy. ChristianKl❫ 20:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
      • How about "personality trait of fictional character" as label? --- Jura 08:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
  • How about "character archetype", instead? I feel like the "personality trait" (property labels are typically singular, not plural, even if likely used multiple times) would be too ambiguous/fuzzy. It is also very important that this kind of thing does not get used on real people. (Oppose "personality trait(s)" label.) --Yair rand (talk) 04:24, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I'm in favour of a "character type" property, but this should be only used for character types, not for personality traits. So this would be actually a different property. @Trade: I updated the property label and some of the examples: Is this ok with you? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:01, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Why did you changed example 2 and 3 back to their original? I thought you agreed with their personality traits having seperate items? --Trade (talk) 13:16, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
      • @Trade: Sorry, I messed up with example 2 (I changed it back). But I did not change example 3... Is their already a distinct item for the character trait? We may think about naming conventions for character traits (e.g. "pacifist" vs. "pacifism", "shy" vs. "shyness"). But this should be probably discussed somewhere else, along with some other modelling questions as you already suggested. -
Nonetheless i think an appropriate constraintment and property description about should be more than enough. If someone decides to ignore both and use it on humans that'll be the fault of them and not the name of property itself. --Trade (talk) 13:58, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
  • These two properties should complement each other, character type is not proposed in order to replace this (see my suggestion above). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:57, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment Looking at the history of Wikidata:property proposal/Narrative role is enlightening; many of the points of discussion in this proposal and the also-ongoing 'character type' proposal were addressed there two years ago (partly of course since some of the same people have been interested in how to use these various proposals). I think these properties (presuming the proposed ones pass, or if they do not then the ones that already have) should have a single dedicated place to discuss edge/corner cases between them and to elucidate proper and fruitful use; would the Narrative Wikiproject be the most likely candidate to host that? Arlo Barnes (talk) 00:47, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
    • Yes, I think that Wikiproject Narration would be the best place to host those discussions. This project should also oversee the use of related items and properties. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:40, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

AbandonSocios IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a video game or video game company on AbandonSocios
RepresentsAbandonsocios (Q72872763)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainGerman Grand Prix (Q7998), video game developer (Q210167)
Example 1Skipper & Skeeto: Tales from Paradise Park (Q58609390)Topi_y_Teo_en_el_Parque_Paraíso
Example 2Skipper & Skeeto: The Revenge of Mr. Shade (Q61721644)Topi_y_Teo_en_la_Venganza_de_Mister_Ruin
Example 3Sunes sportlov (Q98688609)Sunes_Sportlov
Sourcehttp://www.abandonsocios.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Juegos, http://www.abandonsocios.org/wiki/Categor%C3%ADa:Compa%C3%B1%C3%ADas
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source10,000+
Formatter URLhttp://www.abandonsocios.org/wiki/$1

MotivationEdit

Spanish MediaWiki encyclopedia mainly dedicated to older abandonware games. --Trade (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

short DOIEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionshort alias for DOI generated by the ShortDOI service from the DOI foundation
Representsdigital object identifier (Q25670) but we may have to make a new one, sorry all of that is still a bit new to me
Data typeexternal identifier (as in Property:P356)-invalid datatype (not in Module:i18n/datatype)
Template parameterShortDOI ? I don't believe it needs to be displayed on Wikidata.
Domainexact same as Property:P356
Allowed valuesSee Property:P356 with the 3 regexps, according to DOI Foundation we could use only the one that matches maximum values: (?i)10.\d{4,9}/[-._;()/:A-Z0-9]+
Allowed unitsnone
Example 110/aabbe
Example 2High-Resolution Structure of ClpC1-Rufomycin and Ligand Binding Studies Provide a Framework to Design and Optimize Anti-Tuberculosis Leads (Q93121951) : 10/ggcjcz
Example 3Paclitaxel-induced apoptosis in MCF-7 breast-cancer cells. (Q38559628) : 10/dv5fth
Example 4Can Invalid Bioactives Undermine Natural Product-Based Drug Discovery? (Q26778522) : 10/f8d4d7
Source[[9]] and [[10]] and [[11]]
Planned usematching publications for our project Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Natural_products
Number of IDs in sourceas many as DOIs, we are talking 230 millions on Wikidata as of 19 November 2020
Expected completenesseventually complete
Formatter URLhttps://doi.org/$1
Robot and gadget jobsYES
See alsoProperty:P356
Distinct values constraintYES
Wikidata projectWikidata:WikiProject_Source_MetaData

MotivationEdit

https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Source_MetaData#Adding_a_ShortDOI_property

I would like to propose adding a ShortDOI property. ShortDOI are used to provide shorter DOIs than things like that: 10.1002/(SICI)1097-0258(19980815/30)17:15/16<1661::AID-SIM968>3.0.CO;2-2

it gets translated to 10/aabbe

They are created by an official DOI API: http://shortdoi.org/

And can be used on https://doi.org interchangeably with DOIs on all their services and will always refer to what the original DOI points to.

