Wikidata:Property proposal/position of nasal sonant

position of nasal sonant edit

(moved from Wikidata:Property proposal/Japanese pitch accent)

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Done: position of nasal sonant (P5481) (Talk and documentation)

Description	(qualifier) position of kana with nasal sonant, which occasionally appears at the syllable of "が", "ぎ", "ぐ", "げ", or "ご" in some Japanese words
Represents	nasal sonant in Japanese (Q8017813)
Data type	Quantity
Allowed values	positive integer
Example 1	人間 (ja)/にんげん(ja-Hira) tone or pitch accent class (P5426) heiban (Q53727248) position of accent nucleus (P5427) 0 〈position of nasal sonant/鼻濁音の位置〉3
Example 2	卵 (ja)/たまご(ja-Hira) tone or pitch accent class (P5426) nakadaka (Q53727253) position of accent nucleus (P5427) 2 〈position of nasal sonant/鼻濁音の位置〉3
Example 3	鏡 (ja)/かがみ(ja-Hira) tone or pitch accent class (P5426) odaka (Q53727257) position of accent nucleus (P5427) 3 〈position of nasal sonant/鼻濁音の位置〉2

Discussion

@Was a bee, Afaz: Sorry for pinging. I had forgotten the existence of nasal sonant in Japanese (Q8017813), because it was not implemented in wikt:en:Template:ja-pron. I have created an additional proposal for it. By adding this qualifier, all of the pronunciation presented in Japanese Accent dictionaries may be able to be represented in Wikidata. Regards, --Okkn (talk) 05:46, 5 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Okkn: I googled some pages (e.g. [1]). I learned that there are two possibility about pronunciation of ga, gi, gu, ge, go (がぎぐげご). One is nasal sonant (鼻濁音) and the other is sonant (濁音). This proposal is about nasal sonant (鼻濁音). So I have one question. Which is the case?

Sonant (濁音) is already covered by different property?
Or if there is no nasal-sonant (鼻濁音) qualifier, it means that is sonant (濁音).

If "2" is the case, I think it is better to describe that in description field. --Was a bee (talk) 17:05, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Was a bee: Thank you for commenting. Usually kana in "ガ行" are pronounced as sonant (/g/), and nasal-sonant (/ŋ/) is exceptional. It is similar to position of devoiced vowel (P5428). Furthermore, recently many Japanese people don't use nasal-sonant [2]. So I think there is no need to specify the usual sonant. I changed the description clearly. --Okkn (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support Thank you for explanation. I understand the situation. --Was a bee (talk) 19:34, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support David (talk) 15:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Was a bee, Okkn: Done: position of nasal sonant (P5481). − Pintoch (talk) 07:55, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]