Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work


Property proposal: Generic Authority control Person Organization
Creative work Place Sports Sister projects
Transportation Natural science Computing Lexeme

See also

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This page is for the proposal of new properties.

Before proposing a property

  1. Search if the property already exists.
  2. Search if the property has already been proposed.
  3. Check if you can give a similar label and definition as an existing Wikipedia infobox parameter, or if it can be matched to an infobox, to or from which data can be transferred automatically.
  4. Select the right datatype for the property.
  5. Read Wikidata:Creating a property proposal for guidelines you should follow when proposing new property.
  6. Start writing the documentation based on the preload form below by editing the two templates at the top of the page to add proposal details.

Creating the property

  1. Once consensus is reached, change status=ready on the template, to attract the attention of a property creator.
  2. Creation can be done 1 week after the creation of the proposal, by a property creator or an administrator.
  3. See property creation policy.


Cultural heritage

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Cultural heritage, Wikidata:WikiProject Intangible Cultural Heritage
Other related projects: Category:Cultural heritage WikiProjects

National Historical Museums of Sweden object ID

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Descriptionauthority identification for an object in the collections of the National Historical Museums of Sweden
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[0-9A-Z]{8}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{12}
Example 1Streiff (Q10681657)https://samlingar.shm.se/object/A4B754D2-5CB6-4FA1-997A-970250E32044
Example 2Mosjömadonnan (Q10589526)https://samlingar.shm.se/object/7C505995-EBF5-4106-BBEE-17F52BB3EA83
Example 3Elizabeth Reliquary (Q26253636)https://samlingar.shm.se/object/8BA2743C-5065-438B-9FAA-D854606DB716
Sourcehttps://samlingar.shm.se
Planned useMatching and creating items in the collection that are depicted on Wikimedia Commons
Number of IDs in source1 300 000
Expected completenessno label (Q21873886 (always incomplete))
Formatter URLhttps://samlingar.shm.se/object/$1
See alsoNationalmuseum Sweden artwork ID (P2539)
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Motivation

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Needed to be able to matching and creating items on Wikidata that are objects in the collection of NHM and that are depicted in images on Wikimedia Commons, for example. / LinneaKarlberg (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support LinneaKarlberg (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Eva L Vedin (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Elinor Rajka (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment @LinneaKarlberg:, @Eva L Vedin:, @Elinor Rajka:, @Azad Karimi: coordinating support votes with ones colleagues is not helpful, the property proposal process is in place for a reason. Abbe98 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, we did not know. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment Considering that National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) exists and that other properties from SHM are likely to be proposed in the future(places, events, heritage sites, ect) maybe there should only be one property? As far as I'm aware the UUIDs are unique across the various types and even if that wouldn't be the case one could include the type prefix in the id. Abbe98 (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: Sure, that would probably work. Do you have an example of another external identifier that includes several different types so I can check how it works? Is it possible then to change the name and details of P9495? LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Europeana entity (P7704) would be one example. I would imagine migrating/generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) by: 1. updating the formatter URL 2. adding the agent prefix to existing values 3. updating the label/description of the property Abbe98 (talk) 10:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Oppose Per the discussion above, I would suggest generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) rather than creating a new property for each type. I cave created a section on the discussion page. Abbe98 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Abbe98  , It would then be necessary to differentiate "agents" from "object". How would you like to do? (incorporate it into the identifier as a general property? or use an external URL formatter?) We can also consider that each property will be dedicated to the type (less errors with dedicated constraints). It would be necessary to recontact those who have already voted, as well as the voters of the other property, to find out if your idea appeals to them, but with more information. I don't see a URL leading directly to the correct page without using the type (with only the UUID). Example: type:UUID. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I would imagine we would use one of the seven possible prefixes like agent/<UUID> and object/<UUID>. We could also use a generic resolver but there isn't an official one so I think such a solution is less optimal. Abbe98 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: @Eihel: @LinneaKarlberg: We just had a discussion about this with the Wikidata team at the National Historical Museums of Sweden. Our conclusion is that this property should not be created, and Abbe98's solution (using prefixes) is better. This will include us (WMSE is supporting the museum in their Wikidata work) generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and removing /person/ from the formatter URL and then adding the person prefix to all the existing uses of the property. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) I have pinged all the people who voted on National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495). I think we should leave it over the weekend at least but then if there are no one oposing this I can migrate it early next week. Abbe98 (talk) 12:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We at NHM are all on board with this approach instead of several Properties. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 08:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like an excellent idea. Many thanks Abbe98 . /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks everyone, I've started re-defining National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and will migrate the existing items using it. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier

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Descriptionpersistent identifier for objects in the National Archives of Sweden main archival database
RepresentsNational Archives of Sweden (Q1724971)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainarchival resource (Q106815942), document (Q49848), work (Q386724)
Allowed valuesBase62-encoded UUID
Example 1No 2. Elbing. (Q111517198)eYHMeAFOm4sNVmxKK3M5L2
Example 2No 3. Elbing (Q111517379)0zDW3BS0Gw9Haap2yUVspE
Example 3No 4. Danzigk wir es Eltere und newer werck (Q111519390)zmQwWNi2ag9DQGJxnSVmD0
Implied notabilityWikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URLhttps://sok.riksarkivet.se/arkiv/$1
See alsoSwedish National Archive reference code (P5324)
Applicable "stated in"-valueNational Archives of Sweden (Q117288060)
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Motivation

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Wikidata-objekt med denna egenskapen kan också ha Nationell Arkivdatabas Referenskod (P5324), men den persistenta identifieraren är enklare att använda för att skapa webbsides-URLer och länkad data-URIer. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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It has been created as Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) se discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not the same as I understand. This proposal is for objects in archives (maybe even archives or series, though I struggle to come up with a case where they would have a wikidata item). The property you link is for an agent (Swedish: arkivbildare). Belteshassar (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Belteshassar, Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige), Abbe98: Dont we make it more complex than needed. Formatter url is the same
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/agent/$1 
My suggestion change the name on Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) to be both... I have used (maybe wrongly) both for the "person agent" and the "archive agent"
1) List examples nota bene August Strindberg seems to have more person identifiers at the National Archive looks like something that needs to be cleaned at "the National Archive"...
Having 2 different properties is like if someone should connect with Wikidata and add new properties for every type of instance instance of (P31) Wikidata has... ?
- Salgo60 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like Nils left Riksarkivet and the whole thing died. I tried to ask about Riksarkivets terms but get odd answers see issue #22 - Salgo60 (talk) 10:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cinematography

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies
Other relevant projects: Category:Movie WikiProjects

Television

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies

‎Trakt episode ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a episode in the Trakt.tv database
RepresentsTrakt.tv (Q84591894)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintelevision series episode (Q21191270)
Allowed values[1-9]\d*
Example 1Ozymandias (Q15015260)73541
Example 2Blink (Q1885659)951467
Example 3Severed Dreams (Q4310395)244779
Sourcehttps://trakt.tv
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://trakt.tv/episodes/$1
Robot and gadget jobsimport uris via IMDb ID (P345), and search [data-episode-id="xxxxxx"] in page source code
Applicable "stated in"-valueTrakt.tv (Q84591894)

Motivation

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The UUID of the episode on Trakt.tv. It can be found in the source code of the page under the value data-episode-id="xxxx", where xxxx is the episode UUID.

Analogy for the TheTVDb episode identifier. pecela  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pecela (talk • contribs) at 03:14, August 27, 2024‎ (UTC).