I contacted the DOI foundation to make sure about the format as they didn't specify it clearly in their documentation. The proposed format is managing all the ones I've seen so far.

The other solution would be to have two statements with a DOI property, but we would see that as messier as we wouldn't know which one is the short doi unless using a qualifier.

Hope it makes sense.

@AdrianoRutz:@GrndStt:@Egon_Willighagen:

For the Wikidata:WikiProject_Chemistry/Natural_products project, Bjonnh (talk) 20:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  • What's the vlaue of having short DOI's in addition to the other dois? As far as the examples go please add the items where those values would be placed. ChristianKl❫ 21:48, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
    • Articles can be refered as both short DOI and normal DOIs, meaning we could be given short DOIs. Bjonnh (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
  • See Wikidata:Property proposal/WMF short URL, Wikidata:Property proposal/New York Times short URL, Wikidata:Property proposal/The Guardian article ID (and PFD of this property).--GZWDer (talk) 14:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Comment DOI is a costly redirect service. Do we really need to store several variations of it? --- Jura 15:20, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
    • What do you mean by costly? Bjonnh (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
      • It's non free redirect service. Citing the QID is preferable. --- Jura 15:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support Either a new property or just use DOI (P356) since the formatter is the same. Maybe with qualifier object has role (P3831) and a new item for "short DOI"? Either way it would be very useful to have these recorded in Wikidata for correlation for example with OpenRefine (the long DOI's can be hard to reconcile!) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:26, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
    • I talked to the DOI foundation yesterday, the format is expected to be the same as DOI (even if internally they only use letters and numbers for now). For them, it is treated as a DOI synonym. So maybe being able to have multiple DOI by article could work. Bjonnh (talk) 15:25, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
    • DOI (P356) is meant to be canonical so I will not support using this for short DOI.--GZWDer (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Literature.com book IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a book on Literature.com
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainbook (Q571)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Pride and Prejudice (Q170583)9
Example 2Peter Pan (Q270470)12
Example 3Murder on the Links (Q542293)140
Sourcehttps://www.literature.com/
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.literature.com/book/$1

Proposed by User:AntisocialRyan

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment Updated the examples to only have the numerical IDs − the rest is a slug that is not necessary. Jean-Fred (talk) 16:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

TikTok music IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for an audio track on TikTok
RepresentsTikTok (Q48938223)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsong (Q7366)
Example 1Billie Jean (Q193319)6748693359088418818
Example 2All I Want for Christmas Is You (Q653991)222454852260487168
Example 3Jingle Bell Rock (Q1756406)6895372307825707778
Sourcehttps://www.tiktok.com/
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.tiktok.com/music/-$1

MotivationEdit

AntisocialRyan (talk) 23:56, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support --Trade (talk) 16:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Are these links to particular videos, or are they to a page listing a variety of videos for a particular song? I'm not really familiar with TikTok... If particular videos then I don't think they are appropriate as external id's... ArthurPSmith (talk) 22:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
Links to all videos that uses a particular song @ArthurPSmith: --Trade (talk) 22:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
  Support. Could lead to a way to better show certain songs' popularity on TikTok, since the song page shows the (rough) total number of videos using that song, and the top videos could give some context on its popularity, e.g. association with a particular challenge/trend. --Btcprox (talk) 14:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

