Wikidata:Property proposal/radical

radical edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Done: radical (P5280) (Talk and documentation)

Description	radical of Chinese character
Represents	Chinese character radical (Q849778)
Data type	Item
Domain	Chinese character (Q item [instance of sinogram (Q53764738)] or Lexeme?)
Allowed values	instance of Chinese character radical (Q849778)
Example	一 (Q4025820)/"一" (Lexeme?) → Kangxi radical 1 (⼀) (Q93246) 〈residual stroke count〉 0 叶 (Q3594950)/"叶" (Lexeme?) → Radical 30 (Q95058) 〈residual stroke count〉 2 雪 (Q3595029)/"雪" (Lexeme?) → Radical 173 (Q245052) 〈residual stroke count〉 3
Source	"rad" parameter of wiktionary:Template:Han_char

residual stroke count edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Done: residual stroke count (P5281) (Talk and documentation)

Description	(qualifier) number of residual stroke in addition to radical of Chinese character
Data type	Quantity
Allowed values	non-negative integer
Example	see above main property
Source	"as" parameter of wiktionary:Template:Han_char

Motivation

I'm not sure Chinese characters should be Q item or Lexeme, but this property is important to describe Chinese characters. Okkn (talk) 16:02, 19 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support the first, not sure about the second. Can't it be automatically counted? NMaia (talk) 10:57, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @NMaia: We can’t determine the stroke count of some radicals, such as w:en:Radical 113, because they have multiple types of shapes (示 vs 礻). So we can't automatically count the number of residual strokes. --Okkn (talk) 11:36, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment how does the second proposal relate to Wikidata:Property proposal/stroke count ? ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:51, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @ArthurPSmith: For example, stroke count of "叶" is 5, and the stroke count of Radical 30 (Q95058) ("口") is 3 (see: File:口-bw.png), so the residual stroke count of "叶" is 2 (= 5 - 3 = stroke count of "十"). Furthermore, the radical of both "神" (stroke count 9) and "祟" (stroke count 10) are Radical 113 (Q144674), but the stoke count of Radical 113 (Q144674) can be 4 ("礻") or 5 ("示"), so the residual stroke count of "神" and "祟" are both 5 (= stroke count of "申" = stroke count of "出"). --Okkn (talk) 16:00, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Was a bee (talk) 21:01, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support obviously. As for the previous proposal, it should be extended to all CJKV character, not just Chinese character. VIGNERON (talk) 09:40, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support @Okkn, NMaia, ArthurPSmith, Was a bee, VIGNERON, Deryck Chan: already done?!. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:29, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- @Liuxinyu970226: What do you mean? --Okkn (talk) 07:31, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Okkn: stroke count (P5205) is created, so should I mark this proposal as done? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:33, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - @Liuxinyu970226: stroke count (P5205) is different from properties proposed here. --Okkn (talk) 07:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Prefer Q-item datatype for radical, since most radicals already have items. Deryck Chan (talk) 09:33, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Liuxinyu970226, ArthurPSmith, Was a bee, Deryck Chan, Okkn, NMaia: @VIGNERON: Done: radical (P5280). − Pintoch (talk) 08:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]