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‎TV Maze character ID

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Descriptionidentifier for a character on the TV Maze film database
RepresentsTV Maze (Q84863617)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintelevision character (Q15773317)
Allowed values^[1-9]\d*$
Example 1Cosmo Kramer (Q2916792)85604
Example 2Jimmy McNulty (Q6200826)49349
Example 3Tyrion Lannister (Q2076759)15604
Example 4Saul Goodman (Q7154377)45535present in work (P1441)Breaking Bad (Q1079)
Example 5Saul Goodman (Q7154377)86444present in work (P1441)Better Call Saul (Q14925221)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.tvmaze.com/characters/$1/-
See alsoTV Maze series ID (P8600), TV Maze episode ID (P11294), TV Maze season ID (P10669), TV Maze person ID (P11449)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Film (Q8485793)

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TV Maze is a database of television series for which we already have a number of Wikidata properties for. This may come in handy because ever since IMDb deprecated their character pages there has been a lack of identifiers for television characters.


Unfortunately, there does seem to be some duplication with characters that appear in multiple series (see the Saul Goodman example) but I don't think this is a major problem and it can be dealt with using qualifiers. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 01:09, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Anime and manga

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Anime and Manga

Music

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Music
Other relevant projects: Category:Music WikiProjects

Board game

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Board Games

game designer

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Motivation

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Edit: Based on the feedback I have expanded the scope to video games as well. I was hesitant to do this at first because designed by (P287) is already well-established for video games: en:Template:Infobox video game and 2007 video games use it.

5 years have passed since the Property for board and card game creators discussion and we still haven't agreed on how to model relationships between board games and its designers. Currently, there are five competing properties in use – what a mess.

Why I think the existing properties are not sufficient:

  1. developer (P178) is mostly used for video games. Its values are often companies but board game designers aren't.
  2. author (P50) should only be used for written works (I assume this one has so many uses because board game designers are called Autoren in German)
  3. designed by (P287) could be mistaken for graphic designer/illustrator (P110) (especially by German users).
  4. creator (P170) and discoverer or inventor (P61) are too generic. Labels in other languages are often awkward.

But most importantly: it's not obvious to editors which of the above properties they should choose, resulting in the mess we are in. Dexxor (talk) 12:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Board Games


@Dexxor, Kirilloparma, Solidest, Wd-Ryan, Ainali:   Done: game designer (P12969). --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 23:02, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lewis Hulbert: Thanks for creating it, however when you open it, it sticks and just won't open. So far it can only be opened by browsing some diff, am I the only one experiencing this? Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 02:33, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kirilloparma, I'm also getting same issue, please see Wikidata:DEV#Issues with adding statements to a new property. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it looks like some kind of bug. My advice for now is to create a ticket in phabricator and temporarily avoid creating properties via the Wikidata interface. I suggest to try using PropertyCreator.js or as I do on a regular basis create properties via QuickStatements (example). I don't know how it would help though, but it's worth a try. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:00, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I tried QuickStatements earlier in the same situation, unfortunately doesn't work well! However, your suggestion is very good, It's looks like Antonin's createprop which was not working for long time. Thanks! Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 03:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tabletopia game ID

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Descriptionidentifier for a board game on tabletopia.com
RepresentsTabletopia (Q96407561)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsocial game (Q17351672)
Example 1Wingspan (Q65784798)wingspan
Example 2Terra Mystica (Q17147000)terra-mystica
Example 3Go (Q11413)go
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd][en.wikt][fr.wikt].
Planned useMass-import using matching BoardGameGeek IDs
Number of IDs in source2594
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://tabletopia.com/games/$1
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Wikidata projectWikiProject Board and table games (Q9456907)

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Linking together different databases is one of Wikidata's biggest strengths but board game databases are still underrepresented. Compared to BoardGameGeek, Tabletopia has a simpler UI and offers official rule books that can be downloaded as PDF without login. Dexxor (talk) 21:10, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Board Games

Board Game Arena ID

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Descriptionidentifier for a game on boardgamearena.com
RepresentsBoard Game Arena (Q50042959)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsocial game (Q17351672)
Example 1Wingspan (Q65784798)wingspan
Example 2Terra Mystica (Q17147000)terra-mystica
Example 37 Wonders (Q17276)sevenwonders
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd][en.wikt][fr.wikt].
Number of IDs in source916
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://boardgamearena.com/gamepanel?game=$1
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Wikidata projectWikiProject Board and table games (Q9456907)

