Wikidata:Property proposal/Sports

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GeneralEdit

Championat.com IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionидентификатор команды, спортивного объекта или игрока на сайте Чемпионат (ru) – (Please translate this into English.)
Representsno label (Q4508871)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainathlete (Q2066131), sports venue (Q1076486), sports team (Q12973014)
Example 1Russia national association football team (Q726080)124-sbornaja-rossii---futbol
Example 2Luzhniki Stadium (Q202163)11764-luzhniki
Example 3FC Zenit Saint Petersburg (Q29108)5-fk-zenit
Example 4Artem Dzyuba (Q713439)612-artjom-dzjuba
Sourcehttps://championat.com
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Number of IDs in sourceunknown
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://championat.com/tags/$1
Robot and gadget jobsYes, it would be great to have a separate mix'n'match catalog.
See alsoSportbox.ru ID (P4421)
Wikidata projectRussia, Sports

MotivationEdit

The Championat.com is the most popular sports site in Russia — since its opening in 2005, it has collected a lot of information about Russian and world sports. Last June, the site entered the top five most popular sports media in the world in history for the first time. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 13:19, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Esports Earnings game IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for an e-sports discipline on the Esports Earnings website
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainesports discipline (Q112144412)
Allowed values[1-9]\d{0,2}
Example 1Dota 2 (Q771541)231
Example 2Starcraft II (Q18142874)151
Example 3Valorant (Q86919275)646
Sourcehttps://www.esportsearnings.com/games
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source574
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://www.esportsearnings.com/games/$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueEsports Earnings (Q112144524)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Sports (Q8001410), WikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

MotivationEdit

I've noticed that Wikidata is completely lacking electornic sports-related external identifiers. I suggest to start with Esports Earnings, a large e-sports database that is not limited to a single discipline. That would help us to add basic claims like «instance of (P31) = esports discipline (Q112144412)», link players with disciplines, and prepare the ground for future data imports.

See also: Esports Earnings player ID (there are also possible identifiers for teams, tournaments and tournament leagues, we might want to add them too in the future). Facenapalm (talk) 16:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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MisterSynergy Thierry Caro Vanbasten_23 Malore Сидик из ПТУ Phikia Mathieu Kappler Supertrinko Gymnicus Lee Vilenski Erokhin Dandilero   Notified participants of WikiProject Sports Facenapalm (talk) 16:45, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
@Wvdp, I saw you creating e-sports related items a while ago, so you might be interested in these proposals and Liquipedia ID proposal. Facenapalm (talk) 17:09, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  Question Does this mean that each video game (Q7889) that has a "esports scene" will have its own esports discipline (Q112144412) with an Esports Earnings game ID? If that's the case, then having "game" in the property's name might be confusing, as I would expect this identifier to apply to video game (Q7889). Might just be me though. --Poslovitch (talk) 19:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
@Poslovitch, no, these games would just have a second P31, see Dota 2 (Q771541) or Starcraft II (Q18142874) as an example. I don't think it is worth to duplicate items, at least at this point. It would be much easier to import data from Wikipedias that way, because Wikipedias are linking pro gamers with the games themselves, not StarCraft II in esports (Q60742209) or anything.
I actually just created esports discipline (Q112144412) today, before that some games had three P31s: video game (Q7889), esports (Q300920) and sports discipline (Q2312410) (example), but I found it a bit unreadable and misleading. Facenapalm (talk) 20:11, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Although if you think that "Esports Earnings discipline ID" is more suitable label, I don't mind that. I picked the shortest label out of possible ones, but I'm fine any way. Facenapalm (talk) 20:17, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Alright, if this is just another instance of (P31), then I'm fine with keeping "game" in the ID. Also, that's a good thing that esports discipline (Q112144412) is going to "simplify" esports (Q300920) and sports discipline (Q2312410). Poslovitch (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Liquipedia IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a pro gamer, e-sports caster, team or event on Liquipedia
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[a-z0-9]+/[A-Za-z0-9_/]+
Example 1Scarlett (Q15526050)starcraft2/Scarlett, starcraft/Scarlett
Example 2The International 10 (Q108793135)dota2/The_International/2021
Example 3Sue Min Lee (Q61913211)starcraft2/Smix, counterstrike/Smix, valorant/Smix
Sourcehttps://liquipedia.net
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://liquipedia.net/$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueLiquipedia (Q105835728)
Distinct-values constraintyes
Wikidata projectWikiProject Sports (Q8001410), WikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

