Wikidata:Property proposal/use with article

use with article edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

Not done

Description	The term (usually proper noun) is usually used with the specific article, or novalue if article should not be used (by default, any articles may be used if appropriate)
Data type	Lexeme
Domain	lexeme, or sense, or form, if only apply to some sense(s) or form(s)
Example 1	United States (L43377) → the (L2768)
Example 2	Scotland (L254526) → novalue
Example 3	Louvre (L749827) → le (L2770)
Example 4	Mississippi (L447503-S2) → the (L2768)
Example 5	Palouse (L749829-S2) → the (L2768)
Example 6	Carolinas (L254532-F2) → the (L2768)

GZWDer (talk) 20:44, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support. I added a French example. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 21:51, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 22:01, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose We can already use requires grammatical feature (P5713) definite article (Q2865743) to say a definite article is required. - Nikki (talk) 13:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- But Nikki, is there still a need to specify which definite article is used? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 00:04, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  @AdamSeattle: Do you have any examples where the article can't be inferred from other information (e.g. language, grammatical gender where applicable)? - Nikki (talk) 10:59, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Nikki: I'm trying to think of an example in English where it wouldn't be "the". Perhaps something like Swede (L34485), where you can have "a Swede", or "the Swedes", or Swedes without an article (Swedes are often fluent in English). AdamSeattle (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How is that different from any normal English noun though? e.g. for cat (L7) you can have "a cat", "the cats" and "cats". - Nikki (talk) 21:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question Are there any examples from languages where there is more than one definite article available? -عُثمان (talk) 17:40, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment leaning towards Oppose for the moment. @GZWDer: I don't rally understand the proposition right now, for the examples in English, it's a boolean (L2768 and novalue), the need for a value-centric property is not clear and other property can be used. For the French example, it's a bit strange (there was no gender on Louvre (L749827) and le (L2770) covers both masculine and feminine), again I don't see the need for this property. At the very least, more example and explanations are needed. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 09:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 13:44, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]