Wikidata:WikiProject UK and Ireland/adm/England/issues

Issues to think about, for preparing to work on Administrative subdivisions of England

Questions

Countries

• What about (non-place) things that specifically apply only to England, or only to England and Wales, as opposed to the whole UK ?
  • eg: laws, sporting competitions, associations, ...
    • laws: use applies to jurisdiction (P1001)

Regions

• Should these be included in the P131 hierarchy ?
  • For -- useful hierarchical division with clean hierarchy, used by statistical agencies, inclusion makes regions easy to query by
  • Against -- is much administration being done at this level, if P131 is meant to indicate formal administrative structures ?

Counties

• Should these be included in the P131 hierarchy ?
  • Against: Can break clean hierarchy, both downwards and upwards
  • For: Often the strongest form of geographical identification; very likely to be added; and should be queryable

• How to deal with "county council areas" that are smaller than ceremonial counties ?

• How to link to "county council" items ?
  • forward: legislative body (P194) / back: applies to jurisdiction (P1001) ?

• How to deal with "historic" counties -- eg Sussex, Cheshire -- and counties where the historic counties were much larger, eg Lancashire, that people still identify with ?
  • and historic divisions such as 'wapentakes' -- is it okay to use P131 between purely historical items ?

is it appropriate to use P131 to locate historical items within current items (eg Westmorland within Cumbria?) Or does this (i) represent a historical anachronism; (ii) make it harder to query for current administrative divisions ?

Civil parishes

• Should these be included at the lowest level of the P131 hierarchy? Or should we prefer wards / electoral divisions ?
  • (Civil parishes may be more stable ?)
  • Do wards / electoral divisions often cross parish boundaries? Would it matter if a ward were in two parishes? (Rejoinder: means you couldn't definitively query any more for things in the parish)
• Very often share an item with village, town or hamlet -- is this appropriate ?

Coverage

Stats. Currently there are:

• 181714 items with coordinates within 665 km of the Isle of Arran (Autolist) (properties); 8458 places within 330 km of Clifden (Autolist) (properties)

• 70680 places in the UK (Autolist) (subclasses) (properties), 3048 places in Ireland (country) (Autolist) (subclasses) (properties), and 2 places in Ireland (island) (Autolist) (properties)

• Top classes of items with no P131: tinyurl.com/ojpfs7j

• 38106 places in the UK with a located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) (Autolist)

• Top classes of items with P131 = England: tinyurl.com/p6648ow
• Top classes of items with P131 = England (only): tinyurl.com/q2js8ac

• 26784 places in the UK with a P131 excluding England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, N.Ireland (Autolist)

• 26777 places in the UK with a P131 excluding England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, N.Ireland, UK (Autolist)

• places in UK with P131 -> not in the UK tinyurl.com/pa6h3ft
• classes of values for P131 that are subdivs of UK: tinyurl.com/op6m5nx
• classes of values for P131, where the value is not one for an adm subdiv of UK: tinyurl.com/oa3rvaw

Places of birth:

• 4650 in the UK: tinyurl.com/o29h64b
• 3669 with P131: tinyurl.com/p3u7aq4
• 2908 with P131 excluding England tinyurl.com/o858s4s

• Top 200 places of birth with no P131: tinyurl.com/poz2bxp
• Top 200 places of birth with P131 = England: tinyurl.com/nmdkhfr