MotivationEdit

The largest e-sports wiki. According to Special:LinkSearch, Wikidata items have over 500 links to Liquipedia (set as plain URLs). Facenapalm (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

  •   Support I've been wanting to create this property for a few months. Liquipedia indeed is a well-known, well-established and up to date wiki about esports. What I'm unsure about though is should we restrict it to items that are instance of (P31) esports team (Q61974339), esport competition (Q48004378) ? And the likes for players and casters? --Poslovitch (talk) 19:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
    I'm not sure yet. Personally, I'm planning to work on players in near future, so P31=human (Q5) is enough for me for now. But if Wikidata would ever have maps, or video game units, or whatever, liquipedia has these, too. Facenapalm (talk) 20:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Sports equipmentEdit

Sports venueEdit

Sports teamEdit

Sport24.ru team IDEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionидентификатор сборной или команды на спортивном портале Sport24 (ru) – (Please translate this into English.)
RepresentsSport24 (Q60500406)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainsports team (Q12973014)
Allowed units[a-z]+
Example 1Paris Saint-Germain F.C. (Q483020)pari_sen-zhermen
Example 2Ak Bars Kazan (Q413568)ak_bars
Example 3Q4409709sbornaya-germanii-po-biatlonu
Sourcehttps://sport24.ru
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned usefor usage in stated in (P248) and for Template:Authority control (Q3907614)
Number of IDs in sourceunknown
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://sport24.ru/teams/$1
Robot and gadget jobsYes, it would be great to have a separate mix'n'match catalog.
Wikidata projectRussia, Sports

MotivationEdit

Sport24.ru is one of the most popular Russian sports websites. Already in 2018, in the first year of the publication’s existence, it took first place in terms of readability, and in 2019 the publication’s YouTube channel received a silver button (more than 100 thousand subscribers). MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 17:48, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Sporting eventEdit

two-pointers madeEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of two-point field goals scored by a basketball player
Representstwo-point field goal (Q104661416)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / two-pointers made  4
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / two-pointers made  8
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / two-pointers made  1
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:07, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:20, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

two-pointers attemptedEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of two-point field goals attempted by a basketball player
Representstwo-point field goal (Q104661416)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / two-pointers attempted  7
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / two-pointers attempted  11
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / two-pointers attempted  1
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:08, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

three-pointers madeEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of three-point field goals scored by a basketball player
Representsthree-point field goal (Q746826)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / three-pointers made  2
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / three-pointers made  0
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / three-pointers made  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:11, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

three-pointers attemptedEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of three-point field goals attempted by a basketball player
Representsthree-point field goal (Q746826)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / three-pointers attempted  6
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / three-pointers attempted  0
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / three-pointers attempted  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:10, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

free throws madeEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of free throws scored by a basketball player
Representsfree throw (Q1191341)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / free throws made  1
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / free throws made  5
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / free throws made  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

free throws attemptedEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of free throws attempted by a basketball player
Representsfree throw (Q1191341)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / free throws attempted  2
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / free throws attempted  6
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / free throws attempted  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

field goals madeEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of field goals made by a basketball player
Representsfield goal (Q3991740)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / field goals made  6
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / field goals made  8
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / field goals made  1
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 16:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:17, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
  •   Oppose not because it is not important or relevant to the site data, but rather because assuming the 2 point and 3 point field goal properties are created, then this can be calculated from that. We should not be creating properties and storing data that can be calculated from other existing properties and data. CanadianCodhead (talk) 14:00, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
    • But can there be a situation when the aggregate field goals statistics is known, but detailed 2 point and 3 point statistics is not? Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 11:34, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

personal foulsEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of personal fouls committed by a basketball player
Representspersonal foul (Q15073191)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / personal fouls  2
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / personal fouls  3
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / personal fouls  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 17:14, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

offensive reboundsEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of rebounds performed on offense by a basketball player
Representsrebound (Q654355)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / offensive rebounds  1
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / offensive rebounds  7
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / offensive rebounds  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

defensive reboundsEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of rebounds performed on defense by a basketball player
Representsrebound (Q654355)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / defensive rebounds  1
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / defensive rebounds  6
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / defensive rebounds  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:16, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

total reboundsEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of rebounds performed by a basketball player
Representsrebound (Q654355)
Data typeQuantity
Allowed valuesnon-negative integers
Example 11989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Bob Scrabis (Q98841453) / total rebounds  2
Example 21989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Alonzo Mourning (Q310968) / total rebounds  13
Example 31989 Georgetown vs. Princeton men's basketball game (Q90747291) participant (P710) Sam Jefferson (Q98849016) / total rebounds  0
Planned useQualifier to use for box scores of basketball games