Board Game Arena numeric ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionnumeric identifier for a game on boardgamearena.com. Use as qualifier
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Wingspan (Q65784798)1635
Example 2Terra Mystica (Q17147000)1118
Example 37 Wonders (Q17276)1131
Formatter URLhttps://boardgamearena.com/gamepanel?id=$1
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Motivation

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Boardgamearena.com provides lots of useful information about a game, has interactive tutorials, and it often links to other databases like myludo.fr, lad.education, tesera.ru, spellenlab.be, nastol.io, jeuxstrategieter.free.fr, and ludopedia.com.br (for which I will also create property proposals). Dexxor (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Board Games

  •   Comment One could argue that the numeric ID should be the main value and the human-friendly ID should be used as qualifier. But since the numeric IDs are pretty well-hidden (you can find them by searching for <span style="display:none" id="game_id"> in the HTML source) I would speculate that the human-friendly IDs are actually more stable/permanent. Dexxor (talk) 22:08, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BoardGaming.com game ID

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Descriptionidentifier for a game on BoardGaming.com
RepresentsBoardGaming.com (Q129740046)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsocial game (Q17351672)
Example 1Wingspan (Q65784798)wingspan
Example 2Terra Mystica (Q17147000)terra-mystica
Example 3Fiasco (Q3744369)fiasco
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd][en.wikt][fr.wikt].
Planned useCreate Mix'n'match catalog
Number of IDs in source3644
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://boardgaming.com/games/$1
URL match pattern^https?://boardgaming.com/games/[^/]+/([a-z0-9₂–_-]+)
See alsoBoardGameGeek ID (P2339)
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Wikidata projectWikiProject Board and table games (Q9456907)

BoardGaming.com numeric game ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionnumeric identifier for a game on BoardGaming.com. Use as qualifier
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Wingspan (Q65784798)65958
Example 2Terra Mystica (Q17147000)32707
Example 3Fiasco (Q3744369)9387
Formatter URLhttps://boardgaming.com/?p=$1
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Motivation

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This is probably the biggest contender to BoardGameGeek. It has been around since 2010. Dexxor (talk) 11:12, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Board Games

  •   Comment The numeric ID is the Wordpress post ID obtained by searching for postid in the HTML source. I would expect that the numeric IDs become obsolete should BoardGaming.com ever switch away from Wordpress. Dexxor (talk) 11:16, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BoardGameGeek game mechanic ID

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Descriptionidentifier for a game mechanic on BoardGameGeek
RepresentsBoardGameGeek (Q887528)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1rock–paper–scissors (Q3939644)2003
Example 2area majority (Q19618360)2080
Example 3bidding (Q2142250)2012
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd][en.wikt][fr.wikt].
Planned usepossibly useful as an external link on Wikipedia pages that may describe these game mechanics, as well as a way to verify the content of the Wikidata item.
Number of IDs in source192, possibly? The browsing page for IDs has that amount: https://boardgamegeek.com/browse/boardgamemechanic
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamemechanic/$1
See alsoBoardGameGeek ID (P2339), BoardGameGeek game publisher ID (P6160), BoardGameGeek family ID (P8675), BoardGameGeek designer ID (P3505)
Applicable "stated in"-valueBoardGameGeek (Q887528)
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Motivation

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I've seen some items that would fit this identifier recently, and I think it would make sense to have it available alongside the other BoardGameGeek IDs. Outside of Wikidata, I'm also hoping to spruce up the tabletop game space on nowiki, so it would make a nice addition, should I start writing about game mechancis on this other project where we tend to use Wikidata a bit. EdoAug (talk) 00:30, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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Video game

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Video games
Other relevant projects: Category:Video game WikiProjects

Literature

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Books
Other relevant projects: Category:Book WikiProjects

