Wikidata:Property proposal/Library classifications' IDs for topics

Library classifications' IDs for topics

Dewey Decimal Classification

Option A

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Not done

Description	subject classification identifier
Represents	Dewey Decimal Classification (Q48460)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	\d{3}|\d{3}\.\d+|[12456]--\d+|3[ABC]?--\d+
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → 300
Example 2	art (Q735) → 700
Example 3	radio communications (Q872) → 791.44
Example 4	Finland (Q33) → 2--4897
Source	https://www.oclc.org/en/dewey/resources.html (and others to be copied from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Dewey Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8359) (Talk and documentation)

Description	DDC number assigned to a publication
Represents	Dewey Decimal Classification (Q48460)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	\d{3}|\d{3}\.\d+|[12456]--\d+|3[ABC]?--\d+
Example 1	Detto del gatto lupesco (Q19128645) → 851.1
Example 2	America (Paris) (Q19851135) → 306.098
Example 3	Who's who in France (Online) (Q19983442) → 920.044
Example 4	Postcolonial Gothic Fictions from the Caribbean, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (Q20592194) → 823.0872909
Source	https://www.oclc.org/en/dewey/resources.html (and others to be copied from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Library of Congress Classification

Option A

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Not done

Description	subject classification identifier used in the Library of Congress Classification system
Represents	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	[A-Z]{1,3}(\d+(\.\d+)?( *\.[A-Z]{0,3}\d+([ -]\.?[A-Z]{0,3}\d+)?)?( *\d+[a-z]*)?)?
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → H
Example 2	Augustine of Hippo (Q8018) → BR1720.A9
Example 3	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080) → Z696.U4-Z696.U7
Source	https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeLCC/freelcc.html#About (and others to be copied from Library of Congress Classification (P1149))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Library of Congress Classification (P1149) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Library of Congress Classification (works and editions) (P8360) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Library of Congress Classification number assigned to a publication
Represents	Library of Congress Classification (Q621080)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	[A-Z]{1,3}(\d+(\.\d+)?( *\.[A-Z]{0,3}\d+([ -]\.?[A-Z]{0,3}\d+)?)?( *\d+[a-z]*)?)?
Example 1	Southern Cross (Q17156005) → Z239.2 R58 1951h
Example 2	Existentialistische Marx-Interpretation (Q17416765) → B945.M2983 E9
Example 3	The Drunkard's Walk (Q18011319) → QA273.M63 2008
Source	https://www.loc.gov/aba/publications/FreeLCC/freelcc.html#About (and others to be copied from Library of Congress Classification (P1149))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Library of Congress Classification (P1149) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Universal Decimal Classification

Option A

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Not done

Description	type of library classification
Represents	Universal Decimal Classification (Q243350)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	not written works and editions
Allowed values	((\=|\-|\`|\(|\(\=|\*|\+|\:{1,2}|\")?\d{1,3}(\.\d{1,3})*(\)|\")?)+
Example 1	social science (Q34749) → 3
Example 2	sociology of culture (Q1570681) → 316.7
Example 3	politics (Q7163) → 32
Source	http://www.udcc.org/udcsummary/php/index.php (and another to be copied from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page, plus Regensburg Classification (P1150), Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748)

Option B

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Universal Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8361) (Talk and documentation)

Description	UDC number assigned to a publication
Represents	Universal Decimal Classification (Q243350)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	((\=|\-|\`|\(|\(\=|\*|\+|\:{1,2}|\")?\d{1,3}(\.\d{1,3})*(\)|\")?)+
Example 1	Unequal catch : gender and fisheries on the Lake Victoria landing sites in Tanzania (Q55739133) → 001(6)
Example 2	Mis montañas (Q56643531) → 821.134.2(82)-992
Example 3	Introduction to Probability (Q63166569) → 519.2
Source	http://www.udcc.org/udcsummary/php/index.php (and another to be copied from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190))
Planned use	Transfer pertinent values from Universal Decimal Classification (P1190) (originally designed for topics, not works)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Robot and gadget jobs	See planned use
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Regensburg Classification