MotivationEdit

A commonly tracked statistic in basketball box scores. IagoQnsi (talk) 20:19, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Oppose This and a dozen other proposals relate to very specific aspects of a player’s or a match’s sports statistics. The number of casuistry of each sport can lead us to an inflation of the number of properties that, despite being correct, could have a low maintenance due to their difficulty.
I propose, instead, to create a wildcard property similar to P2670, where the main value would be the "statistical concept" (what we are now asking for as properties), and the qualifiers would be P1114, P5249, P710 (when they are using in a computer), etc. In other words that is:
  • Concept + quantity, + period (season or time), represents the total for that period by the holder of the item (person or team).
  • Concept + quantity, + period, + participant, represents the total for that period by a member of the item holder
I ask that before approving these properties, we can discuss whether the proposal makes sense and obviously do more precise and developed work than what I now present. Thanks Amadalvarez (talk) 20:19, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

CanadianCodhead (talk) 14:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

won setsEdit

   Ready Create
DescriptionNumber of sets won
Representsset (Q371609)
Data typeQuantity
Domainsports competition (Q13406554), result (Q2995644)
Allowed values 
Allowed unitsno units allowed
Example 1Example 1: 3-0 sets (Q27210420)
won sets
  3
applies to part home team
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  0
applies to part away team
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Example 2Example 2: Q18478941
won sets
  3
applies to part Brazil men's national volleyball team
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  2
applies to part Soviet Union men's national volleyball team
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Example 3Example 3: Q1204400
participant
  TSV 1860 München
ranking 1
points for 28
won sets 42
lost sets 7
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  USC Münster
ranking 2
points for 22
won sets 34
lost sets 13
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Example 4Example 4: Q48813124
sports competition competed at
  Q26268701
applies to part Hauptrunde
ranking 8
points for 29
number of matches played/races/starts 22
number of wins 9
number of losses 13
won sets 41
lost sets 43
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Planned useFirst we want to apply this property to the six data objects 3-0 sets (Q27210420), 3-1 sets (Q27210425) 3-2 sets (Q27210429), 2-3 sets (Q106211942), 1-3 sets (Q106211930) and 0-3 sets (Q106211920) to show which team won how many sets. Then we want to use these properties for the display of tables. But for this you also need the property “lost sets”, which has not yet been proposed at the current time (March 27, 2021).
See alsonumber of points/goals/set scored (P1351), points for (P1358)
Wikidata projectWikidata:WikiProject Sports

