Wikidata:Property proposal/corporate purpose

corporate purpose edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

Done: statutory purpose (P6346) (Talk and documentation)

Description	main corporate purpose of an organization as defined in its articles of association
Represents	corporate purpose (Q2498417)
Data type	Monolingual text
Template parameter	"objet social" in fr:Modèle:Infobox Organisation2
Domain	nonprofit organization (Q163740) applies to jurisdiction (P1001)Austria (Q40), Belgium (Q31), Czech Republic (Q213), France (Q142), Germany (Q183), United Kingdom (Q145), Switzerland (Q39)
Example 1	National Council of European Resistance (Q43131096) → soutenir l'action du C.N.R.E. en relayant ses idées, par des actions militantes ou des contributions financières dans le but de défendre la civilisation majeure
Example 2	Société d'émulation du Bourbonnais (Q3487855) → promotion de l'histoire et du patrimoine du Bourbonnais
Example 3	Contribuables associés (Q2996011) → mettre en œuvre les articles 14 et 15 de la déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen
Example 4	Wikimedia France (Q8423370) → soutenir la connaissance libre notamment au travers des projets Wikimédia
Example 5	Wikimedia Czech Republic (Q15735556) → přispívání ke zvyšování vzdělanosti a kulturní úrovně obyvatel zjednodušením dostupnosti všeobecných a odborných informací ze všech oblastí lidského vědění a činností
Example 6	Carrefour de l'horloge (Q2980151) → études de problèmes auxquels sont confrontées les sociétés modernes
Source	https://www.journal-officiel.gouv.fr/association/ applies to jurisdiction (P1001)France (Q142) https://or.justice.cz/applies to jurisdiction (P1001)Czech Republic (Q213)
Planned use	See examples above.
See also	has goal (P3712)
Type constraint – instance of	organization (Q43229)
Proposed by	Adelsheim

Discussion edit

Support. Would be useful. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 16:49, 1 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
Support David (talk) 07:38, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Should this be monolingual text rather than string (there is an attached language)? Note that this seems to be very close to (essentially the same as) Wikidata:Property proposal/mission statement - where it was suggested that "structured Wikiquote" is the right solution for this. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:02, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ping Adelsheim. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]

Changed the datatype to monolingual text. You're right, it does appear their functions partially overlap, though I would still argue for the inclusion of objet social as it is a. usually quite succinct—the above 3^rd example notwithstanding :)—and b. mandatory in both French and Belgian law. Adelsheim (talk) 23:39, 2 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wait Is French and Belgian law the only law that has this category or would it make sense to have a broader property? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:09, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've found at least 4 other jurisdictions with a mandatory statement of purpose of some kind (Unternehmensgegenstand in Austria, Germany, and Switzerland; the objects clause in UK company law), thus the broader "corporate purpose" title. Adelsheim (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also in Czech Republic (Q213) there is mandatory "purpose" statement for nonprofit organizations in register of organizations (for example for Wikimedia Czech Republic (Q15735556) see [1] part "Účel:").--Jklamo (talk) 16:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Notified participants of WikiProject Companies