onscreen participantEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionan agent taking an active role as a participant onscreen in a nonfiction moving image work
Representsonscreen participant (Q104879379)
Data typeItem
Domainmoving image (Q10301427), non-fiction film (Q24960157), factual television (Q5428822)
Allowed valuesQ number
Example 1RBG (Q54829190) has onscreen participant Ruth Bader Ginsburg (Q11116)
Example 2RBG (Q54829190) has onscreen participant Nina Totenberg (Q7038136)
Example 3Shadow Girl (Q26911180) has onscreen participant Maria Teresa Larrain (Q26911182)
Example 4Burroughs: the Movie (Q16249038) has onscreen participant Allen Ginsberg (Q6711)
Example 5The Great Math Mystery (Q56604860) has onscreen participant Mario Livio (Q1898912)
Example 6Chasing the Moon (Q85751667) has onscreen participant Buzz Aldrin (Q2252)
Example 7Chasing the Moon (Q85751667) has onscreen participant Michael Collins (Q104859)
Example 8Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness (Q88306935) has onscreen participant Carole Baskin (Q88495947)
Example 9Tiger King: Murder, Mayhem and Madness (Q88306935) has onscreen participant Joe Exotic (Q83688347)
Example 10Grey Gardens (Q2104352) has onscreen participant Edith Bouvier Beale (Q535330)
Example 11Grey Gardens (Q2104352) has onscreen participant Edith Ewing Bouvier Beale (Q5338542)
Example 12Shut Up & Sing (Q2905624) has onscreen participant The Chicks (Q142636)
Example 13The Last Dance (Q85807688) has onscreen participant Chicago Bulls (Q128109)
Planned useWill add property to nonfiction moving image works as they are encountered; or will change existing property cast member (P161) used on many records to the onscreen participant property, because these people are not actors in a film or television program
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See alsocast member (P161), contributor to the creative work or subject (P767), participant (P710), talk show guest (P5030)

MotivationEdit

This proposal originated in a discussion on the Wikidata Telegram channel. There isn't an ideal property to indicate the onscreen participants in a nonfiction film or television program. These are not cast member, as they are not actors in a fictional work. Typically they are interviewees or commenters in documentaries and other nonfiction films and television programs. Having the specific property "onscreen participant" would enable an exact explanation of their role in relation to a moving image work. This property exists in RDA: see "has onscreen participant agent" (http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20279) and its subelements "has onscreen participant person" (http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20363), "has onscreen participant collective agent" (http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20422), "has onscreen participant corporate body" (http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20481), and "has onscreen participant family" (http://rdaregistry.info/Elements/e/P20540). UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 05:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

ValterVB LydiaPintscher Ermanon Cbrown1023 Discoveranjali Mushroom Queryzo Danrok Rogi Mbch331 Jura Jobu0101 Jklamo Jon Harald Søby putnik ohmyerica AmaryllisGardener FShbib Andreasmperu Li Song Tiot Harshrathod50 U+1F350 Bodhisattwa Shisma Wolverène Tris T7 Antoine2711 Hrk6626 TheFireBender V!v£ l@ Rosière WatchMeWiki! CptViraj ʂɤɲ Trivialist Franzsimon 2le2im-bdc Sotiale Wallacegromit1, mostly focus on media historiography and works from the Global South Floyd-out M2k~dewiki Rockpeterson Mathieu Kappler Sidohayder   Notified participants of WikiProject Movies --- Jura 19:38, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

