Wikidata:Property proposal/medium

medium edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects

Not done

Description	Type of medium depicted by the image, eg. photograph, painting, sculpture, etc. (not genre!)
Data type	Item
Example 1	file:Bangor, Suspension Bridge, From Anglesey (254) LACMA M.2008.40.202.10.jpg → photograph (Q125191)
Example 2	file:portrait LACMA M.77.25.jpg → painting (Q3305213)
Example 3	file:Andromeda and the Sea Monster, and Leda and the Swan, 11364501.jpg → sculpture (Q860861)
Example 4	file:stylized Mona Lisa.svg → painting (Q3305213)
Example 5	file:65-msr-sandaled-foot-5.stl → sculpture (Q860861)
Planned use	Wikimedia Commons structured data

Motivation edit

Using this we can distinguish between photographs, paintings, drawings, etc. --Adam Harangozó (talk) 19:03, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

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Question Why not instance of (P31)? NMaia (talk) 09:49, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question Is there any relation to P7937 - format of creative work or is this something completely different? Moebeus (talk) 16:42, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Question aren't all of the samples above photographs? For this to work, it's probabaly better to call it "Wikimedia Commons basic type" with a clear set of values to use and explicit rules when they apply. @Adam Harangozó: --- Jura 21:51, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

e.g. if more than 80% of the image reproduces a painting, use painting (Q3305213); if a drawing, use drawing. If the main subject is a sculpture, statue or installation, use sculpture (Q860861). Otherwise, if it's a photograph, use photograph (Q125191). --- Jura 14:06, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If the photo shows at 100% an artwork, it is still a photo. --XRay (talk) 19:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @NMaia, Moebeus, Jura1: Sorry for my very slow reply.

instance of (P31) could work but I feel it's a bit conflicting with digital representation of (P6243) - so it an instance of a painting or a digital representation? I know this sounds nitpicking, I'm just trying to advocate for a unified way of handling this issue.
form of creative work (P7937) I feel is a bit confusing as I feel it rather refers to size or some specific type but not a medium as a whole. At the same time the many of the examples on the property page are genres (novel) so it doesn't seem to work consistently.
What is problematic with the "Wikimedia Commons basic type" is that I feel there is a difference between a photo depicting a sculpture - even if it's the main subject, that is a photo, not a sculpture, it's depicted only, and it could be a historical photo where it's "photoness" is important - and a drawing which might have been photographed or digitalised but the whole image represents that drawing, is a drawing. --Adam Harangozó (talk) 17:26, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Isn't that the same problem as your proposal has? The main difference is that the label explicitly refers to Commons' view of that problem and provides clear guidance how to determine it. --- Jura 08:23, 22 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Adam Harangozó: Term "medium" is already used for other things on Commons: Artwork template has a field medium and it might have values like "Oil on Paint". And we need to be clear that the file is likely a photograph or a scan of an object and that object is... Can we call it "digitized object is a" and allow values like: painting, music recording, movie, sculpture, book, page of a book, etc. ? --Jarekt (talk) 02:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- One thing that would be important to consider with naming this property is that it might be a very popular search keyword/option in future Commons (for example if I only want to search for drawings). Because of this I think it should have a name which is friendly to those not using Wikidata, and "digitised object" is a bit too "tech". I would wait for more opinions but maybe something like the mentioned Commons basic type or Commons artwork type could work. Commons artwork medium? Adam Harangozó (talk) 22:57, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

IMO a photograph of a sculpture or something similar is still a photograph. We should not reduce a photograph to a digitised Object. This would demean the work of the photographer. The sculpture is part of depicts (P180), not more. --XRay (talk) 19:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support, an important property for images.--Arbnos (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose no, this is not the solution how to deal with multiple works. Multichill (talk) 19:07, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Not done no consensus for creation of this property --DannyS712 (talk) 01:41, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]