Oppose, because "mettre en œuvre les articles 14 et 15 de la déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen ; encourager un esprit d'économie dans les services publics et dans les dépenses publiques qui doivent être limitées à l'indispensable ; promouvoir des prélèvements obligatoires équitables, transparents et faciles à comprendre ; étudier scientifiquement la fiscalité française et les prélèvements obligatoires ainsi que leur évolution ; informer et éduquer les citoyens et contribuables sur le système fiscal et social français ainsi que sur la gestion des derniers publics ; défendre, notamment par des actions en justice, les droits et intérêts collectifs ou individuels des citoyens et contribuables en matière de fiscalité, de dépenses publiques, de réglementation et contre toute forme d'abus de pouvoir ; rassembler le plus grand nombre de contribuables afin d'être toujours mieux en mesure de poursuivre les objectifs cités précédemment ; lutter contre la corruption et les atteintes à la probité publique, par la réalisation et la diffusion de publications, par l'organisation de manifestations et réunions sur ce sujet, ainsi que par le recours à des actions judiciaires" is not structured data; nor suitable for inclusion in Wikidata Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:43, 3 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Andy,
Contribuables associés is a particular case—certainly not unique, but uncommon—with multiple secondary corporate purposes. Only mettre en œuvre les articles 14 et 15 de la déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen would be included. Adelsheim (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Pigsonthewing. I agree with Adelsheim's response. I think getting rid of subsidiary purposes would be a good compromise. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 12:08, 7 January 2019 (UTC).[reply]
IMO a data type "wikibase-item" would be way more useful than the proposed monolingual text. --MB-one (talk) 16:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @MB-one: would you then create an item for the corporate purpose of a given organization? For me it seems like a push in terms of admissibility. Or are you thinking about something different? − Pintoch (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Pintoch: I may be wrong, but the corporate purpose is rarely truly unique. Instead in my experience it can be broken down into a few commons concepts. E.g. "mettre en œuvre les articles 14 et 15 de la déclaration des droits de l'homme et du citoyen" could be expressed as implementation (Q245962)of (P642)Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen (Q169759) with little loss of information; "promotion de l'histoire et du patrimoine du Bourbonnais" could be Q60482764of (P642)House of Bourbon (Q58389) --MB-one (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I think has goal (P3712) is better suited for this. Adelsheim (talk) 18:45, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    
    @MB-one: I see what you mean, thanks. It feels a bit convoluted to me: there is some information loss and distortion (House of Bourbon (Q58389) is quite different from "Bourbonnais", which refers here to a region rather than a dynasty I think, the omission of "articles 14 et 15" is quite significant too). Also the use of of (P642) in this context is likely to be subject to linguistic biases too… So, expressing these purposes as structured data requires some interpretation, and I feel like we want to avoid that interpretation, given the administrative/legal nature of these text snippets: they are probably often carefully crafted by lawyers/directors with respect to the legal framework around incorporations in the jurisdiction. I also think has goal (P3712) is a better fit for your approach (and it is not meant to be restricted to the phrases supplied when founding the organization). − Pintoch (talk) 19:13, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support given that this notion is shared by multiple jurisdictions (mostly for non-profit organizations it seems), I would find this useful. But we should make clear that this is restricted to the purpose specified when incorporating the organization, not to a random motto found on a flyer or something like that. We recently created award rationale (P6208) which is vaguely similar. − Pintoch (talk) 17:33, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, ChristianKl, Nomen ad hoc, Jklamo, ArthurPSmith, Adelsheim: @MB-one, Pintoch, Pigsonthewing: Done: statutory purpose (P6346). − Pintoch (talk) 20:48, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Support @Adelsheim: Is this also applicable to Commercial Activity of companies? In the Bulgarian trade register, in addition to NACE codes, companies also submit a free text " Предмет на дейност" (commercial activity).

Eg for Ontotext (Q7095072) that is "ИЗВЪРШВАНЕ НА НАУЧНОИЗСЛЕДОВАТЕЛСКА ДЕЙНОСТ, РАЗРАБОТВАНЕ НА ТЕХНОЛОГИИ, СВЪРЗАНИ С ПРЕДСТАВЯНЕ (KR) И КОМПЮТЪРНА ЛИНГВИСТИКА (CL/NLP), ДОСТАВЯНЕ НА СОФТУЕР ЗА УПРАВЛЕНИЕ НА ЗНАНИЯ (КМ), СЕМИНАРЕН УЕБ И УЕБ УСЛУГИ И ВСЯКА ДРУГА ДЕЙНОСТ, ПОЗВОЛЕНА ОТ ЗАКОНА.
Translation: R&D ACTIVITY, DEVELOPMENT TECHNOLOGIES RELATED TO KNOWLEDGE REPRESENTATION (KR) AND COMPUTER LINGUISTICS (CL/NLP), SUPPLY OF KNOWLEDGE MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE (KM), SEMANTIC WEB AND WEB SERVICES AND ANY OTHER ACTIVITY ALLOWED BY THE LAW. (The last phrase is fairly traditional for BG companies ;-).
If so, I'll add an alias and an example --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 14:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]