  •   Support This will be a useful property. --Crystal Clements, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support This seems like it would be useful for differentiating people in news reports, video footage, etc. from actors playing a part. 21:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support--2le2im-bdc (talk) 13:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Oppose I don't really see how we could do the proposed "sorting" efficiently and avoid having to re-do it frequently. Currently, these people are already identified as participants with P161 (not as actors) and generally referenced with various sources that also do not differentiate as above. Already the difference between cast and "voice actor" is sometimes hard to maintain. --- Jura 09:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
    • In almost all of the items that I have looked at, these people are identified as "cast member". "Participant" is too broad and could mean anyone participating in the creation of a film, not just those appearing on camera. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 00:53, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
      • Yes, participant with P161. --- Jura 23:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  •   Comment I've thought about a property like this for quite a while. For documentary films, interviews and other non-fictional content, cast member (P161) doesn't seem ideal. Using character role (P453) themselves (Q18086706) kind of works, but doesn't quite convey that the person isn't playing some kind of role. Using a different property could do that.
    On the other hand pretty much all film/tv databases out there don't make any such distinctions and just list all such on-screen participants as cast members. Which makes importing or comparing data more difficult if our data is split among several properties. But having more granularity in our data isn't necessarily a bad thing, we are already doing that with properties like presenter (P371), voice actor (P725) or talk show guest (P5030).
    Although I think instead of creating a new property, we could also repurpose/expand talk show guest (P5030) instead to not include just talk show guests but all kinds of on-screen participants. --Kam Solusar (talk) 22:32, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
    • If we change this, I think either way, it would be good to see a plan how to implement this fairly large change, before creating the property. @UWashPrincipalCataloger, Moebeus, 2le2im-bdc, Clements.UWLib, Rockpeterson: @Emwille: what do you think? what's your plan? @Kam Solusar: --- Jura 10:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
    • @Kam Solusar: Re:repurposing talk show guest (P5030): one issue is that talk show guest (P5030) is currently used for guests which are *not* "on-screen", because it’s media without a screen (podcasts and radio shows). Jean-Fred (talk) 14:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Talk show guest and onscreen participant are very different things. As has been pointed out, talk show guests are not necessarily on screen in a visual resource, they can be guests on radio shows and podcasts. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
    • Jura makes a good point about maintaining differences and dealing with onscreen participants already identified as cast members. This seems to be an issue that will come up whenever we need more specific properties for roles people play in a creative work. How are these more granular new properties usually dealt with in Wikidata? I don't see how adding "participant" with P161 would sidestep that issue, exactly. "Participant" doesn't add a meaningful distinction because it's so broad, but there would still be maintenance. I don't think repurposing talk show guest (P5030) would be ideal either, because talk show guests are often, as Jean-Fred points out, not on-screen. --Crystal Clements, University of Washington Libraries (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I do agree with Jura as it will be a hard and jumbled task to differentiate people as actors and on screen participant and there is no valid source to confirm if he/she is of either category . If we find out a proper method of sorting then this property would be really helpful for proposing a detailed database of the documentary/shows . Rockpeterson (talk) 09:07, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Wouldn't it still be better to input new items with a much more correct property that editors could use instead of cramming people into "cast member"? Why perpetuate this problem, even if it is not immediately possible to correct already existing items? Editors could correct records as they encounter them or need to edit them further. I agree that it might be hard to identify all the statements that need to be corrected, but "cast member" is simply wrong, and that is what is being used primarily now. Perhaps it is possible to gather all nonfiction moving image works that have a cast member property and work on cleaning them up. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 19:31, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Yes its a great idea @UWashPrincipalCataloger: , it will be more efficient and helpful if we make a project to gather all nonfiction moving image works sort them in years(period) and work on them in a group so that the task will be completed faster . If you agree I am ready to work Rockpeterson (talk) 06:35, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
I would be willing to work on this, and I think some of our media catalogers would also. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 15:51, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Maybe you could start out with the currently existing model and once you have a clear view on how it could be implemented, come back to this proposal. --- Jura 12:21, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's a good idea to have two approaches for the same information nor creating a new one without a clear view on how to implement it. There is nothing inherently wrong with the current approach. It may be that some interpret existing statements incorrectly, but that is essentially their problem. As mentioned, participants are added with the property cast member (P161) and qualified if wanted. We need to make sure an approach can be implemented on the practical level in Wikidata.
    The project has already suffered much in the field of books from people coming here trying to spell out the theoretical ideal approach and, 8 years down the road, WikiProject Books still in an non-ideal shape. Let's make sure we don't undo WikiProject Movies in the same way. --- Jura 13:17, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
    • But @Jura1:, cast members are actors in a fictional work. The cast member property is defined as pertaining to actors. Onscreen participants are not actors. Using the cast member property is not correct for these kinds of participants in nonfictional works who appear as themselves and are not acting. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 18:12, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
      • I understand that this is your point of view. It just not current modeling practice, not here and not at even larger projects we rely on. --- Jura 14:46, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support It seems to me that this property would help us streamline current modelling practices in this area (<cast member><role><themselves> vs. <participant><has role><xy>. --Beat Estermann (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support Pteropotamus (talk) 10:11, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support --Jala360 13:50, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Landshuth IDEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionIdentifier for a gravestone in the Jewish cemetery in the Große Hamburger Straße in Berlin after Eliezer Landshuth
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Samuel Schulhoff (Q94787306)[12]
Example 2Jost Liebmann (Q85358782)[13]
Example 3Esther Liebmann (Q1370117)[14]
Number of IDs in source2800

MotivationEdit

The number assigned by Leser Landshuth (Q1329275) to the gravestones in the Jüdischer Friedhof Berlin-Mitte (Q878485) (Jewish Cemetery on Große Hamburger Straße in Berlin) is found both in the Landshuth estate in the Leo Baeck Institute New York (Q15242248) and in Landshuth's cemetery documentation in the Gesamtarchiv der deutschen Juden (Q67918628) in the The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) (Q2893584) in Jerusalem and in the Stiftung Neue Synagoge Berlin - Centrum Judaicum (Q67921113) in Berlin. The collection of photos of the cemetery by Martin Koppenheim (Q89351320) in the The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) (Q2893584), also provides the respective gravestones with the Landshuth ID. Jacob Jacobson (Q1677526)'s book on Jewish weddings in Berlin (Jüdische Trauungen in Berlin 1759-1813 : mit Ergänzungen für die Jahre 1723 bis 1759 (Q87647586)) also refers to this ID. Various sources could be brought together via this Landshuth ID.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Von Uebigau (talk • contribs) at 11:44, January 22, 2021‎ (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