Option B

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: Regensburg Classification (works and editions) (P8362) (Talk and documentation)

Description	RVK number assigned to a publication
Represents	Regensburg Classification (Q2137453)
Data type	String
Domain	only written works and editions
Allowed values	(LD,)?[A-Z]([A-Z]( [0-9]+([a-z]|\.[0-9]+)?( [A-Z][0-9]*)?)?)?( - [A-Z]([A-Z]( [0-9]+([a-z]|\.[0-9]+)?( [A-Z][0-9]*)?)?)?)?
Example 1	Postcolonial Gothic Fictions from the Caribbean, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (Q20592194) → HP1145
Example 2	Southern cross (Q95961758) → HU 9800
Example 3	Existentialistische Marx-Interpretation (Q17416765) → CI 3882, MC 811, CG 5357, MS 4715, CC 7910 and CI 3884
Example 4	Wittgenstein. Tractatus (comments, 2001) (Q95949110) → CI 5017 and CI 5015
Source	http://rvk.uni-regensburg.de
Planned use	Slow manual addition (see comments of Nstrc)
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
See also	See the other properties in this page (Option B)

Motivation

Previous discussions: Wikidata:Identifier migration/1#good to convert; Property talk:P1036#Distinct value constraint and conversion to external-id datatype

So, this is a major problem:

• The three previous properties where originally designed to be used on topic-pages (as the proposals and the examples demonstrate) as external identifiers, in order to show that one topic is attributed a single identifier in one classification (e.g. social science (Q34749) is designed as 300 or H or 3). Obviously these properties have unique value constraint. The fact that these properties should have external-id datatype (because they are external identifiers) and should have unique value constraint is demonstrated by the fact that Chinese Library Classification (P1189) and Basisklassifikation (P5748) have these characteristics, just as Regensburg Classification (P1150) (ready to be converted) and Colon Classification (ready to be created).
• However, these three properties have been widely used not to indicate the correspondence between a topic-item on Wikidata and a topic in these classifications, but to classify single works and editions. This is the reason of the high number of unique constraint violations, which prevented their conversion from datatype string to datatype external-id.

Now, given that:

• external-id datatype and unique value constraint are appropriate to properties matching topic-item to topic in classification
• string datatype and no unique value constraint are appropriate to properties matching single work-item or edition-item to classification

it is evident that three new properties are needed.

Given that the old properties are widely used in work-items and edition-items,

• it is probably more convenient (option A, according to which I compiled the boxes above) moving to the three new properties here proposed the topic-values, so that the old properties maintain the string datatype while the new properties assume the external-id datatype and inherit the unique value constraint, which will be removed from the old ones;
• obviously, if for some reason you consider better to keep topics in the old properties, it is possible the opposite (option B): creating the new properties with string datatype and no unique value constraint and moving to them work-values and edition-values, then migrating the old properties to external-id datatype.

Please vote explicitly for option A or B; if not specified, the vote will be considered for A, according to which I compiled the boxes above. Epìdosis 22:21, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Jason.nlw VIGNERON Delphine Dallison Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) Louize5 Ijon Susanna Giaccai BeatrixBelibaste Simon Cobb LadyofShalott Epìdosis Alexmar983 Mlemusrojas HelsKRW (talk) 09:55, 8 June 2020 (UTC) Blrtg1 (talk) 11:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC) Pvperez1 (talk) 17:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC) Zblace (talk) 06:21, 11 November 2021 (UTC) Skim Tris T7 ^{TT me}
Madamebiblio Olugold Rhagfyr Maxime Mfchris84 Pierre Tribhou SEgt-WMF

Notified participants of WikiProject Libraries --Epìdosis 22:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Iwan.Aucamp (talk) 21:48, 3 October 2019 (UTC) Epìdosis (talk) 23:49, 22 November 2019 (UTC) Sotho Tal Ker (talk) 00:52, 1 May 2020 (UTC) Bargioni (talk) 09:48, 02 May 2020 (UTC) Carlobia (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 03:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC) Matlin (talk) 10:53, 6 July 2020 (UTC) Msuicat (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC) Uomovariabile (talk) 10:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Silva Selva (talk) 17:21, 30 November 2020 (UTC) 1-Byte (talk) 15:52, 14 December 2020 (UTC) Alessandra.Moi (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2021 (UTC) CamelCaseNick (talk) 21:20, 20 February 2021 (UTC) Songceci (talk) 18:45, 24 February 2021 (UTC)]] moz (talk) 10:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC) AhavaCohen (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2021 (UTC) Kolja21 (talk) 17:37, 13 March 2021 (UTC) RShigapov (talk) 14:34, 19 September 2021 (UTC) Jason.nlw (talk) 15:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC) MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 20:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC) Newt713 (talk) 08:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC) Pierre Tribhou (talk) 08:00, 20 March 2022 (UTC) Powerek38 (talk) 17:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC) Ahatd (talk) 08:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC) JordanTimothyJames (talk) 00:54, 31 August 2022 (UTC) --Silviafanti (talk) 17:07, 14 September 2022 (UTC) Back ache (talk) 02:03, 1 November 2022 (UTC) AfricanLibrarian (talk) M.roszkowski (talk) 10:44, 4 January 2023 (UTC) Rhagfyr (talk) 19:36, 9 January 2023 (UTC) — Haseeb (talk) 13:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC) 沈澄心✉ 13:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC) MrBenjo (talk) 15:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control --Epìdosis 22:26, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

--Epìdosis 22:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

--Epìdosis 22:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jura1: suggested a very interesting comparison between these three cases and Iconclass notation (P1256)/depicts Iconclass notation (P1257), which is worth mentioning here. --Epìdosis 17:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Discussion

• Oppose all If exiting properties are being misused, the incorrect uses should be removed (or migrated to new properties; by a bot if necessary). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:49, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

  @Pigsonthewing: In fact option B is actually proposing that the incorrect uses should be "migrated to new properties". Which is the problem? --Epìdosis 22:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

• It took me some minutes to read carefully this issue that I did not know and I  Support the effort. I trust the first procedural option if it easier.--Alexmar983 (talk) 23:27, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
• In general, it seems like it is more important to maintain the principle that properties' meanings should not change, than to change them (and break all of the entity-matching that had been done using the intended property meaning) just because there are misuses. If at all practicable, Option B actually seems like the better solution to me, even if it is more work for Wikidata. Dominic (talk) 23:46, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
• Hard question, thanks Epìdosis to look into that. If I understood everything correctly, I think I prefer the option B which is a bit harder but cleaner. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:10, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
• Very important issue to be fixed as soon as possible. Thank you Epìdosis. I would prefer Option B, even if it will take more efforts to be developed. --Carlobia (talk) 09:56, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Question these three properties have been widely used not to indicate the correspondence between a topic-item on Wikidata and a topic in these classifications

  Do we really *need* to represent those relationship ? If it’s the case that Wikidata knows that a topic is a subtopic of another one, using an existing hierarchical property like subclass of (P279) or something … If algebra is a subtopic of mathematics, and mathematics are say 500 in dewey classification, then algebra could be classified as 500 naturally. Are’nt most if not all of those statements just a variant of this argument hence redundant or worse, harmful ? Could not we instead write a few queries to retrieve the same information and build a better wikidata-ish topic classification, justified (sourced) by the topic relationship in external classifications ? author  TomT0m / talk page 11:02, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