Scientific literature

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Biblioteka Nauki IDs

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Biblioteka Nauki article ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an article on bibliotekanauki.pl
RepresentsBiblioteka Nauki (Q113016424)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainscholarly article (Q13442814)
Example 1Geometrical interpretation of the sinh-Gordon equation (Q130062139)714437
Example 2General principles of law and taxation (Q117536139)2010032
Example 3Privacy and Transparency in the 4th Space: Implications for Conspiracy Theories (Q114023825)31234178
Number of IDs in source571653
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://bibliotekanauki.pl/articles/$1
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Biblioteka Nauki journal ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a journal on bibliotekanauki.pl
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainscientific journal (Q5633421)
Example 1Annales Polonici Mathematici (Q9155888)1087
Example 2Review of European and Comparative Law (Q96719000)1176
Example 3Filozofia i Nauka (Q96701581)18618
Number of IDs in source1700
Formatter URLhttps://bibliotekanauki.pl/journals/$1
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Biblioteka Nauki book ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a book on bibliotekanauki.pl
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainbook (Q571)
Example 1Aegyptus et Nubia Christiana. The Włodzimierz Godlewski jubilee volume on the occasion of his 70th birthday (Q125753655)1046641
Example 2New media in the social spaces. Strategies of influence (Q130089387)2031079
Example 3Otwarty dostęp (translation) (Q56242287)2143725
Number of IDs in source1900
Formatter URLhttps://bibliotekanauki.pl/books/$1
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Biblioteka Nauki publisher ID

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   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a publisher on bibliotekanauki.pl
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainpublishing company (Q2085381), higher education institution (Q38723)
Example 1Jacob of Paradyż University of Applied Sciences in Gorzów Wielkopolski (Q30263914)370
Example 2Centralne Laboratorium Kryminalistyczne Policji (Q30261001)388
Example 3Frontiers Media (Q80796)1001
Number of IDs in source1000
Formatter URLhttps://bibliotekanauki.pl/books/$1
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Motivation

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Open-access library created in 2021 by University of Warsaw with over 571,000 articles, 1700 journals, 1900 books, and 1000 publishers. Dexxor (talk) 23:57, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Open Access

Video

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Image

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts

Podcast

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Podcasts

Theatre

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Performing arts, Wikidata:WikiProject Theatre

Fiction

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Fictional universes, Wikidata:WikiProject Narration
For projects about specific universes, see: Category:Fiction WikiProjects

health/hit points

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   Under discussion
Descriptionhealth or armor points of this video game, board game or role-playing game character
Representshealth (Q668136)
Data typeQuantity
Example 1Adam Warlock (Q130232493) > 250
Example 2Infested Girl (Q130232401) > 16
Example 3Mercy (Q28592386) > 225
Example 4Sniper (Q128164668) > 90
Example 5Sniper (Q128164668) > 50 (applies to part > armor (Q130232601))
Example 6Claude Speed (Q2721597) > 10
Example 7Claude (Q14805400) > 100
Example 8Zoey (Q65924442) > 100
Example 9Creeper (Q13164404) > 20 (applies to work (P10663) > Minecraft (Q49740))
Example 10Cacodemon (Q108324133) > 400 (applies to work (P10663) > Doom (Q189784))
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