  •   Comment @Von Uebigau: It's not clear what value you intend - your examples should display the number you want as value. It looks like you are linking to a reference work that describes these entries? So that would be a reference source, but I don't see exactly what the values would be. I assume there's no formatter URL that links to a page using this number? Do you know how many of these people actually have Wikidata ID's? If it is only 100 or less it might be best to just use a property like described at URL (P973) to link to these source documents. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: I had taken this ID as a model: Sprockhoff-ID (P5918). Because various sources use the ID, which cannot always be linked to, described at URL (P973) is not the perfect solution. Moreover, I am not sure whether the link to the InternetArchive remains stable. One could then, for example, link generally with described at URL (P973) to the estate in the Leo Baeck Institute: https://archives.cjh.org/repositories/5/archival_objects/331238 and identify the exact location through the Landshuth ID. A digitisation project is currently planned in which the archival records from the The Central Archives for the History of the Jewish People (CAHJP) (Q2893584) (CAHJP) will be put online. The Landshuth and Koppenheim estates will be digitised there. In perspective, this could become 2800 personal records in Wikidata.

fingerprintEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionAcoustic fingerprint for media. This includes any kind of audio from music, speeches, audio books and films
Data typeString
Example 1See here: https://github.com/acoustid/chromaprint
Example 2See here: https://github.com/acoustid/acoustid-fingerprinter
Example 3See here: https://github.com/acoustid/chromaprint-build-base
Planned usea) identify audio (and by way of audio also video) by content rather than by meta-data, which may or may not be correct,

b) set and correct meta-data after it has been identified by content via fingerprint,

c) remove content duplicates, even if they are not exact binary duplicates.
See also

MotivationEdit

Any content should ultimately be identifiable by the content itself – not by metadata such as tags or descriptions.

This is obvious for text, where full-text indexation is the standard. It is not yet common for audio, images and video. But it should be. The way to do this is fingerprinting (aka perceptual hash). A property proposal for image fingerprints already exists: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/Imagehash_perceptual_hash This proposal is for audio. Since a vast majority of video content (even "silent pictures") comes with audio, the property can be widely used for video identification as well.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by MalEbenSo (talk • contribs).


DiscussionEdit

Note: Datatype can actually be something other than string. It is subject to the algorithm used for fingerprinting. For example, AcoustID/chromalib creates 2.5k binary for a typical music track. But that binary can, of course, be converted to a string.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by MalEbenSo (talk • contribs).

  •   Comment can you add three actual samples (see other proposals on how it's generally done)? If this is for Commons only, please add that to "domain=" above. Is this property meant to be used with different methods on Commons or just one? In the first case, the determination method might need to be specified, in the second case, it could be worth including the method in the label or description. --- Jura 13:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

EvighetsrunorEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionSwedish rune project about runic inscriptions "Evighetsrunor"
Representsrunic inscription (Q7379880)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainitem
Example 1Rök Runestone (Q472975)3a61c080-77fc-4a44-b5ac-f3a4b33b3aab
Example 2Upplands runinskrifter 668 (Q18334393)aaac190b-88b5-4a90-abe7-98deae52c5b4
Example 3U 792 (Q19979013)42fa16bf-8600-41a2-a487-a848070424a8
Sourceapp.raa.se/open/runor/search_results
Planned useused in Wikipedia articles
Number of IDs in source7189
Expected completeness100%
Formatter URLhttp://kulturarvsdata.se/uu/srdb/$1
See alsoScandinavian Runic-text Database (P1261)

MotivationEdit

This new application "Evighetsrunor" is available through an aggregator K-samsök that is Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260). My argument is that having a specific properties is more as we do in Wikidata and will make easer to write templates and do SPARQL etc... Salgo60 (talk) 19:52, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Oppose It's one line of SPARQL. Let's not duplicate the information into two properties it will just get out of sync and we still need it in P1260 for things like federated SPARQL and general discovery. Abbe98 (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

