Wikidata:Property proposal/Directeur de publication

publication managerEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   Not done
Descriptionperson legally responsible of the content of a periodic or another publication in france
Representsdirector of publication (Q3029421)
Data typeItem
Template parameter"directeur de publication" of Template:Infobox newspaper (Q9460683)      in frwiki
Domainhuman (Q5)     
ExampleLe Monde (Q12461) -> Louis Dreyfus (Q16661304)
Motivation

Needed for the infobox. author  TomT0m / talk page 17:55, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Discussion

  Support. Tubezlob (🙋) 19:52, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

  •   Comment can't the infobox use employer (P108) or corporate officer (P2828) with qualifier position held (P39) specifying director of publication (Q3029421)? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:52, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
    • @ArthurPSmith: Probably, but it's supposed to work from the journal to the person - as it's an important role in a journal. And we still can't retrieve the information from the journal article if the statement is in the person one.
  •   Comment Does this mean newspaper editor (Q17351648)? If so, how if it different from editor (P98)? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
    • @Pigsonthewing: I don't know, probably but I can't get much information from this item. There is no article to understand what it is and absolutely no definition in description of what it's supposed to mean. I proposed this property partly because it has a specific legal status. What I'm sure is that the two notions has different names in french (scientific editor and journal editor) - and distinct definitions can be found ( http://www.eurekoi.org/quelle-difference-y-a-t-il-entre-un-directeur-de-publication-dune-part-et-un-editeur-scientifique-dautre-part/ ) :
      scientific editor
      Personne ou collectivité responsable du contenu intellectuel de l’édition d’un document, quel que soit son support_: édition critique d’un texte, édition d’un ouvrage collectif, etc. => person or organisation who is responsible for the intellectual content of the edition of a document, whatever the support : critic edition of a text, edition of a collective work, ... (translation almost word for word as I'm not sure I understand every subtlety of the original)
      journal editor
      someone responsible of the editions of a journal [...]
      But digging a little more we can find arguments for the specialized denomination for newspaper of a similar role : in this human sciences help for publication : Si la responsabilité principale incombe à un éditeur scientifique sa fonction est indiquée par l'abréviation "éd.", entourée ou non par parenthèses. NB. Il n'y a pas de raison de différencier le directeur de publication par l'abréviation "dir." : le directeur de publication est effectivement un éditeur scientifique. => in bold, there is no reason to differentiate the director of publication by "dir." : the director is in effect a science editor".
      So maybe it's enough to add an alias and to put a different label in each infoboxes indeed. author  TomT0m / talk page 19:46, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment. Maybe can we use the newly created significant person (P3342)? But this is just a suggestion to let you know that such an option is now available. Thierry Caro (talk) 20:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  •   Comment This proposal appears to abandoned? Thryduulf (talk) 22:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
  •   Comment I don't know in other countries, but in France, the director of publication (Q3029421) of a journal/newspaper/revue is not someone who edits articles. S/h/e is the person who assumes the legal responsability for the publication of an article. i.e. the person who will be in court (and possibly in jail) if the publication is sued... that's is a legal function, not an editorial function. In some cases, in small publications, the same person can be director of publication (Q3029421) and editor (P98) at the same time, but those are 2 very different responsabilities. --Hsarrazin (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 16:18, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
  •   Support, for French titles. Thierry Caro (talk) 15:54, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose, use employer (P108) with position held (P39) as qualifier. --Yair rand (talk) 16:58, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
  •   Oppose, use editor (P98) with qualifier for specific legal status -- JakobVoss (talk) 19:59, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
    @JakobVoss: Bad idea, lot of qualifiers required, always the same, to spare just one property ?? Makes editing harder for no reason. author  TomT0m / talk page 16:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Source MetaData ChristianKl (talk) 20:11, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

  •   Oppose per JakobVoss and Yair rand − Pintoch (talk) 16:50, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Pintoch, JakobVoss, Yair rand, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Hsarrazin, Thryduulf: @ArthurPSmith, Tubezlob, Pigsonthewing, TomT0m: Not done, given that the last three votes are oppose votes this property is not going to see consensus for creation and it doesn't have to stay anotehr year in this state. If you still feel there's a need, feel free to open a new one. ChristianKl () 13:42, 16 December 2017 (UTC)