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Wikidata:Property proposal/Olympic.org ID

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Olympic.org ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports

Descriptionidentifier for a person, on the official Olympic website
Data typeExternal identifier
Template parameter|ID= in de:Vorlage:Olympic.org
Domainpeople
ExampleCarine Verbauwen (Q2616656) -> carine-verbauwen
Planned useverifying Olympians
Formatter URLhttps://www.olympic.org/$1
Motivation

Corroborating new enwiki article against nlwiki article for Carine Verbauwen (Q2616656). Prompted by seeing it's already in use on de:Vorlage:Olympic.org For (;;) (talk) 19:33, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion
  •   Support - and I think we should expedite this, given the ongoing event in Brazil. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:26, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support I mean, why not? PokestarFan (talk) 22:16, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support As soon as possible... Strakhov (talk) 22:20, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hmm, I don't know. We have Sports Reference id, which (in many cases?) IMHO is much more better source and is already very widely used here (on more than 90tk athlete pages, ok - some 1000 are invalid ids, but that is another story). Let's compare Michael, which olympic.org profile is this. Yes, olympic.org profile is more colorful, but SR really has more info. And note, that in dewiki it's used mainly for "Country in Olympics" articles. So I would probably support, if this wouldn't be meant only for people, but for everything: Olympic Games items, sports, athletes, countries, discipline results. --Edgars2007 (talk) 00:01, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Doubts! I made a random check of Mens Basketball in 1992, and all it told was that Venezuela came as No 11. -- Innocent bystander (talk) 08:35, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Weak oppose   Oppose as like Innocent bystander and Edgars2007 I'm really not sure how useful this reference really is - compare olympic.org and Sports-Reference.com results for Greg Searle (Q1545412). The only information about Women's Curling at the 2006 Winter Olympics is that Canada participated in the bronze medal match, and that the result was 11-5. Thryduulf (talk) 09:32, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment Regardless the fact this site provides less information... I'd say one is an ad-free site published by International Olympic Committee ('official' stuff —breathtaking, isn't it?—) and the other an ad-full site published by Sports Reference LLC, a member of Fox Sports engage network. I really do not know if that makes a difference here, but I'm sure "Olympic.org ID" is "authority control" on this matter. Strakhov (talk) 10:42, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support - (basically the same as Strakhov above - but caught in an an edit conflict...) since olympic.org is the website of the IoC - presumably this is the official record of a person/team's involvement at the Olympic Games. Sports-Reference may well have more information, but the info on a person's Olympic involvement would presumably originally have come from the IoC. The Olympic.org ID would be the ultimate reference to support a statement that a person/team has competed at the Olympics. Robevans123 (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm sure the IOC is the authority on who competed in what when, but Olympic.org cannot, currently at least, be used to verify almost all such statements as the information is not present. I agree that philosphically the IOC is a much better match to Wikimedian values than Fox Sports but in practical terms quality, comprehensiveness and utility are at least as important and Olympic.org is seriously lacking in the latter two at least. Thryduulf (talk) 12:00, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I partially agree, and some entries are, in fact, pretty dissapointing. But as far as I know, external ID's proposals are not like a competition "leave-the-worse-behind,-keep-only-the-best". And kinda future development in IOC official page is ...expectable. I think if we (in the end: next year, after six months...) are gonna approve this property better sooner (basically right now) than later for Wikidata. Strakhov (talk) 14:46, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
        • If this was en.wp I'd simply reply here with a link to w:WP:CRYSTAL. I don't think that "expected to be good in the future" is of sufficient value to add this property now. If it is significantly improved in 3, 6, 12, whenever months then propose it again and it'll very likely be unanimously approved, but until that point see my comment below. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
          • I'd do the same with m:Eventualism. :) I perfectly understand your point. though. Anyways, if this property is not approved (not big business, one way or another) sure it won't be me the one proposing it again. Sport sucks. Strakhov (talk) 20:20, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support, and I didn't know we have some requirements that the site should contain a lot of useful info. Having the official website of the Olympic Committee is enough already. --Stryn (talk) 14:44, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Certainly we don't for official website (P856) but I thought the point of linking to external authorities was that they function as high quality repositories for additional resources/information that Wikidata is not in the business of providing. Otherwise why do we even both proposing external ID properties and not just create a link to any old website? At present Olympic.org provides less information than a Wikidata, and does so in a less structured manner. Thryduulf (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Weak oppose I see no statement on the website that such a thing as an Olympic.org ID exists. An idea isn't simply the end of a link. ChristianKl (talk) 20:15, 13 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support. Thierry Caro (talk) 07:29, 14 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've marked this as ready, per Wikidata:Project chat#Expediting Olympic.org ID. The principles at en:WP:SNOWBALL also apply. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:25, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But what then will be the scope of this prop? Only people or everything (people, instances of Olympics, event pages etc.)? --Edgars2007 (talk) 16:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is specified not just once, but twice, in the proposal. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm just making sure. --Edgars2007 (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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