  @TomT0m: I substantially agree, but I don't understand which consequence you are drawing from the reasoning: algebra (Q3968)Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036)"512", so cannot be inferred from mathematics (Q395)Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036)"500". Are you maybe saying that we can delete all library-classification-statements from work items since we can leave them only in topic items, linking to them with main subject (P921)? This would seem reasonable to me, but cannot be done in a simple way, so it would be better first migrating to a new property the IDs in work items and then gradually substituting these new properties with main subject (P921) whenever possible. --Epìdosis 11:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

•  Support I slightly prefer option (A) but one way or another I do believe this needs to be sorted out. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:28, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Support. I vote for option B. -- Bargioni 🗣 18:00, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
•  Support. I agree with ArthurPSmith. Option A is a better choice. --Csisc (talk) 01:52, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Let's summarize: as of now, there are 5 votes for option B (Dominic, VIGNERON, Carlobia, Bargioni and I, since I've been convinced by VIGNERON), 6 with the unclear vote of Pigsonthewing (who said "migrated to new properties"), against 3 votes for option A (Alexmar983, ArthurPSmith, Csisc). If there is no other vote, I think we can proceed on Tuesday 26th enacting option B. --Epìdosis 17:11, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

 Support the conversion (either A or B) but with some clarifications (@Epìdosis: please consider):

• The Work props should also be external-id NOT string, simply without Single-value or Unique constraints. Consider that depicts Iconclass notation (P1257) is an external-id. This will allow us to have the nice external links
• The prop names should mention the system (as in A), eg "Dewey's topic", "Dewey's classification for work", "UDC topic", "UDC classification for work". We should not use generic names that can be confusing --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 09:51, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

  @Vladimir Alexiev: Very good objections, thanks! I effectively agree about datatype (always external-id), I've updated the boxes above; I will clarify labels and descriptions post-creation, of course! --Epìdosis 09:56, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

  • depicts Iconclass notation (P1257) has string-datatype, not external-id. Links should be possible for string properties as well. --- Jura 13:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

  OK, restored string datatype for IDs of single works. --Epìdosis 14:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Library classifications and main subject (P921)

Sorry, I'm too late for the party, otherwise I might have  Oppose. The existing library classification properties such as Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036)} are to be used on topics. They should be migrated from datatype string to datatype external-identifier (A, but no new properties). Does the the proposal B imply to create a second twin property for each library classification property? Do you know there are hundreds of library classifications out there. What makes the three above so special? I'd prefer to use main subject (P921) instead. -- JakobVoss (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

@JakobVoss: Yes, proposal B, substantially approved with no contrary votes, implies creating a second twin property for these three library classification properties. I understand your objection: using main subject (P921) would be better. For this reason, it is our intention not to allow using other library classification properties on publications. Unfortunately, these three have been widely used on publications, so we think it's better to "save" these regrettable uses transferring them to new IDs, which (I think) can be gradually dismissed substituting them with appropriate main subject (P921). Proposal B can be viewed just as a transition towards the elimination of library-classification properties on publications, in order to supersede them with main subject (P921). I hope you can agree with this clarification. Good night,

--Epìdosis 21:44, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Library classifications do not (necessarily) refer only on the subjects of works. E.g.

* LCC B2 is philosophical "Periodicals. Serials. French and Belgian"

* LCC B21 is philosophical "Collected works (nonserial). English and American"

* B41 is philosophical "Dictionaries. English and American"

etc.

On the one hand it would be missleading to transform such classifications into values for main subject (P921).

On the other hand it would be a pity to loose such information and search option (i.e.: options for search strategies).

I would agree, that "LC Subjects" could be used as values for main subject (P921); but the classification of a certain book is an information for its own, because the class is part of a systematic (inter alia: hierarchial) structure.

