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 Approved Legoktm (talk) 20:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Task/s: Import birth and death dates from enwiki including sources

Code: Not existing yet

Function details: The articles listed at w:Lists of deaths by year contain a lot of dates with sources which can be imported to Wikidata. The bot will import the date as well as the source if any to the corresponding item. If you like this feature, the bot can also import a source if the exact value already exists on the item. This is optional but I would recommened to add as much sources as possible. Note that I first ask for your comments and thus no code exists yet. Please comment your concerns below (if any). --Bene* talk 10:51, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea. But is there any way you can detect that your second example is actually a stale link ? --Zolo (talk) 18:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I can try to find out if it is a 404 not found or a redirect and if so ignore the link. Will have a look into that. -- Bene* talk 18:12, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Spoke with Bene* on IRC, and he said his bot will check for 404s now. The redirect one is weird because it's not a true 404, meaning it's going to be hard for a bot to detect. If we find out there are a lot of dead links the bot can't detect, we can re-evaluate the task. Legoktm (talk) 20:18, 9 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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 Oppose Because if you import data from wikipedia the correct source would be "imported from": "enwiki" and not "stated in":whateverpage. You have to check the sources for the dates if you want to reference them. --Lbenedix (talk) 20:25, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, this page is closed for comments but I find that a strange argument. If "died in 1995, source: A" is correct in Wikipedia copying the same statement in Wikidata remains just as correct. --Zolo (talk) 08:07, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I haven't seen that the discussion was closed, I heared about this bot request on twitter and wanted to oppose that saying a source A makes a claim about X referencing source B is another claim than referencing source B directly. --Lbenedix (talk) 09:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see it this way:
Wikipedia says : ("source A says B")
if ("source A says B") is true and BeneBot* copies ("source A says B") onto Wikidata then
we have ("source A says B") on Wikidata and that is still correct
if ("source A says B") is correct but BeneBot* copies something else then
BeneBot* should be fixed
if ("source A says B") is incorrect (that is the source does not says that), then Wikipedia should be fixed, and Wikidata should also be fixed. --Zolo (talk) 11:30, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion it's wrong to get information from source A and claim it came from source B. I learnt that you have to reference the sources you use and not claim that you took the primary source if you only read a secondary source. --Lbenedix (talk) 22:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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