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Wikidata:Property proposal/headline, chapter or section

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headline or heading edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Not done
Descriptionthe title of an article, chapter, section and similar
Data typeMonolingual text
Example 1ContraPoints Is the Opposite of the Internet (Q111308529):
title (P1476): ContraPoints Is the Opposite of the Internet → proposed property: ContraPoints Is the Opposite of the Internet
Example 2Claire-Louise Bennett (Q55828246):
place of birth (P19), references: title (P1476): Hmmmm, Stylish → proposed property: Hmmmm, Stylish
Example 3reference example:
stated in (P248): Dictionary of Irish Biography (Q111109010); volume (P478): 3; page(s) (P304): 120; propsed property: Last name, First name
Example 4reference example:
stated in (P248): The New York Times (Q9684); propsed property: Avocados—What Are They?; author name string (P2093): Bob McBobson; publication date (P577) January 18, 1997; reference URL (P854): […]
See alsochapter (P792)

Motivation edit

A property is needed for headlines etc that should be within "quotation marks", like magazine and journal articles. The properties that currently exist are insufficient:

  • title (P1476) covers too much, namely any sort of title: both titles of works and titles of articles or chapters in a work. No distinction is possible, unless you create a Wikidata item for the work, in which case both title (P1476) and stated in (P248) thus result in italicized titles when transcluded to Wikipedia. So we still need to make a distinction between titles of works and headlines of sections if we want to be able to transclude properly formatted references to Wikipedia.
  • chapter (P792) works well for numbers, but not for words. Chapter titles are written in quotation marks, isolated chapter numbers are not.
  • section, verse, paragraph, or clause (P958) probably works well in many cases, but not in cases when e.g. the article itself a Wikidata item, such as Example 1. When transcluded, this results in a title in quotation marks followed by the same title in italics. And, just like title (P1476), this property seems to cover too much. It seems to be used for e.g. both paragraphs in legal texts and bible verses, but those two are formatted differently, and neither of them puts the verse/parapgraph in quotation marks, like this property does when transcluded as a reference.

Förbätterlig (talk) 11:16, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Yes, that's actually the point. It's oviously very impractical to have several aspects of a single property like that. Förbätterlig (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment Does every language have the same conventions regarding formatting for headlines, chapters, and sections? I suspect not, so it would make more sense to split these into different properties so that each can have locale-specific formatting. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Many languages all over the world use quotation marks, which will have to be formatted individually in cite templates ("" can be the default). If additional properties are needed, they can always be added later on. Förbätterlig (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The difference between many and all is important. If some languages use quotes for, say, chapter titles but not section titles, then this property would not work for them. I   Oppose making one property for headlines, chapter titles, and section titles, as is currently proposed, but would support making three different properties (one for each). — The Erinaceous One 🦔 00:45, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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