--Nstrc (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nstrc: Thank you for the precisation! So, I can reformulate: "transition towards the elimination of library-classification properties on publications, in order to supersede them with main subject (P921) whenever appropriate; in the other cases library-classification properties will be retained on publications". --Epìdosis 15:44, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

But that would ruin the system of the library-classifications. - However, I'm convinced, that there is a general difference between an undefinite and unhierarchical quantity of key words (tags) [which could be used with main subject (P921)] and a definite list of classes.

The key words maybe better for a precise description of the book at issue; rather a definite list of classes is better for grouping books and finding similar books.

Cfr. as well Regensburger Verbundklassifikation (P1150) und Classification of edition items?. (Sorry, for the widespread statements. I learnt only step by step, that these are intertwined problems.)

--Nstrc (talk) 16:45, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nstrc: OK, maybe I'm not totally understanding your position. Are you suggesting that the same property (e.g. Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036)) should be used both for topics and for publications? --Epìdosis 16:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

I would agree with the distinction between the two kinds of usages (however, I do not realy understand, what is the sense and purpose of the usage for topics). My point is, that I would like to use library-classifications - and namely: as well Regensburg Classification (P1150) - for publications.

They are desigend for that; they are well established and they contain information, that should be not lost and which should be used for Wikidata as well.

--Nstrc (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

---

@Nstrc: You write "I would agree with the distinction between the two kinds of usages", so in fact you support option B. You say you want "to use library-classifications - and namely: as well Regensburg Classification (P1150) - for publications", so you need a twin property of Regensburg Classification for publications: I've added the proposal above, please add 4 examples. --Epìdosis 17:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Thank you. - Should I create hypothetical examples? Or should I search for items, where Regensburg Classification (P1150) is used for a certain publication yet, although it is not allowed [i.e.: searching for constraint voilations regarding Regensburg Classification (P1150)]?

--Nstrc (talk) 17:53, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Nstrc: As you prefer, both types of examples are fine. --Epìdosis 19:19, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@Epìdosis:

Examples for RVK

• For Postcolonial Gothic Fictions from the Caribbean, Canada, Australia and New Zealand (Q20592194)

it would be:

• HP 1145: Anglistik. Amerikanistik / Englischsprachige Literatur außerhalb der Britischen Inseln und der USA / Commonwealthliteratur, Postkoloniale Literatur, Neue Englischsprachige Literatur / Gattungsgeschichte / Epik, Erzählende Prosa

(source: https://kxp.k10plus.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=602029244)

• for Southern cross (Q95961758)

• HU 9800: Anglistik. Amerikanistik / Amerikanische Literatur / 20. Jahrhundert / Literaturgeschichte / Sonstige

(source: https://kxp.k10plus.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=336804237)

• for Existentialistische Marx-Interpretation (Q17416765)

• CI 3882: Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie des Abendlandes von Antike bis 20. Jahrhundert / Philosophie des 20. Jahrhunderts / Deutschland und deutschsprachige Länder / Autoren / Autoren M / Marcuse, Herbert / Teilsammlungen

• MC 8113: Politologie / Geschichte der politischen Philosophie und der Ideologien / Marxismus / Allgemeines / Marx, Karl / Einzelprobleme

• CG 5357: Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie des Abendlandes von Antike bis 20. Jahrhundert / Philosophie des 19. Jahrhunderts / Deutschland und deutschsprachige Gebiete / Autoren / Autoren M / Marx, Karl / Abhandlungen, Studien

• MS 4715: Soziologie / Spezielle Soziologien / Politische Soziologie / Marxismus, Materialismus

• CC 7910: Philosophie / Systematische Philosophie / Rechts-, Gesellschafts- und Staatsphilosophie / Marxismus, Marxismus-Leninismus, Kommunismus, Neomarxismus

• CI 3884: Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie des Abendlandes von Antike bis 20. Jahrhundert / Philosophie des 20. Jahrhunderts / Deutschland und deutschsprachige Länder / Autoren / Autoren M / Marcuse, Herbert / Einzelschriften

(source: https://kxp.k10plus.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=1628486317)

