Wikidata:Property proposal/thumbnail sharpness
Thumbnail sharpness edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Sister projects
| Description | Property for specifying whether conditional sharpening is used for thumbnails. |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Allowed values | yes (Q6452715) and no (Q1814990) to mimic an boolean property. Would typically not be used for jpegs (see below). |
| Example 1 | File:071017 NRCS Sterling 003 - Ohio (717110)(NRCS Photo Gallery).tif Sharpness: yes (Q6452715) |
| Example 2 | File:Renoir Frau auf einer Wiese.tif Sharpness: yes (Q6452715) |
| Example 3 | File:Herbert Lord 05543u.tif Sharpness: yes (Q6452715) |
| Planned use | Would be used on the beta cluster to begin with for testing purposes, then once the code is complete, then it would be used across all WMF projects. |
| Robot and gadget jobs | no |
| Wikidata project | Wikidata:WikiProject Commons |
Motivation edit
In the thumbnailing system jpegs get sharpness applied to them since commons typically has photographs as jpegs and those get better quality with sharpness applied to them. However, some files exist where they should be sharpened but are not. Drawings would not benefit from sharpening, so the idea is to use an property to specify the files that would gain from using sharpness. This allows the community to select where sharpness should be used for thumbnails. See also phab:T253280 and phab:T256959 for the whole context.
Chose an item type of a property since it makes it multilingual and to limit the options of values that can be entered.--Snævar (talk) 13:10, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Used for specifying to the thumbnailing backend whether sharpness should be used or not, as per phab:T47212, which is being worked on. The dev working on it expects the community to create test data, hence this proposal. Would only be used on commons in structured data. There is only a small dev team (2-3 people) working on the thumnailing system.--Snævar (talk) 23:28, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Discussion edit
- A lot of the description, is great information about the motivation for the property but doesn't make sense in the description field of the property. Can you make the description so that it's similar to other description on Wikidata properties? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
- Fixed, I think. Snævar (talk) 23:42, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Oppose What about using P1552 with "eligible for thumbnail sharpness" and "not eligible for thumbnail sharpness" items? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 00:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
- The idea is okay. The values should be "thumbnail sharpenss" and "no thumbnail sharpness". There is no assessment of whether the property will be used or not, the software will read the value and take some time to make the thumbnail. Also, since the values are items, they are dependant on being allowed by Wikidata:Notability. Granted, I do not have a list of all the available properties in my head. Snævar (talk) 23:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Is there an place for discussing notability of those two items? Snævar (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- I think yes, since this is decisive about the property creation. Aside of that, point 3 of Wd:Notability says that an iten can be acceptable if:
It fulfills a structural need
. So, I don't see a problem on that. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 01:08, 19 December 2022 (UTC)- Great points. If P1552 was used to identify thumbnail sharpness as a trait, what statement could be used? Would a new statement need to be created?
- P1552 also encourages people to "use a more-specific property when possible". Wondering if specificity (as the proposal suggests) is the right way to go on this. This proposal serves a functional need because there is not yet a property for applying sharpness.
- Looking forward to hearing additional ideas and responses. VPoundstone-WMF (talk) 18:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- I think yes, since this is decisive about the property creation. Aside of that, point 3 of Wd:Notability says that an iten can be acceptable if:
- Is there an place for discussing notability of those two items? Snævar (talk) 23:54, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- The idea is okay. The values should be "thumbnail sharpenss" and "no thumbnail sharpness". There is no assessment of whether the property will be used or not, the software will read the value and take some time to make the thumbnail. Also, since the values are items, they are dependant on being allowed by Wikidata:Notability. Granted, I do not have a list of all the available properties in my head. Snævar (talk) 23:41, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Can we determine whether a thumbnail should be sharpened based on existing data? Surely we must have info about whether each image is a drawing or a photograph. — The Erinaceous One 🦔 02:40, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
- Great question. I will look into it and update you about what I learn here. VPoundstone-WMF (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear to currently exist in the structured data: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Properties_table VPoundstone-WMF (talk) 20:54, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- Great question. I will look into it and update you about what I learn here. VPoundstone-WMF (talk) 18:21, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 04:30, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