Discussion

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  •   Comment is this really within Wikidata:Scope? You can only look this up from the game data which makes this original research. Also how do you compare this across games? 100 hitpoints might be a lot for one game and not so much for a game where the weapons kill you at first shot. Matthias M. (talk) 21:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It can also be referenced from wikis about the game. Original research isn't the only option. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Wd-Ryan: Are you referring to Fandom/Wikia wikis and other player-maintained wikis? These are considered unreliable (due to it being user-generated content) on many other Wikimedia projects. Is this "allowed for" on Wikidata? EdoAug (talk) 22:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure if it makes the statement ineligible for inclusion altogether, but most identifiers can be entered as a reference. These websites, however, do not make the subject of the item notable. Either way, it isn't accurate to say health points wouldn't be found in any other external resource. For example, this random news article I quickly found references hitpoints (Not that this specific one is applicable).
    I'd also be fine with having this data in an existing property if there's a good one. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 23:11, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If someone for whatever reason wishes to ban Fandom as a source then this is not the right place to discuss it anyways Trade (talk) 22:30, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Naturally in some games 100 hitpoints will be a lot and in others very little. This is an issue of scaling and balancing and not something that affects the truthness of the statement Trade (talk) 22:41, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment This could be used on all items of Minecraft mobs. -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment What about using properties such as has characteristic (P1552) (or something similar) and quantity (P1114) for the plethora of (video, board, role-playing) game attributes? A similar property is personality trait of fictional character (P9652). EdoAug (talk) 22:34, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    How about we just widen the scope to include board and role-playing games? Trade (talk) 22:50, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Trade: I'm referring to other types of attributes, such as strength, charisma, armour, running speed, mana, agility, dexterity, and the many other traits that characters may have in video games (but also other types of games), as well as health (and damage). Instead of creating bespoke properties for these, why not just have one for "gameplay trait of fictional character or item", or just use one of the aforementioned properties (and qualifier)? EdoAug (talk) 22:58, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Mechanics such as hit points and damage are largely universal across game genres and (arguable) inherent to most of them. Being able to spend skill points across multiple attributes for your characters is not Trade (talk) 23:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not all usage of other attributes include spending skill points. Health and damage are not static numbers, either – many non-player characters in RPG video games have an ever-changing array of numbers, such as Jaina Proudmoore (Q819585), whose health is different in various expansions of World of Warcraft, as well as spin-off games such as Heroes of the Storm and Hearthstone, where her damage and mana (resource) is also relevant.
    I am simply offering an alternative way of portraying these numbers in a way that may include a wider spectrum of similar traits. I don't really think specific properties are necessary, but I'm not too opposed to them either. I think it would be better to have a more open-ended property that would accommodate for multiple types of statistics (including health and damage... and mana, agility, running speed, level, et cetera). EdoAug (talk) 23:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree we need a property with a wider scope, there's going to be plenty of stats that only apply to items from specific games so a general purpose property in the same area as has characteristic (P1552) would likely work best. Taking Pokémon items as an example (I believe we have over 1000 of those at this point) it would be advantageous to be able to provide their base statistics: HP, Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense and Speed. Since these stats are quite relevant to gameplay it should be easy to find sources without having to resort to fan wikis. --Lewis Hulbert (talk) 02:22, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree with you, Lewis. Some kind of "has statistic" property with a number data type and units for each statistic type. (health point, attack point, etc.) -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 17:15, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's something along the lines I meant. EdoAug (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose This type of data belongs in a specific fan wiki. The numbers aren't meaningful to non-players. Dexxor (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikidata is contributed by people active in different topics and have very different goals of contribution, so "not meaningful to non-players" is not a good reason against it. However we does have a Wikia equalvent of Wikidata (Wikibase Cloud), so I have no position for or against the property.--GZWDer (talk) 11:20, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Motivation

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We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

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magazine capacity

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   Under discussion
Descriptionmagazine capacity or clip size of this firearm or weapon (real or fictional)
Representsmagazine (Q148958)
Data typeQuantity
Example 1CZ 75 Automatic (Q128424715) > 16
Example 2CZ 75 Automatic (Q128424715) > 20
Example 3CZ 75 Automatic (Q128424715) > 26
Example 4Desert Eagle Mark XIX (Q128788767) > 9 (ammunition (P739) > .357 Magnum (Q158754))
Example 5Desert Eagle Mark XIX (Q128788767) > 8 (ammunition (P739) > .44 Magnum (Q94598))
Example 6Peacekeeper (Q130212252) > 6
Example 8Orb of Destruction (Q129916278) > 25
Example 9CZ75-Auto (Q128424479) > 12
Example 10Minigun (Q124444124) > 200
Example 11Sniper Rifle (Q124444442) > 1
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation

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We have no way of modeling this so a property is needed

My knowledge of real-life firearms is limited so please bear over me if i made any mistakes.

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See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms