Wikidata:Property proposal/voting age (reproposed)
voting age edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization
| Description | minimum age established by law that a person must attain to be eligible to vote in a public election |
|---|---|
| Represents | voting age (Q338753) |
| Data type | Number (not available yet) |
| Domain | position (Q4164871), public election (Q40231) |
| Allowed values | 0-100 |
| Allowed units | years old (Q24564698) |
| Example 1 | President of the United States (Q11696) → 18 years old (Q24564698) |
| Example 2 | 1968 United States presidential election (Q693742) → 21 years old (Q24564698) |
| Example 3 | municipal election in Denmark (Q12322522) → 18 years old (Q24564698) |
| Example 4 | member of the Folketing (Q12311817) → 20 years old (Q24564698) (start time (P580) September 21, 1971; end time (P582) September 19, 1978) |
| Planned use | during the next month I'll specify this for all parliament elections and referendums in Denmark (since 1849) |
| Expected completeness | eventually complete (Q21873974) |
| See also | subproperty of minimum age (P2899), related to age of candidacy (P2998) |
- Motivation
This is a reproposal of Wikidata:Property_proposal/voting_age which was dismissed without much discussion. I think this proporty is just a relevant as age of candidacy (P2998). Even though neither property can comprise all requirements for voting/running in an election, the voting age is a universal and well-defined aspect relevant to almost any election. So for consistency I think we should either have both or neither of these two properties.
This proposal overlaps with right to vote (P2964), but that property has some issues as mentioned on Property_talk:P2964. The property was created in 2016, but so far it is only used on 68 items. One interesting usage (though not in line with the original intention with this property) is Q17#P2964. That may be an alternative way to represent voting age (Q338753) and age of candidacy (Q4691918).
Yet another way is to represent voting age and other requirements is using a new property, “eligible voters”, and the value human (Q5) (or elector (Q62836368)) with appropriate qualifies such as minimum age (P2899), sex or gender (P21), country of citizenship (P27) etc.
I am looking forward to reading your comments on this. --C960657 (talk) 17:04, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
- Discussion
Support – I think this is a useful property for describing elections and elected assemblies. The previous proposal only had examples with whole countries, and this can easily get messy as there are often different rules for different elections within a country. But this proposal I think is good. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2022 (UTC)- Ping relevant projects:
Notified participants of WikiProject elections and Notified participants of WikiProject Parliaments --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I don't understand why we need to create a new property to fix the mistakes of right to vote (P2964). As mentioned on Property_talk:P2964, there are several circumstances to define who has the right to vote, but your proposal just covers the "minimun age". However, the solution you show of Q17#P2964 seems to be more open and flexible. So, I rather to try to explain better and document with good examples the P2964 and avoid the risk to have the "minimun age" in P2964 and/or this new property. Salut!, Amadalvarez (talk) 04:54, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Neutral I see that for Q41#P2964 another solution was used. Maybe it would be interesting to analyze first how right to vote (P2964) is used. What will be the usage (templates, ...)?
- Tank you Dipsacus fullonum for having notify the projects. --Dom (talk) 08:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Even though age is just one of several requirements for voting, I don't think that alone disqualifies this proposal (age of candidacy (P2998) was accepted afterall). But a more flexible property might be useful.
- If we were to redefine right to vote (P2964) (or create a new property with is able to represent a wide range of voter eligibility requirements), I can imagine at least three different definitions:
- A) Each statement represents a class of eligible voters, usually human (Q5) (could also be some kind of organization (Q43229)), with qualifiers such as sex or gender (P21), minimum age (P2899), country of citizenship (P27), permanent resident of (P5389), position held (P39) (e.g. member of the U.S. Electoral College (Q96761771)). There would usually only be one statement per subject (except to represent changes in eligibility over time using start time (P580) and end time (P582)). An eligible voter must match all qualifiers of the relevant statement.
- B) Each statement represents a property which an eligible voter must have, such as age of a person (Q185836) with qualifier minimum age (P2899), national citizenship (Q42138) with qualifier country of citizenship (P27), biological sex (Q290) with qualifier sex or gender (P21). A person eligible to vote must have all the properties specificied.
- C) Each statement represents a concept related to voter eligibility such as universal suffrage (Q319891), felony disenfranchisement in Virginia (Q48772221), women's suffrage in Peru (Q60824998), suffrage in Sweden (Q10659165).
- Definition C cannot be used to generate lists of voting age etc. but works as pointers to further reading on the topic. This may be useful, but I think such a property should be supplemented by one or more other properties that contains data in a more structured form.
- Even though alternatives A and B are more flexible than a specific voting age property, there are still many requirements which cannot easily be represented.
- Of these options, I prefer alternative A. I think the use of qualifiers in B feels a bit off. And C does not offer the data in a sufficiently structured way. --C960657 (talk) 18:13, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 09:53, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
