Wikidata:Property proposal/HiSCoD

HiSCoD id edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: HiSCoD ID (P11157) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a riot or other event in the Historical Social Conflict Database
Represents	revolt (Q6107280)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	émeute à Veckring le 16 février 1746^(Q111395986) ==> HISCOD_JN_7476 ==> JN_7476
Example 2	émeute à Warcq le 14 octobre 1781^(Q111395995) ==> HISCOD_JN_7768 ==> JN_7768
Example 3	émeute à Caussade le 14 septembre 1761^(Q111396004) ==> HISCOD_JN_3561 ==> JN_3561
Example 4	émeute à Cahors le 13 juillet 1780^(Q111396011) ==> HISCOD_JN_1804 ==> JN_1804
Example 5	émeute de 1812^(Q3588236) → EMPH_0855
Planned use	Préparation d'une future importation de la base de données HiSCoD
Formatter URL	https://pdnprod.unicaen.fr/hiscod/ead.html?id=HISCOD&c=HISCOD_$1
Wikidata project	WikiProject France (Q10816832)

Motivation edit

Préparation d'une future importation de la base de données HiSCoD : bdd sur des révoltes dans l'histoire française (paysans, chouans, etc).

. Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 10:27, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Notified participants of WikiProject France

@Bouzinac: Hi - your examples, like 'HISCOD_JN_7476' should be wikidata items associated with that identifier, the identifier is then the value of the property for that item. Identifiers identify items. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:52, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but when there is no items, how to handle that pb

SELECT ?revolte ?revolteLabel ?date WHERE {SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } ?revolte (wdt:P31/(wdt:P279*)) wd:Q49773. ?revolte wdt:P585|wdt:P580 ?date. filter (year(?date) in(1788,1789) ).}

Try it!

Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 20:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be in favor of this proposal if @Bouzinac: can fix the proposal and add Wikidata items as suggested by ArthurPSmith. --Hannes Röst (talk) 15:38, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've settled some examples. Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 15:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bouzinac, Hannes Röst: Thanks for the further detail here. Are you sure there aren't any previously existing Wikidata items that would be covered? These seem like events that should have at least some of them covered in Wikipedias. I've added an English description and created a formatter URL. I trimmed off the HISCOD_JN_ prefix as that seems to be common, but perhaps not? I notice that on the pages themselves the ID listed doesn't have the "HISCOD_" prefix, for example just showing "JN_7476". ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:41, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree it would be great if there were some unrests for which we already have items. --Hannes Röst (talk) 18:13, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, please note the Hiscod unrest are very modest for most of them. Just found out that Riot of 1812 (Q3588236) which could have been related to https://www.unicaen.fr/hiscod/ead.html?id=HISCOD&c=HISCOD_EMPH_0855&qid=sdx_q17 just saying Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 18:20, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support Looks good to me if you guys are happy with it! ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:56, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; I'd be cautious about the formatter URL (see HISCOD_EMPH_0855 and alike) Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 18:34, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Got it - better now? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:00, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Anyone else having thoughts ? Bouzinac ^{💬●✒️●💛} 19:23, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Deansfa (talk) 22:28, 22 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Bouzinac, ArthurPSmith, Hannes Röst, Deansfa:

Done HiSCoD ID (P11157) Pamputt (talk) 13:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]