  CommentPlease do a POC and show how it will work as Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) now will contain a lot of things related to a runic inscription (Q7379880) in different ways I guess we need a way of understanding from the Linked data in Wikidata what a specific identifier will contain....
If we should select the right Property value from Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) you need qualifiers etc... this suggestion is a more clean and easy maintained Wikidata way having dedicated properties for each of the systems. We also have a year long discussion of the quality of the data in Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) so I feel people have less trust in the K-samsök approach that is impossible for Wikidata to clean if K-samsök is not doing the homework see Swedish Wikipedia discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 12:00, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
Update now has some objects from Evighetsrunor been added to Wikidata in Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) I feel we get a mess as Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) will both have links to "Fornsök" that is geometric areas and "Evighetsrunor" that is runic inscription (Q7379880). You need to check the values and if it contains a string to understand what resource its is linking... feels not like good Linked data ;-) and asking for problems...
- Salgo60 (talk) 05:12, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

  Oppose For the same reasons as Abbe98. It's impossible to know, based solely on the URI, "what" a record in SOCH represents. You have to resolve the URI and read the RDF to know if it's a record for a building, a monument, an artefact, a photo… SOCH URIs from Runor of the form uu/srdb typically represent the physical objects that bear the inscriptions rather than the inscriptions themselves. This is why many of them are owl:sameAs other records representing the same physical objects. The current property Swedish Open Cultural Heritage URI (P1260) describes a link connecting a Wikidata object to a matching SOCH object. An identity; that's all. Inventing different properties for all the different item types in SOCH seems like it would be very difficult to manage, especially as you can't tell the item type just by looking at the URI, with little real benefit. Biltvätt (talk) 10:01, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

digital distribution platformEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptiononline platform or service used for distributing, managing and/or hosting this work or software
Representscreative work (Q17537576)
Data typeItem
Domainitem
Allowed valuesdigital distribution platform (Q19307174)
Example 113 Reasons Why (Q18464203) --> Netflix (Q907311)
Example 2Half-Life 2 (Q193581) --> Steam (Q337535)
Example 3Dear Esther (Q1583764) --> Mod DB (Q2983178)
Example 4The Fame Monster (Q164621) --> Spotify (Q689141)
Robot and gadget jobsMove all digital distribution platforms from distributed by (P750) to this property
See also

MotivationEdit

We currently use distributed by (P750) ( to both list the company who distributes a creative work but also the online platform that the work are being hosted on. Hence why i propose this new property. --Trade (talk) 13:19, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Franzsimon
Sweet kate
Galaktos
Sjoerddebruin
AmaryllisGardener
Kosboot
Shingyang-i
Daniele.Brundu
Airon90
Atallcostsky
LinardsLinardsLinards
Infovarius
Hannolans
Ptolusque
Gilrn
Smallison
Sight Contamination
Moebeus
Pigsonthewing
Mathieudu68
Harshrathod50
Buccalon
Tris T7
Olivettilly
Rhudson
Coloradohusky
CptViraj
SilentSpike
Sintakso
Trivialist
Indrajit Das
Monica Berger
Unuaiga
Lanzelotte
Premeditated
Wolverène
Pierre André Leclercq
Ivanhercaz
CrystallineLeMonde
VisbyStar
Wikizummo
Mathieu Kappler
Mccoyle55
categerhart
Shisma
Lectrician1
  Notified participants of WikiProject Music--Trade (talk) 10:46, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

@ChristianKl: --Trade (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm not even sure if half of those counts as music streaming platforms@Lockal:--Trade (talk) 16:01, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I suppose all of them are music streaming platforms. You may just miss the streaming functionality for some of them, because it is available for specific countries (Russia in my case, but I also included few services from Korea/Indonesia/India regions). In opposite, I skipped some services like iHeartRadio, which are not accessible in Russia. And as the proposal is named as "digital distribution platform", it also includes digital downloads too. A can provide a similar example for movies too: I wouldn't be surprised to find if there are even more distribution platforms for a single movie than for music compositions. --Lockal (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
To make it clear: the problem I see is not that there are too many "digital distribution platforms" for a single digital creative work. The problem is that current proposal suggests to linearly increase the number of statements, without adding any extra benefit. However, I would support the proposal where "digital distribution platform" is limited in the same way as website account on (P553) is: where all existing external identifiers are marked with none of constraint (Q52558054) constraint. --Lockal (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure if i really follow your proposal? --Trade (talk) 23:39, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
I tend to agree with Lockal's point here, this property would be useful for indicating relevant distribution platforms that don't already have external identifiers, much the same way we do for website accounts. That's a pretty reasonable suggestion, isn't it? Moebeus (talk) 22:05, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Bandcamp TagEdit

   Under discussion
DescriptionThe tag of this location or music genre on bandcamp
Representsmusic genre (Q188451) or geographic location (Q2221906)
Data typeString
Domainitem
Example 1vaporwave (Q15733887)vaporwave
Example 2grindcore (Q188534)grindcore
Example 3Detroit (Q12439)detroit
Sourcehttps://bandcamp.com/tags
Number of IDs in source740
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://bandcamp.com/tag/$1
Distinct values constraintyes

