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Wikidata:Property proposal/image of entrance

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image of entrance edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Descriptionview of an entry point of an architectural structure, vehicle, territorial entity, road or other space, in the entering direction (not in the exiting direction)
Representsentrance (Q1137365)
Data typeCommons media file
Domainarchitectural structure (Q811979), vehicle (Q42889), road (Q34442), street (Q79007), designation for an administrative territorial entity (Q15617994)
Allowed values(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif|xcf)|
Example 1Notre-Dame de Paris (Q2981) →  
Example 2Père Lachaise Cemetery (Q311) →  
Example 3Red Square (Q41116) →  
Example 4Great Pyramid of Giza (Q37200) →  
Example 5Doto Expressway (Q867944) →  
Example 6Tesla Model S (Q1463050) →  
Example 7Bombardier Regio 2N (Q572856) →  
Example 8California (Q99) →  
Example 9Naucelle (Q1141399) →  
Example 10
Planned uselink all the already existing images with the corresponding items and maybe create a parameter for the Infoboxes on Commons
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
See alsoimage of interior (P5775)

Motivation edit

We already have properties for different types of images such as image of interior (P5775), that is similar to this proposal. This property, on the other hand, could be used both for enclosed spaces and open spaces. In addition, many access points to certain buildings are quite notable and this could also be used for an image of the entrance to a city for example. Bringing this together with image (P18) and qualifiers is not the best solution since an entrance is not really a general representation of an item and a separate property would be very useful and suitable, while not being totally restricted. Moreover, it would let us add multiple images if several entrances exist and add a qualifier for the Commons category which refers to the entrance. Baidax (talk) 17:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  1.   Support Pamputt (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are border crossings and even US states often have a sign "Welcome to California" (I guess that qualifies as entrance ?). --Hannes Röst (talk) 14:52, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I added two examples concerning administrative territorial entity (Q56061). I was indeed thinking of photos of roads with an entrance sign. However, this should not be confused with place name sign (P1766) which only represents the sign and not the image of the border with a general view (ideally). Baidax (talk) 11:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there is a border control, you can really enter an administrative territorial entity anywhere. Adding the road is a car-centric bias. Perhaps another subproperty called image of car entrance? Ainali (talk) 11:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Ainali: Indeed, I imagine this for cases where there is an entrance visible with a sign, a border control or a city gate (Q82117). Regarding the different entrances, the type can be specified and for the roads we can use applies to part (P518)road transport (Q516739) without having to create a subproperty. I also changed the example of the border on the ground to avoid ambiguities. The latest examples don't question everything else: I put them only for the purpose of expanding the use of the property to the most global level possible. If they are really that ambiguous, they can be removed to leave only those of buildings and objects. Baidax (talk) 01:30, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the expression included all files but didn't appear correctly, the string that appeared was not even correct. I added a <nowiki> tag. Thank you for pointing it out! Baidax (talk) 11:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
In reality, this is more of a property for the access point. I chose a more meaningful name because most of the access points are the same for entrances and exits or if we take the example of museums, this can often be changed. I think it is simply possible to add multiple values and to specify if needed with qualifiers. In addition, the case you are talking about simply concerns the back of the same access point, a similar case that exists for the Père Lachaise Cemetery (Q311) that I have used as an example. But if you find it relevant, could you provide specific examples please? Baidax (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I liked the idea of a view of the entry. It makes it easier for visitors to look for them. I'm not sure if mixing it with the "exit" (in the same property) would be good. You probably don't want too many values with the same property. For Père Lachaise Cemetery (Q311), File:Père-Lachaise - entrée principale 02.jpg suggests that your sample is fine. Maybe a gallery would make the samples easier to read. (sample). I'm less convinced by File:Baarle Street Border.jpg in either case. --- Jura 13:27, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, this is semantically an exit and as long as the property is called image of entrance I will   Oppose until this example is removed. Ainali (talk) 08:08, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment I suppose I'd support if this was limited to images that someone resemble an entrance, notably not: images of the entrance in the exit direction (A), mere border markings (B). --- Jura 11:36, 5 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jura1: I changed the last image which was a bit ambiguous. Did you know that an entrance can also be used as an exit? (File:Cimetière du Père Lachaise entrée principale (vue ext.).jpg shows the same gate but from the other side) In fact, I should have called the proposal "image of an access point" so it would clearly indicate that it can be used for entrance and exit. I have provided two examples for a single item but a single value may be enough although two values may also be possible for some cases where it is relevant. The principle should mainly apply to buildings, anyway. I tried here to vary the examples to show the level of possible use. Should I rename the proposal somehow? Baidax (talk) 01:47, 17 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think the label should be somehow consistent with the images. If you want entrances, it's currently fine. If you are looking for entrances and exits, it might need a different one. The later would probably increase the number of values further, which somehow makes it less useful as a property for Wikidata. --- Jura 07:59, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Baidax, Pamputt, Ainali, Hannes Röst, Jura1, VIGNERON, Eihel and Arbnos: image of entrance (P9721)   Done. Good contributions, Ederporto (talk) 19:39, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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