Wikidata:Property proposal/person

grammatical person

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

   Not done

Description	grammatical person of the word
Represents	grammatical person (Q690940)
Data type	Item
Domain	Lexemes and Forms
Allowed values	first-person singular (Q51929218), second-person singular (Q51929369), third-person singular (Q51929447), first-person plural (Q51929290), second-person plural (Q51929403), third-person plural (Q51929517)
Example	we (en) → first-person plural (Q51929290) toi (fr) → second-person singular (Q51929369) esse (de) → first-person singular (Q51929218)
See also	Wikidata:Property proposal/has grammatical person

Motivation

For verbs, personal pronouns, nouns, determiners, etc. Tubezlob (🙋) 20:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 Question I'm not sure how this fits into Lexeme data model (is "we" a lexeme or a form?) but anyway I'd prefer two properties: grammatical number (Q104083) (there are nine instances in Wikidata, not only singular and plural!), and grammatical person in a stricter sense of grammatical person (Q690940). More property candidates can be found as instances of grammatical category (Q980357). Can you change the allowed values and examples to grammatical person (Q690940) and its instances? -- JakobVoss (talk) 06:34, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

 Comment Changed the label to "grammatical person", in accordance with the item label and to make it more clear.--Micru (talk) 17:55, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

 Comment very unsure here. I would like references (like how do dictionaries deal with this?) as a sine qua none condition before creation. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 09:26, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

•  Oppose - already covered by the "grammatical features" functionality of Lexemes. Deryck Chan (talk) 09:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
•  Oppose this is not a property of a Lexeme, but a grammatical feature of a Form. Since grammatical features are modeled directly, no Property is needed. -- Duesentrieb (talk) 12:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

  But for personal pronouns? Tubezlob (🙋) 18:29, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

  Good point. Not sure how to best model this. Creating properties for person, number, mood, etc seems off. Perhaps there should be a generic "grammatical feature" property? -- Duesentrieb (talk) 22:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC) 22:06, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

• @Tubezlob: it might be worth doing a new proposal for the usecases that remain.
  --- Jura 05:38, 26 July 2018 (UTC)
•  Not done, discussion stalled with no support − Pintoch (talk) 09:27, 7 September 2018 (UTC)