Wikidata:Property proposal/KinoWiki ID
Kinowiki ID edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place
| Description | page on the German Kinowiki, a website about old and new cinema buildings in Germany and elsewhere in Europe |
|---|---|
| Represents | Kinowiki (Q105959356) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | movie theater (Q41253) |
| Example 1 | Filmbühne (Q98950086) → Anklam_Filmbühne_(Lichtspiele) (old URL); new URL http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=Anklam_Filmb%C3%BChne_(Lichtspiele) not working as of March 14, 2021 |
| Example 2 | Filmtheater (Q50843749) → Arnsdorf_Filmtheater (old URL); new URL http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=Arnsdorf_Filmtheater not working as of March 14, 2021 |
| Example 3 | Mephisto (Q50843391) → Augsburg_Mephisto,_City (old URL); new URL http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=Augsburg_Mephisto,_City not working as of March 14, 2021 |
| Source | http://filmtheater.square7.ch/wiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite (old URL); http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite (new URL) not working as of March 14, 2021 |
| Planned use | converting the 1500 extant links on Wikidata (to filmtheater.square7.de) from described at URL (P973) to this new property, later creating new Wikidata items |
| Number of IDs in source | thousands |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| Formatter URL | http://filmtheater.square7.ch/wiki/index.php?title=$1 (old URL); new URL http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=$1 does not work as of March 14, 2021 |
| Robot and gadget jobs | converting the 1500 extant links on Wikidata from P973 to this new property |
| See also | Cinema Treasures ID (P4129), Kinoliste ID (P4981), Carthalia ID (P5652) |
Motivation edit
Wikidata is strong on cinema buildings (with the CinemaTreasures property mainly for the US and a couple of other properties), and there are already 1500 links (see https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?target=http%3A%2F%2Ffilmtheater.square7.de&title=Special%3ALinkSearch ) from Wikidata to the German KinoWiki. IMHO it is the number one site for information mainly about closed, demolished and obscure cinemas in Germany. Especially noteworthy is that countless historic cinema address books have been mined for address and ownership information which is given for each cinema. The KinoWiki is a private site that has changed its servers, I think, twice in its history, so it would be a great help to have a link formatter instead of having to change all those links (and maybe again...). At the moment, all those links are dead (since the old server seems to have stopped working as of today), but most can be fixed by just changing to the new URL. That said, the new site is at this very moment still unstable, spam-ridden and has had a major problem with importing pages with Umlaut in the title (naturally, quite a lot with those German names), so hundereds of pages there will need to be moved (I already did this for a few, being a a user on this Wiki, and after that our links work again). Also, the images there don't work yet. I am confident that the site owner will be able to sort out these problems soon, as he has always done in the past. This property proposal may seem a bit premature (as these bugs are not sorted out yet), but I want to prevent all those links on Wikidata to be deleted as dead links, since it was a such lot of work (mostly mine) to match our items with the KinoWiki. --Anvilaquarius (talk) 17:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Discussion edit
Support and 
Wait I think the links should be saved and transferred to the new domain, but lets wait until the new server is stable and up and running with images and all. --Hannes Röst (talk)
WikiProject Movies has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead. --- Jura 09:59, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Until the server issues are sorted out, we could point to archived versions of the pages. Trivialist (talk) 11:02, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- Support Wallacegromit1 (talk) 18:56, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Hannes Röst, Trivialist, Wallacegromit1: do you need to wait longer ? Are there still server issues? Pamputt (talk) 18:05, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
- The links in the examples go to a "Database error" page. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 08:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
- The old URL for Kinowiki, http://filmtheater.square7.ch/wiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite still works, but the new one http://www.hifi-archiv.info/Kinowiki/index.php?title=Hauptseite still does not. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support — MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 13:12, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support, an important property for art.--Arbnos (talk) 13:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support --Gymnicus (talk) 20:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment The "new" site is still not responding to these URL's as of mid-January 2022. @Anvilaquarius, Hannes Röst: Also it seems these are both mediawiki wiki's, so it may be better to rely on the numeric id's for pages rather than the names (with umlaut's etc). I think this proposal needs to be retired and a new proposal made on what you actually think will work for this long term. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:14, 26 January 2022 (UTC)- @Anvilaquarius, Hannes Röst, Jura1, Wallacegromit1, UWashPrincipalCataloger, Arbnos:
Done: Kinowiki ID (P10593) —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 18:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
@Anvilaquarius, Hannes Röst, Jura1, Wallacegromit1, UWashPrincipalCataloger, Arbnos: because this website uses MediaWiki, what about using a numerical identifier (called curid) instead of a plain text? For example, we would have 3402 for Filmbühne (Q98950086). The advantage is the numerical identifier is stable even if the page is renamed. To find this number, we have to use this URL http://filmtheater.square7.ch/wiki/index.php?title=TITLE&action=info where we have to replace TITLE by the page title (for example "Anklam Filmbühne (Lichtspiele)") and then, we find the number in the field "Page ID". If you agree to use such identifier, I can modify the property. See Wikisimpsons article ID (P10291) for one example with numerical identifier. Pamputt (talk) 12:35, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is an excellent idea, and what has been done for many other wikis. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 18:39, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Perfect I have done the modification. It should be enabled in 24-48 hours. Pamputt (talk) 15:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)