Wikidata:Property proposal/OTRS ticket number 2

Wikimedia OTRS ticket number edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects

Done: Wikimedia VRTS ticket number (P6305) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Wikimedia OTRS ticket number to connect files or wikidata items with email correspondence related to the copyrights.
Data type	External identifier
Template parameter	id in c:Template:PermissionOTRS
Domain	work (Q386724)
Allowed values	20((0[0-9])\|(1[0-6]))((0[1-9])\|(1[0-2]))((0[1-9])\|([1-2][0-9])\|(3[0-1]))\d{8}
Example 1	Ruins in Reninghe (Q19926393) → 2009082810037404
Example 2	Self-portrait (Q23047582) → 2007101810005895
Example 3	Structured Data for → 2012021710000834
Example 4	Structured Data for → 2009110210009325
Example 5	Structured Data for → 2009020810002589
Planned use	by Structured Data on Commons
Number of IDs in source	997 thousands pages call c:Template:PermissionOTRS template.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://ticket.wikimedia.org/otrs/index.pl?Action=AgentTicketZoom&TicketNumber=$1

Motivation

Property needed to associate files on Commons with OTRS ticket numbers. This should be mostly Commons-only property used by Structured Data on Commons, however some tickets might be for photographs or artworks well known enough to have their own item on Wikidata. See also Wikidata:Property_proposal/OTRS_ticket_number previous failed proposal for this property proposed by User:Snipre. --Jarekt (talk) 04:24, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Oppose The method of use is unclear and I do not think it is useful data for readers or even contributors David (talk) 08:05, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- David Perhaps I did not spell it all out. The method of use is clear: We have almost 1 million pages calling c:Template:PermissionOTRS template, and as part of Structured Data on Commons we need to move this information to wikidata-like structure on Commons. However many of the permissions in OTRS relate not to individual files but to artworks which have items on Wikidata, like Ruins in Reninghe (Q19926393) → 2009082810037404. For such items we need this property to correctly model copyright statement as discussed in Help:Copyrights. That is why I do not want to limit it to Commons only. --Jarekt (talk) 13:30, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - In that case, wouldn't it be better to describe the type of info these tickets should contain? --- Jura 13:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Jura You are right. Sitelinks of Wikimedia VRTS (Q4063423) describe the type of info these tickets should contain. I generalized it to "email correspondence related to the copyrights". On Commons it is usually standard form stating that "I the copyright holder release following works under following license...". I wonder if there is a way to add that to the template above. --Jarekt (talk) 15:19, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment we could limit the scope to mediainfo-entities (the new entity type to be used only by Commons). --- Jura 10:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support Obviously needed. Yann (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support I see the need for this. However, the label should be clear this is referring to a Wikimedia OTRS system, not to OTRS (Q369550) generally. ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:14, 18 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Good point. I will rename it. --Jarekt (talk) 13:31, 19 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Unless this is applied also to categories (for bulk donations) not just single works (for example: [1] (486 images) -> 2015020510014668). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:19, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Andy We do not have any control over what people donate to us, sometimes it is one photo and sometimes it is a whole category. If this property is going to replace current template based system on Commons than we need to be able to store info on both types of donations. --Jarekt (talk) 02:57, 25 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support It seems useful.--Micru (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support --LydiaPintscher (talk) 11:37, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Jarekt, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Yann, Micru, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing: @LydiaPintscher, Jura1: Done: Wikimedia VRTS ticket number (P6305). − Pintoch (talk) 08:32, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]