Wikidata:Property proposal/Swedish Royal Theater
Swedish Royal Theater Archive edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work
Description | a database of roles, persons and plays performed at the Swedish Royal theater Royal Dramatic Theatre |
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Represents | Royal Dramatic Theatre (Q1140265) |
Data type | External identifier |
Template parameter | there is a template that can be used see sv:Mall:Dramaten used on +700 pages |
Domain | property |
Example 1 | Margaretha Krook (Q1799576) → Person/3611 |
Example 2 | David Copperfield (Q189811) → Play/598 |
Example 3 | Master Olof (Q1765367) → Play/1 |
Source | https://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken |
Planned use | populate all items |
Number of IDs in source | rough estimate 10000 |
Expected completeness | 100% |
Formatter URL | https://www.dramaten.se/Medverkande/Rollboken/$1 |
Motivation edit
Task T222515 we have already connected some swedish properties related to music/theater/movie
- National Collections of Music, Theatre and Dance (Q10677700) Musikverket person ID (P4357)
- Swedish Musical Heritage ID (P4607)
- Dictionary of Swedish National Biography ID (P3217)
- Swedish Film Database person ID (P2168)
Swedish Royal Theater Archive will be another step in introducing linked data for museums/theaters related to music and theater. In the long run I hope they will be candidates for implementing their own instances of Wikibase - Salgo60 (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
Discussion edit
- Support can be useful to see which fictional characters are played and which theater plays are set up over time (also between theaters / countries). VisbyStar (talk) 06:10, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 06:13, 5 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment This is great however I think the second example should be invalid. ?category=roles&query=Bettsy+Trotwood is clearly no identifier, nor does its result represent the same thing as the Wikidata item. Abbe98 (talk) 08:30, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: agree. I dont see that Dramaten gives us a query a problem (if it is stable) more who should have what data. I think we need to start having a dialogue inside Wikidata and with external parties like Dramaten
- Should wikidata has everything? - my answer No
- Is it ok to use SKOS generic mapping relation (Q60817979) and a qualifier close match/narrow match- I see no problem, but the question is more why do we add them. When LOD get more mature we will meet this problem all the time. I can see it with churches in Sweden that domain experts like Swedish National Heritage Board (Q631844) always will have a more "mature" model that is too complex for Wikipedia
- Should Wikidata has the persons and major plays and we tell the domain experts to join our echo system setting up a Wikibase (Q16354758) - see my presentation last week(GITHUB) were I hope this is the way forward but today I feel its not realistic as its a mismatch between complexity of the concept/Wikibase product maturity/#LOD skills at domain experts
- Should wikidata has everything? - my answer No
- - Salgo60 (talk) 09:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Salgo60: your comment is not related to my concern. The identifiers look fine to me but the query is defiantly not stable and will break sooner or later. It would in almost all cases just be the Wikidata label URL encoded, if applications would like to create such links they could do it on the fly. Linking to unstable query links is the opposite of Linked Open Data. Abbe98 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Looks like Betsey Trotwood (Q3639127) → ?roleName=Bettsy+Trotwood will work as long as two plays dont have identical names :-) Would be better if we asked them to convert Strings to Things as they have for actors in a play. I guess step one is adding actors and plays so this will be next phase - Salgo60 (talk) 12:48, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Salgo60: your comment is not related to my concern. The identifiers look fine to me but the query is defiantly not stable and will break sooner or later. It would in almost all cases just be the Wikidata label URL encoded, if applications would like to create such links they could do it on the fly. Linking to unstable query links is the opposite of Linked Open Data. Abbe98 (talk) 12:07, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- Comment Plays in Rollboken are theatre productions, not plays/scripts. I.e. there are three David Copperfields (1941, 1948 & 1953) with their own IDs (see https://www.dramaten.se/medverkande/rollboken/?category=all&query=david+copperfield), none of which are identical to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q189811 (David Copperfield the literary work) Ambrosiani (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ambrosiani: Yes and I think they should maybe be in a local en:Wikibase installation at Musikverket?!?!? I guess when connecting a general knowledge graph as Wikidata with a specialist "domain" we have to define "responsibilities" who is caring about what. A good pattern would be if we could get Musikverket to define User stories so that we better understand what added value Wikidata can add. I recommend the Future learn training about how to work together in Open networks link - Salgo60 (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, but until then I think it's only the /Person/ID endpoint that can be used by wikidata items. Ambrosiani (talk) 08:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
- @Ambrosiani: Yes and I think they should maybe be in a local en:Wikibase installation at Musikverket?!?!? I guess when connecting a general knowledge graph as Wikidata with a specialist "domain" we have to define "responsibilities" who is caring about what. A good pattern would be if we could get Musikverket to define User stories so that we better understand what added value Wikidata can add. I recommend the Future learn training about how to work together in Open networks link - Salgo60 (talk) 17:43, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
- Support.--Vulphere 16:00, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
- Support Cwf97 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2019 (EST)
I support this only on the condition that the format is enforced with a slash and a list of things to go before the slash (Play, Person, etc). The second example is gonna break when they revamp their search engine. We can save external ID's but saving search queries is too fragile. --Ysangkok (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2019 (UTC)Support --Ysangkok (talk) 05:38, 17 November 2019 (UTC)- I deleted the query example with search engine - Salgo60 (talk) 11:14, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Ysanglok − Pintoch (talk) 20:41, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- marking as not ready while one of the examples uses a search engine − Pintoch (talk) 21:16, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- I deleted the query example with search engine - Salgo60 (talk) 12:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
- Support I think the concerns by Pintoch and Ysangkok have been met. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:08, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Ambrosiani, Salgo60, Vulphere, Cwf97, VisbyStar: @Valentina.Anitnelav, Abbe98, Ysangkok: Done: Swedish Royal Theater Archive (P7574). − Pintoch (talk) 23:20, 18 November 2019 (UTC)