Wikidata:Property proposal/RAL ID

RAL ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Not done

Description	RAL ID from the RAL Classic color system
Data type	External identifier
Domain	RAL classic color (Q17421658)
Allowed values	\d{4}
Example 1	RAL 1001 (Q35793728) → 1001
Example 2	RAL 2002 (Q13358072) → 2002
Example 3	RAL 3009 (Q35802922) → 3009
Example 4	RAL 4005 (Q35806720) → 4005
Source	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RAL_colors
Number of IDs in source	~243
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
See also	Pantone color ID (P9094), CSS color keyword (P8112), sRGB color hex triplet (P465), Colour Index International constitution ID (P2027)

Motivation edit

Rename all RAL colors and possibly merge them with other color entities without loosing information. This could then also possibly be used as a quantifier for sRGB color hex triplet (P465) to determine which of the given HEX codes matches the RAL color. I'm not sure about merging some items, in general I would like to gather some input on this topic. First step is do have the property :) --DaSch (talk) 19:46, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Comment I don't understand your proposal. The value of the property is the (English) label? Is there a formatter URL? How is this an identifier? Couldn't you just use name (P2561) or official name (P1448) for this? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:17, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Well it's like a cataloge for colors that also have a name. Currently they are all put into the Q as an alias. So the actucal name of the color should be used as the label and the identifier. Sadly there is no URL formatter as there are no distinct pages for every color available. They are all on one URL: https://www.ral-farben.de/inhalt/anwendung-hilfe/alle-ral-farbnamen/uebersicht-ral-classic-farben.html --DaSch (talk) 21:04, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but I think you should do a proposal for RAL ID, and other for RAL name. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 05:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Just repeats the label/ official name, and too few in number. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I think this property is important to enable easy identification of colours, for example with automatic identification. I do however think that the prefix RAL should be removed, as this is obsolete and if used as (external) identifier, an URL will likely not be http:...RAL 1001 but http:...&id=1001. I agree with Tinker Bell that there also should be a separate property for the RAL name. Romaine (talk) 13:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think RAL 3009 (Q35802922)code (P3295)"3009"encoding (P3294)RAL colour system (Q369074) would be perfectly suitable. --Emu (talk) 11:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Emu and Andy --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 10:38, 15 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support with the removal of the "RAL" prefix which I've updated in the proposal. I've also added some similar properties to "see also" showing that there is a precedent for creating a property for the code used in a colour scheme to uniquely identify a colour. I don't think code (P3295) would be a good parent property for this one. catalog code (P528) looks more applicable as a parent property, but that appears limited to books/libraries. --Dhx1 (talk) 08:32, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@DaSch, ArthurPSmith, Tinker Bell, Pigsonthewing, Romaine, Emu:, @Vladimir Alexiev, Dhx1: Not done: there is no evidence and consensus about the need for a property. —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]