MotivationEdit

another identifier useful for mapping all music genres --Shisma (talk) 10:06, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Franzsimon
Sweet kate
Galaktos
Sjoerddebruin
AmaryllisGardener
Kosboot
Shingyang-i
Daniele.Brundu
Airon90
Atallcostsky
LinardsLinardsLinards
Infovarius
Hannolans
Ptolusque
Gilrn
Smallison
Sight Contamination
Moebeus
Pigsonthewing
Mathieudu68
Harshrathod50
Buccalon
Tris T7
Olivettilly
Rhudson
Coloradohusky
CptViraj
SilentSpike
Sintakso
Trivialist
Indrajit Das
Monica Berger
Unuaiga
Lanzelotte
Premeditated
Wolverène
Pierre André Leclercq
Ivanhercaz
CrystallineLeMonde
VisbyStar
Wikizummo
Mathieu Kappler
Mccoyle55
categerhart
Shisma
Lectrician1
  Notified participants of WikiProject Music

Filmitalia film IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier used for films in the database of filmitalia.org
Representsfilm
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainfilm (Q11424)
Allowed units\d+
Example 1Sono Guido e Non Guido (Q105546467)105184
Example 2I Prefer the Sound of the Sea (Q3910120)27198
Example 3Clownin' Kabul (Q3681233)27646
Example 4Dafne (Q87904378)107882
Example 5Diarchy (Q81818847)58198
SourceFilmitalia (Q105546809)
Formatter URLhttps://www.filmitalia.org/p.aspx?t=film&did=$1
See alsoWikidata:Property proposal/Filmitalia person ID
Distinct values constraintyes
Wikidata projectfilm

MotivationEdit

Big database of Italian movies 1Veertje (talk) 14:38, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

number of clicks to opt-outEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionnumber of clicks needed to opt-out of tracking by website
Data typeQuantity
Domainwebsites
Example 1reuters.com (Q22343541) → 1
Example 2DuckDuckGo (Q12805) → 0
Example 3MISSING
Planned useadd to some website
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)

MotivationEdit

Seems to be be a common feature of websites, fairly easy to determine, but not standardized. Can be qualify with criteria used (Add your motivation for this property here.) --- Jura 08:02, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support, an important property for websites.--Arbnos (talk) 20:41, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

secondary topicEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptiontopic of a work, but not the main topic (see also P921: main subject)
Representsmatter (Q26256810)
Data typeItem
Domainitem
Example 1Q1052692
Example 2general relativity
Example 3art
Example 4economics
Planned useI will add a topic of my research monograph.
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsomain subject

MotivationEdit

Property:P921 is vastly not enough to describe topics of works.

We need also to create another property (I do not propose it, because it would refer to this property that yet has no property ID) to be a superclass of both this property and P921. VictorPorton (talk) 06:22, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

For example, my book "D, the Best Programming Language, for Former Python Developers" (not described at WikiData) could have Property:Q319268 as its main subject and PQ79872 (PQ79872) and several others as values of this property.

DiscussionEdit

See: Wikidata:Property proposal/subject facet--GZWDer (talk) 09:53, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

grant numberEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionan ID of a grant or award
Representsgrant number (Q105682982)
Data typeItem
Domainwork human organization
Example 1xdai/1/1
Example 21 R01 CA 123456-01A1
Example 3HD 12345-02S1X2
Planned useI will add my Future Salaries ID as my grant number.
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoP8324

MotivationEdit

We sometimes may want to know grants IDs of humans, organizations, and projects. VictorPorton (talk) 06:43, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Future Salaries IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionan ID in Future Salaries dApp
Representsgrant number (Q105682982)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainwork human organization
Allowed values^[a-z0-9]+/[0-9]+/[0-9]+$
Example 1xdai/1/1
Example 2mainnet/2/1567
Example 3harmony/1/167
Sourcehttps://vporton.github.io/future-salary/
Planned useMy app Future Salaries provides everybody who registers with such ID to calculate and pay their salaries.
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
See alsoP8324 Q105682531

MotivationEdit

My dApp Future Salaries provides IDs to people, NGOs, businesses, projects etc. for the purpose to reward (by using that my financial software) them with funds for social good.

It is natural to store this information in WikiData, too. (I am negotiating with GRID registry to store in their database as the possible primary authoritative source.)

