Wikidata:Property proposal/rewards this type of work

rewards this type of work

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Under discussion

Description	kind of work for which an award is given
Data type	Item
Domain	Q4372150
Allowed values	work (Q386724), artificial object (Q16686448)
Example 1	Grammy Award for Album of the Year (Q904528)→album (Q482994)
Example 2	Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637)→political activity (Q12142141)
Example 3	Grammy Award for Songwriter of the Year, Non-Classical (Q115810128)→composed musical work (Q207628)
Wikidata project	WikiProject Awards (Q18762205)

Motivation

Useful and defining for awards.

author TomT0m / talk page 09:53, 13 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment I agree that this may be useful. I have just one concern: How would you reconcile this new property with existing ways of modelling e.g. film awards and their subclasses (see. film award (Q4220917), award for best film (Q96474687) and their application, e.g. Academy Awards (Q19020) and Academy Award for Best Picture (Q102427).)

Some cleanup is needed in this area generally, but especially if we introduce a new property that partly overlaps previous modelling approaches. Do we have an overview how this information is stored at the moment? How would you model e.g. Academy Awards (Q19020)? Kind regards, - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

film award (Q4220917) uses : the "of" qualifier (deprecated), and field of work (P101) which is supposed to be mainly used for persons or organizations.

award for best film (Q96474687) uses "facet of" which is mainly supposed to link different viewpoints about a same topic (a thing and its detailed history for example).

To me Academy Awards (Q19020) is a subclass of reward so it's not really a problem, it does not need to be modeled differently. author TomT0m / talk page 13:45, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment How would you see science fiction award (Q107581015) being modelled? Would you just change this item, or Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032) and Hugo Award (Q188914) as well? – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vicarage (talk • contribs).

@Vicarage: For that matter, I'd consider than a genre of fiction works is the (meta)-class of all the works that have the characteristics of science fiction. (ie. science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)work of art (Q838948)), and also work of art (Q838948)instance of (P31)genre (Q483394) (genre would be a metaclass of artwork}}, values for "rewards this type of work" could be instance of genre easily, consistent with the first claim.

So SF is a kind of work, I'd consider that science fiction award (Q107581015)rewards this kind of workscience fiction (Q24925) would be a match.

Also this is a class of reward, just as the Hugo price is, so I'd be perfectly happy with science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)science fiction award (Q107581015) as well as science fiction (Q24925)subclass of (P279)literary award (Q378427) or something like that. author TomT0m / talk page 16:53, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever that C template is, its completely obfuscated what you are trying to say for me. Could you rephrase, using the 3 Q's I mentioned? Ta Vicarage (talk) 18:12, 16 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vicarage: I changed to use Qs and the {{St}} template if you prefer, hope this make things clearer.

As for

film award (Q4220917), award for best film (Q96474687) and Academy Awards (Q19020) and Academy Award for Best Picture (Q102427)

I think there are two choices :

first option, we classify awards like "the Titanic best film academy award in 1998"
In that case I'd do something like award for best film (Q96474687)subclass of (P279)film award (Q4220917) because the "best picture award" is just a special kind of cinema award.

Same for Academy Awards (Q19020)subclass of (P279)film award (Q4220917) because of the same, when you (one ;-) ) receive an academy award, you receive a cinema award, just a special case.

We also have Academy Award for Best Picture (Q102427)subclass of (P279)award for best film (Q96474687) because it's a special case of best film award, of course, the first is given by some institution, the second we know which one. But we could also go with meta-classification in this case and classify awards by type

Also what makes an award an academy award it's that they are given by the academy, so we have just Academy Awardconferred by (P1027)Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, which is already set, and true for all its instances, and film award (Q4220917)given for the type of workfilm (Q11424), of course. And that's it.

second option, we also classify awards like "the Titanic best film academy award in 1998", but we use meta-classification for classes of awards and "Academy best movie award" become an instance of something, a subclass of "type of award" like "best film award in some event", I don't know if that's actually useful. It is compatible with the first option. author TomT0m / talk page 14:02, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

So you just propose amending science fiction award (Q107581015), but nothing below it, so awards series and awards Hugo Award (Q188914) and Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032) would remain unchanged. That minimal change would work for me. Vicarage (talk) 15:29, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vicarage We could definitely put

Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032)rewards this kind of worknovel (Q8261) and
Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032)rewards this kind of workscience fiction (Q24925)

explicitely, and indeed it may be better. Or just use Hugo Award for Best Novel (Q255032)rewards this kind of workscience fiction novel (Q12132683)

But because it's a subclass of classes that already have these statements it would be redundant. author TomT0m / talk page 15:48, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Support if you only do the former, to minimise duplication. I'm just wondering if this property is relevant outside awards, say for honours, where it could be used as a qualifier. Fred Bloggs awarded an knighthood for charitable works. It would need a tweaked name, say "for work in the field of". But this might be stretching it too far. Vicarage (talk) 16:32, 18 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]