• for Wittgenstein. Tractatus (comments, 2001) (Q95949110)

• CI 5017

• CI 5015: Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie / Geschichte der Philosophie des Abendlandes von Antike bis 20. Jahrhundert / Philosophie des 20. Jahrhunderts / Deutschland und deutschsprachige Länder / Autoren / Autoren W / Wittgenstein, Ludwig / Kommentare zu einzelnen Werken

(source: https://kxp.k10plus.de/DB=2.1/PPNSET?PPN=321082443)

--Nstrc (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Class names

Let's follow Servizio Bibliotecario Nazionale

Especially I would appreciate, if we would do it in future times similar to SBN for the book Hegel et la pensée moderne:

• "Dewey · 193 (23.) FILOSOFIA OCCIDENTALE MODERNA. GERMANIA E AUSTRIA"

I.e.: Mentioning not only the class number, rather as well the class name - and linking the class number to a list of publlications, which are belonging to the same class. -

And the same regarding the other library-classifications.

--Nstrc (talk) 17:22, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Further example for the same 'style', GVG for the book Alice doesn't:

* Basisklassifikation: 24.31 (Systematische Filmwissenschaft)

--Nstrc (talk) 18:16, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Connecting library classification identifiers with labels and links to publications is a matter of queries and user interface design. It's enough to have class identifiers so the rest can be looked up via API depending on your needs (languages, type of catalog, publication etc.). For instance look up labels of Basisklassifikation 24.31. Try out https://coli-conc.gbv.de/cocoda/ for more APIs to library classification data. To query lists of books there are APIs as well. -- JakobVoss (talk) 13:50, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

@Nstrc: See this edit done via Cocoda. Select a Wikidata item on the left and a RVK class on the right, make sure to log in via Wikidata and to select Wikidata as mapping registry, so you can add RVK mappings to Wikidata while browsing both classification systems. I'd be very happy if you give it a try! -- JakobVoss (talk) 14:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

Conclusion

New summary: 6 votes for option B (Dominic, VIGNERON, Carlobia, Bargioni, Nstrc and I, since I've been convinced by VIGNERON), 7 with the unclear vote of Pigsonthewing (who said "migrated to new properties") and 8 with the vote of JakobVoss ("The existing library classification properties such as Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) are to be used on topics. They should be migrated from datatype string to datatype external-identifier (A, but no new properties).", which means that he supports the use of old properties as in proposal B, not A, while he opposes the creation of new properties at all), against 3 votes for option A (Alexmar983, ArthurPSmith, Csisc). As for consensus reached by option B, old properties have just been converted from "string" datatype to "external-id" datatype; so, for property creators, the 4 properties above are ready for creation, as a fulfillment of option B. --Epìdosis 22:36, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: so if I understand well, we should create a new property corresponding to the option B (Regensburg Classification). We have already Regensburg Classification (P1150) so I do not understand exactly what is the difference here. Pamputt (talk) 05:37, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Pamputt: The properties to be created are the four above marked as ready. The difference is that the four existing properties (having datatype external-id) should be used in items which are topics (there is a one-to-one correspondence between topic and ID), while the new to-be-created properties (having datatype string) should be used in items which are works (they indicate which is the topic treated by the work, so there isn't a one-to-one correspondence, as more works can treat the same topic). If you have other questions, obviously ask :) --Epìdosis 07:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: I've created Dewey Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8359). I am not sure to well understand the difference between Dewey Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8359) and Dewey Decimal Classification (P1036) so I let you fill it so that I can copy for the other properties. Pamputt (talk) 17:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

@Pamputt: Compiled ;-) --Epìdosis 18:50, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Dewey Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8359), Library of Congress Classification (works and editions) (P8360), Universal Decimal Classification (works and editions) (P8361) and Regensburg Classification (works and editions) (P8362) have been created. Pamputt (talk) 19:03, 19 June 2020 (UTC)