TBH, I am not really sure if we should have this property in WikiData: All the usage purposes for this property, that I can imagine, are about highly sensitive data, forging which would lead to financial losses, and WikiData is publicly editable, so retrieving this info from WikiData makes little sense. (BTW, I advise to make some properties in WikiData not publicly editable: You would retrieve it from GRID and not allow users to edit.) However, I suggest to add this property for completeness.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by VictorPorton (talk • contribs) at 19:02, February 26, 2021‎ (UTC).

DiscussionEdit

TapTap application IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an application available from the tap distribution platform
RepresentsTap Tap (Q48886565)
Data typeString
Template parameterN/A
DomainVideo games and applications
Allowed values字符串
Example 1Genshin Impact (Q65059474)168332 168332
Example 2Dead Cells (Q30639210)171015 171015
Example 3Uma Musume Pretty Derby (Q29034274)44192 44192
Example 4Sky (Q64547527)62448 62448
Example 5Minecraft: Bedrock Edition (Q6016926)43639 43639
Example 6Game for Peace (Q81083842)70056 70056
Formatter URLhttps://www.taptap.com/app/$1
See alsoSteam application ID (P1733)

MotivationEdit

ΛΧΣ21 Vacation9 John F. Lewis (talk) Bene* talk #Reaper (talk) Josve05a (talk) Chris Mason (talk) FunPika Arthena (talk) Wangxuan8331800 (talk) Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) Nicereddy (talk) Syum90 (talk) DrakeCaiman (talk) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) Andreasburmeister (talk) Danrok (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC) Macrike (talk) Dispenser (talk) 16:56, 7 July 2017 (UTC) --Zache (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC) SharkD  Talk  06:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC) ZebaX2010 (talk) 00:49, 21 November 2017 (UTC) Sight Contamination (talk) Lewis Hulbert (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2017 (UTC) Jean-Fred (talk) 10:48, 28 February 2018 (UTC) Santer (talk) Cloaker416 (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC) Rampagingcarrot (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2018 (UTC) Diggr (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2018 (UTC) Harsh Rathod Poke me! 09:42, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Kirilloparma (talk) 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC) Sir Lothar (talk) 10:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC) Cwf97 (talk) 14:33, 22 October 2018 (UTC) Peterchanws Brasig Le Yota de Mars YotaMoteuchi (talk) 08:09, 22 May 2019 (UTC) Coloradohusky CptViraj BugWarp ʂɤɲ User:Nw520 Cynde Moya Dexxor Floyd-out CadetPatrick AntisocialRyan ihaveahax  Notified participants of WikiProject Video games
Tap has hundreds of mobile video game available
tap.io is international edition of taptap.com
易玩擁有數百種手機視頻遊戲,國際版網站是中國版網站的國際版網站 Zyksnowy (talk) 02:49, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support AntisocialRyan (talk) 17:00, 1 March 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support, an important property for computer games.--Arbnos (talk) 20:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

writing styleEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionstyle of script of a document or typeface
Representsscript (Q33260112)
Data typeItem
Domainwork (Q386724), typeface (Q17451)
Allowed valuesscript (Q33260112), "type style"
Example 1Uncial 053 (Q667250)uncial script (Q784235)
Example 2Qur'an in naskhi script (Q50811945)naskh (Q1510712)
Example 3Times New Roman (Q213048)Roman type (Q484023)
Planned usesee below
See alsowriting system (P282), typeface/font used (P2739)

SynonymsEdit

  • style of script

Proposed actionsEdit

MotivationEdit

Currently writing system (P282) is sometimes used for this. But that property's companion item, writing system (Q8192), says that:

writing system (Q8192) has part (P527) = script (Q63801299): set of symbols of a writing system, orthography (Q43091): set of conventions regulating the way of using a writing system
but it does not has part (P527) = script (Q33260112): style of handwritten language

This proposal would distinguish

This would be particularly valuable for cases like uncial script (Q784235): writing system for Greek and Latin where the style does not necessarily identify the writing system (Q8192). (It might be Latin or Greek).

The property could be used as a qualifier on writing system (P282), or as a main statement in its own right; but when P282 is present the property would be used only as a qualifier.
(For some languages writing system (P282) might be considered to be implicit from language of work or name (P407). It is suggested that in such cases standalone use of this new property could be acceptable to indicate the style of script. For some other languages that will not be the case, eg Yiddish (Q8641), Judaeo-Spanish (Q36196))

DiscussionEdit

  • Proposed. Jheald (talk) 08:59, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support Strong support for the distinction between writing system and script style. - PKM (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2021 (UTC)