MotivationEdit

In various sports such as volleyball (Q1734), table tennis (Q3930) and badminton (Q7291), the athletes or teams must win set (Q371609) in order to win the game. But to win the sets you need a number of points scored. In volleyball you need at least 25 points to win a set. The exception is the tiebreaker (Q908513), where you only need at least 15 points. For this reason, in the sports mentioned, the property number of points/goals/set scored (P1351) is not sufficient, but from my point of view you need this additional property. --Gymnicus (talk) 10:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support Data Gamer play 15:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support, an important property for sports.--Arbnos (talk) 23:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
  •   Comment I understand the meanning, but no where are you thinking to apply. For instance, does it must be main property or qualifier or both and when ?. In example 1, it's clear, but only affects to 6 items. In example 2, is it limited to a match with these participants ?, or it may be used in other level (competition, league, season, etc..); does it may used with person (players) ? and when ?, etc. Sorry, but in this kind of properties, is easy to understand the meanning, but after that, editors may apply it in heterogenous and contradictory ways. As I'm sure you have clear "how to use", please explain it. Thanks, --Amadalvarez (talk) 09:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
@Amadalvarez: Similar to the elements 3-0 sets (Q27210420), 3-1 sets (Q27210425) 3-2 sets (Q27210429), 2-3 sets (Q106211942), 1-3 sets (Q106211930) and 0-3 sets (Q106211920) these properties can also be used for data objects that model a volleyball game. If you take the men's 2018 World Cup final [1] as an example, it would look like this in a hypothetical data object:
won sets
  0
applies to part Brazil men's national volleyball team
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applies to part Poland men's national volleyball team
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Because there are current no modeled volleyball games, this area of ​​application is not a priority for the time being. Nevertheless, one should be aware of this possibility. Thus, this property can be used as main value (Q54828448). In addition, in my opinion, this property is necessary for the creation of tables in volleyball. We can stick to the example of the World Cup and take a look at the table for pool A [2]. There you can see that the currently available properties are not sufficient because you cannot display both the values ​​listed under “Sets” and the values ​​listed under “Points” with the properties number of points/goals/set scored (P1351) and number of points/goals conceded (P1359). For this reason, you need the two properties won set and lost set for the table display. I will apply for the second property mentioned after the property discussed here has been accepted and created. From my point of view, the main task of the property won set is in the table display and therefore the property can also be used as qualifier (Q54828449). --Gymnicus (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, @Gymnicus:. If this property is finally approved, none of this discussion will be copied to the talk page, just description, examples, etc. will be. So, could you improve the definition block with your statements in order to facilitate the creation of the property and not leave open (or already discussed) topics in the future?. If data models have not yet been made for volleyball, it is difficult to determine how and when this property will be used. You want to create a concept that no one doubts will be necessary, but we need to go further and explain its application in each case, may be not now, but yes before it was missused. For example, to build the table for pool A [3], where will the "won sets" property for Italy be located ?: in the item of "Championship", of "round of championship", of "pool of round of championship" or in the "participation of Italy in this championship"?. The value is clear, it will be 15 in any case, but will it be property or qualifier? If it is primary property, which qualifier should it accept? and when it is a qualifier, what other qualifiers should accompany it to make it comprehensible what the "15" refers to ?. These doubts are answered by preparing the data model, and it would be good to have them clear before making use of the property. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 14:38, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
@Amadalvarez: I don't fully understand what bothers you about the current presentation. But of course you are also invited to make improvements yourself. --Gymnicus (talk) 07:53, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for your invitation, but you're the proponent and a good definition invites to a support votes. Now, I vote against, but if you fix the definition, may I change it. Thanks, Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
  •   Oppose The poor definition requires to be improve to avoid missunderstanding in its application. The concept is clear, but aspects on: whether it is exclusive for volley or shared for other similar rules sport, when to use as a main property or qualifier, which qualifiers are allowed, etc. should be defined befor approval. Amadalvarez (talk) 08:37, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
@Amadalvarez: Yes, I am the applicant. However, that does not mean that others are not allowed to participate and this includes not only writing comments, but also making changes to the request. At least that's how I understood the principle of the joint project. In addition, I still do not fully understand your messages. That's why I just ask a few questions about your statements:
  • “The poor definition requires to be improve to avoid missunderstanding in its application.” — Why is the definition bad and what kind of misunderstandings do you see? By the way, the application is based on the property application from number of points/goals/set scored (P1351). That's why I'm a little surprised because of your criticism.
  • “whether it is exclusive for volley or shared for other similar rules sport” — Didn't you read the Motivation section? It says there in which sports this property can be used in addition to volleyball. You can also look at the object set (Q371609) there are also a few sports in which sets are played. Once the property has been created, this data object will certainly be improved and elaborated a little.
  • “when to use as a main property or qualifier” — In my opinion, these questions are also answered in the application. But I've expanded the example section a little and there you can see where I would use the property. But other users can certainly have other ideas as to where something can be done with the property. But you don't have to talk about it now, you can talk about it when the users implement it and maybe cause errors.
  • “which qualifiers are allowed” If you used this property as a value, then from my point of view the only usable qualifier is the property applies to part (P518). But I don't know how to add this to the application. When you know this, so be free and add it in.
I would be happy to hear from you. --Gymnicus (talk) 15:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC)
MisterSynergy Thierry Caro Vanbasten_23 Malore Сидик из ПТУ Phikia Mathieu Kappler Supertrinko Gymnicus Lee Vilenski Erokhin Dandilero   Notified participants of WikiProject Sports Dear members of the sports portal, I would like to reaffirm this suggestion because I think it is a shame that the discussion has more than fallen asleep and that no authorized representative is making a decision here. As the creator, I cannot make a decision myself. Perhaps further expressions of opinion could help that a decision is made on this property proposal. --Gymnicus (talk) 13:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
  •   Support - there actually a bigger catch area than is being suggested as sets are used in other sports, such as darts and bowls. If we have a number of points/sets required to win parameter, we should also have a similar one for amount of points required to win a set. Lee Vilenski (talk) 13:24, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
  •   SupportMasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:15, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
  •   Support - important property for sports that use sets, which are quite a few. I would expect there to be two properties, one for won sets and one for lost sets and that they would be used in the same way as number of points/goals/set scored (P1351) and number of points/goals conceded (P1359). I don't think it makes sense to have a property for the results of individual sets (as suggested by Lee Vilensky) as that differs between sports and would be difficult to handle with the current interface. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 09:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

