Wikidata:Property proposal/Scottish Buildings at Risk ID
Scottish Buildings at Risk ID edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place
| Description | identifier for a building or structure in the Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland |
|---|---|
| Represents | Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland (Q16150708) |
| Data type | External identifier |
| Domain | architectural structure (Q811979) |
| Allowed values | \d+ |
| Example 1 | Leith, Dock Place, Winches And Capstans, Swing Bridge And Lock Gates Including Turning Platforms (Q56448343) → 1042279 |
| Example 2 | The Castle, 29 Caroline Street, Forres (Q56633430) → 933358 |
| Example 3 | Jardine Hall, Stable Block (Q17571326) → 909839 |
| Example 4 | Gartnavel Royal Hospital (Q5524426) → 915791 |
| Example 5 | Cambusnethan House (Q1028380) → 896564 |
| Source | via search at https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk (some faceting needed, eg by input date [1], as search will be return no more than 500 entries in one go; the date search will also make it easy to identify new items in future that should update the set) |
| Planned use | It should be possible to rapidly match many entries based on their Historic Environment Scotland ID (P709) values. |
| Number of IDs in source | 2227 |
| Expected completeness | nearly complete (given that the register is always being added to; it may also not be possible to match some buildings since demolished) |
| Formatter URL | https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/details/$1 |
| See also | Historic Environment Scotland ID (P709), Canmore ID (P718) |
| Applicable "stated in"-value | Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland (Q16150708) |
| Single-value constraint | exceptions may exist (if a large listed complex contains multiple different parts, individually at risk; separable by subject named as (P1810)) |
| Distinct-values constraint | exceptions may exist (if wikidata contains multiple items within a complex, the whole of which is considered at risk; separable by identifier shared with (P4070)) |
Motivation edit
The Buildings at Risk Register for Scotland (Q16150708) is a rich resource of information about Listed Buildings in Scotland at risk from dereliction, decay, or neglect. Together with identifying that sites we have items for may be in a precarious state, it can provide extensive additional photography and information, beyond that available at Canmore or as part of the listing information at Historic Scotland.
Approving and populating this property would be a valuable addition to our external IDs, and to the links we provide from eg Commons infoboxes. It would also be a useful reference for state of conservation (P5816) statements.
Note. (1) The ID proposed here is the number used in the online URLs (which can take different forms, depending on how the entry has been searched for, but each has this ID somewhere in the middle, and the simple form always works as well). As well as this there is also a 'Reference No' listed in the data fiche for each entry, but that appears to be a different number, not the subject of this property. (2) Buildings are moved off the register when they are brought back into active use, or when they are demolished. The organisation keeps separate 'saved' and 'demolished' registers, but these appear not to be online, and urls for such buildings are then no longer be operative. IDs for such buildings should be retained, but marked with an end time (P582) qualifier (and end cause (P1534), if ascertainable). Jheald (talk) 13:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Discussion edit
- Proposed. Jheald (talk) 17:22, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment I kind of like infrastructure, and I kind of like old shxt. Still, this website only has 2K entries and seems a little bit biased. I take it that owners of buildings intentionally let them deteriorate because they are not interested in preserving them in their original state, and so that would mean a good number of these will not be preserved regardless of how you might feel about it. I'll respectfully refrain from voting. Infrastruktur (talk) 20:00, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Of course, you're free to make (or not make) your !vote as you like. For the record, it's maybe worth noting that this is a site and a list maintained by an official government agency -- it's not a "name and shame" list got together by some fringe group with an axe to grind. For me I think these links would be particularly worth having because of the additional material they tend to give about the places, as well as of course about their current state of conservation. Also worth noting that list seems relatively stable, with comparatively few entries entering or leaving each year. Jheald (talk) 15:58, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support. It's a Scottish Government Historic Environment Site, has a wealth of information lacking from HES and Canmore listings. Will be easy to complete, complements Historic Environment Scotland ID (P709) & Canmore ID (P718). Scottish heritage protected site items are amongst the best developed on WD, and this will drive further improvement. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:24, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Support. 2,000 is sufficient for a property and the allegation of "bias" is spurious. 20:50, 4 September 2022 (UTC)Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits- Support. The value of the proposed property is abundantly clear. Richard Nevell (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
- Support BrokenSegue (talk) 04:04, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
