Wikidata:Property proposal/substitute director/manager
substitute director/manager edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
| Description | substitute of the director/manager of an organization |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Template parameter | "stellvertreter" / "stellvertreterin" in de:Vorlage:Infobox_Bundesbehörde_Schweiz |
| Domain | organization (Q43229) |
| Allowed values | human (Q5) |
| Example 1 | Federal Department of Foreign Affairs (Q675983) → Ueli Maurer (Q123979) |
| Example 2 | Federal Department of Home Affairs (Q688584) → Ignazio Cassis (Q117254) |
| Example 3 | Federal Department of Justice and Police (Q678586) → Simonetta Sommaruga (Q122991) |
| Planned use | The value is needed in the context of templates for Swiss authorities |
| See also | director / manager (P1037), substitute/deputy/replacement of office/officeholder (P2098) |
Motivation edit
There is presently no appropriate property to refer to the substitute director/manager of a Swiss federal department, as this role is assumed by another Federal Councillor, and not related to a specific function. I assume that similar regulations are in place in other democratically elected governments. --Beat Estermann (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Discussion edit
Comment Isn't this what substitute/deputy/replacement of office/officeholder (P2098) is for? Is this different in some significant way? ArthurPSmith (talk) 20:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- substitute/deputy/replacement of office/officeholder (P2098) has domain "position" and range "position".
- <substitute director/manager> would have domain "organization" and range "agent".
- I don't think we should mix the two. And as I said, I don't see a meaningful way to express the information contained in the templates for Swiss authorities using substitute/deputy/replacement of office/officeholder (P2098); but I am of course open for suggestions. --Beat Estermann (talk) 07:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I don't understand why the domain needs to be different (you are substituting somebody in a position, right?) but your point is that in this case certain specific people are designated as substitutes, not dependent on what position they hold? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:19, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly. The people mentioned in the examples are all members of the same collegial executive body (Federal Council). At the same time, each of them acts as the head of one out of seven federal departments (director / manager (P1037)). In addition, each of them acts as a substitute for one of their colleagues in their role as head of a federal department (<substitute director/manager>). --Beat Estermann (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- I still don't understand why not to just create a separate item for the deputy position and point to it with P39... --Yair rand (talk) 23:02, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
- Exactly. The people mentioned in the examples are all members of the same collegial executive body (Federal Council). At the same time, each of them acts as the head of one out of seven federal departments (director / manager (P1037)). In addition, each of them acts as a substitute for one of their colleagues in their role as head of a federal department (<substitute director/manager>). --Beat Estermann (talk) 21:01, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, I don't understand why the domain needs to be different (you are substituting somebody in a position, right?) but your point is that in this case certain specific people are designated as substitutes, not dependent on what position they hold? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:19, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
Support Ok, seems like something useful. ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Beat Estermann, ArthurPSmith: substitute director/manager (P7169) has been created. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:58, 15 August 2019 (UTC)