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AthleteEdit

fastest lapsEdit

   Ready Create
Descriptionnumber of fastest laps a driver is credited with over a series, season, or career
Representsfastest lap (Q310258)
Data typeNumber (not available yet)
Domainitem
Allowed valuesnon-negative integer
Allowed unitsnone
Example 1Michael Schumacher (Q9671) → 76
Example 2Jim Clark (Q3137) → 28
Example 3Alberto Ascari (Q2086) → 12
Example 4Peter Collins (Q171483) → 0
Planned useAdd to all F1 drivers immediately, expanding to other motorsports series going forward
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)

MotivationEdit

This is a common aggregate statistic in motorsports. Fastest laps are a discrete and widely cited statistic, making it perfect for a property. It cannot be reached by calculation reliably for several reasons: 1) The database of individual events is incomplete, thus simply counting the number of entities for which a driver completes the fastest lap will not capture the correct total. 2) For many series, especially historically, detailed event records are incomplete (not just on WD, but in the public record in general), whereas aggregate counts are available in some sources. 3) Several sources only provide aggregate totals for a career or season, and not individual event details. Thus an aggregate fastest lap total is necessary to capture this information. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 01:10, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

Working on motorcycle road racing (Q965550), particularly endurance motorcycle racing (Q15732689), I could use a related property, namely, the duration of one individual rider's and/or team's fastest lap during a race and/or a practice session within a specific event, ideally it would accept a qualifier to mention in which lap this fastest time has been recorded ( information often stated in the race's as well as in the different practice session's time sheets ). I'd favor trying to think ahead about as many as possible use cases for related properties "linked" to the same "concept".

Several usage examples :

1/ Used in a motorcycle racing team (Q20784907) item ( Yoshimura SERT Motul (Q107026208) ) it could look like this :

nb : there are more qualifiers after laps completed (P5349) but it seems Template:Statement+ doesn't accept more values than what's shown.

Participant in
  2021 6 Hours of Most
competition class EWC
sport number 1
ranking 3
manufacturer Suzuki
vehicle normally used Suzuki GSX-R1000
fastest lap 94.963 second
point in time lap 212
laps completed 212 lap
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or, a more specific variation, but would need the creation of in lap property

Participant in
  2021 6 Hours of Most
competition class EWC
sport number 1
ranking 3
manufacturer Suzuki
vehicle normally used Suzuki GSX-R1000
fastest lap 94.963 second
in lap 212
laps completed 212 lap
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2/ Used for an instance of motorcycle race (Q56321344) item as in 2021 JSB1000 Suzuka 2&4 Race 1 (Q106611407)

Serpicozaure (talk) 11:50, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

  •   Support, an important property for Formula 1.--Arbnos (talk) 17:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

  Comment I don't believe this represents the item the proposal currently suggests it does (fastest lap would be the time of a singular fastest lap in a race/event/career/vehicle, right?). Whereas this proposal seems to be for an aggregate statistic for a given driver/team/etc. Marked unready until that can be clarified and/or corrected. Also to other future property creators: do not be confused by the first discussion point which is not directly related to the proposal. --SilentSpike (talk) 18:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Esports Earnings player IDEdit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a pro gamer on the Esports Earnings website
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values[1-9]\d{3,5}
Example 1Scarlett (Q15526050)2280
Example 2Lee Sang-hyeok (Q15618298)3832
Example 3SonicFox (Q59542692)4603
Sourcehttps://www.esportsearnings.com/players
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Number of IDs in source102712
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.esportsearnings.com/players/$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueEsports Earnings (Q112144524)
Single-value constraintyes
Distinct-values constraintyes
Wikidata projectWikiProject Sports (Q8001410), WikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

MotivationEdit

See motivation at Esports Earnings game ID. According to Special:LinkSearch, there are already 169 links to Esports Earnings player pages in Wikidata (set as plain URLs), almost half of a thousand in dewiki, and dozens in plwiki and ruwiki. Facenapalm (talk) 16:42, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

  •   Support - just a tiny detail: how can there be 102712 identifiers, with allowed values ranging from 100 to 99999 (as per the regex?) --Poslovitch (talk) 20:04, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
    Regex is ranging from 1000 to 999999, you missed [1-9] at the beginning. :)
I took number 102712 from main page (it actually shows 102716 now). ID range is a little bit wider, so there're probably some deprecated IDs or redirects. But all of them seems to be in range between 1000 and 110000. Facenapalm (talk) 20:24, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

CoachEdit