Wikidata talk:Recoin

Delay in loading

I love the idea of this indicator but it taking forever to load. Any chance this can be improved / addressed? -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 22:42, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

We are looking into it. I'll report soon! Ls1g (talk) 11:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks so much. I disabled it for now as it is slowing down editing Wikidata for me, but if you can ping me I would like to try to implement it again. Best, -- Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 18:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

@BrillLyle: The slowness may be related to a general bug that was resolved over the weekend. Could you recheck whether the speed is satisfactory now? Ls1g (talk) 13:11, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ls1g: Oh my -- yes the slowness is gone -- it's very speedy and works well. Very nice! Very satisfactory. Best, Erika aka BrillLyle (talk) 23:05, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Offering contra-sex ids

For cyclists I see that where a female cyclist has CQ Ranking female cyclist ID (P2709) in pace in the identifiers, that it is suggesting that CQ Ranking male cyclist ID (P1541) is missing. Is that something that needs to be prevented on the property as a constraint, or is that something controlled within your options? See Vicki Whitelaw (Q19519519) for an example.  — billinghurst sDrewth 06:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

That looks like a tricky one! So far Recoin does not consider any constraints, but as it is, I do not even see any constraint preventing this on Property_talk:P1541. We do a little filtering on the class level, i.e., filter out things like date of death (P570) and image of grave (P1442) as otherwise they are suggested for all living humans, but the present case requires to look at values (gender). I take note of this case - do you see a way to formulate a constraint saying that female cyclists can't have CQ Ranking male cyclist ID (P1541)? Ls1g (talk) 14:51, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

For a trans athlete, that could be a valid situation (I think -- I don't know much about competitive cycling). Arlo Barnes (talk) 07:37, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

It should be noted that trans people on wikidata are usually classed as trans woman (Q1052281) or trans man (Q2449503). I generally disagree with this classification, however this would be one situation where it may be useful.

The only edge case I can think of is someone transitioning, competing in the new sport category, then detransitioning. However, that would require someone to be:

1. notable enough for wikidata
2. an athlete in a sport with trans-friendly rules
3. transition far enough to be allowed to compete in a different gender category
4. detransition

none of these are frequent on their own, and i would imagine there would only ever be a single digit number of such items, which could be added to a list of exceptions. Binarycat32 (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Tools list update

This is great! I've added the screenshot, and updated the link at the WD:Tools page, but I wasn't sure whether to replace the instructions on how to install, with the (newer?) instructions from this page. Also, I suggest turning the old script location (User:Ls1g/recoin-core.js) into a redirect to the new location, so that anyone who is using that old version gets updated. Cheers, Quiddity (talk) 19:43, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

@Quiddity: Thanks for the update of the tool list, I had forgotten about that. I put now also the second variant there and updated the installation instructions. Regarding the redirect for the old script location, I attempted to create a redirect as per w:en:Wikipedia:User_pages#Deleting_your_user_page_or_subpages, could you maybe check whether I did it right? Ls1g (talk) 13:41, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ls1g: I believe the way you've got it now, is correct. Thanks for the other fixes at the Tools page, and again for this whole feature! :) Quiddity (talk) 18:22, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Translation

Thank you for this amazing tool! Is it possible to display the properties labels in the user main language? Tubezlob (🙋) 20:17, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! We are working on this and will push the changes soon. Property labels will be translated automatically, few other strings can be manually translated here. Preview see picture on the right. Ls1g (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Preview of multilingual version of Recoin

@Tubezlob:: Deployed now, should display everything in the language as defined in the user settings. Strings can be translated as per above, please let us know in case of any issues! Ls1g (talk) 16:54, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your work! Tubezlob (🙋) 20:40, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Add statement

Would it be possible to add "addstatement" function (already at User:Vvekbv/recoin.js) to gadget version as well?--Jklamo (talk) 23:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes we want to do that - gadgets can only be edited by admins, we contacted one and are waiting for a reply. I'll let you know when the gadget is updated. Ls1g (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

@Jklamo: Now added for all Wikibase properties. Please let us know in case of any issues. Ls1g (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ls1g: Already noticed (and used). I have not noticed yet any issues. Thanks for implementation! --Jklamo (talk) 17:00, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Newbie questions

Question: How is Property:P1853 "Blood type" on this list, is that relevant (or even desirable) information for most people? I keep running into this editing musicians and pop stars ;) Moebeus (talk) 00:07, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

It's based on the usage on Wikidata. The information is mostly present on Korean and Japanese artists. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:08, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Invalid SQL query

After loading TER Lisboa Expresso (Q9081217), this is reported in the console:

SyntaxError: missing ; before statement

Further details reveal a possible bug in the backend:

Cannot execute query: SELECT pid2, count, probability FROM wikidatawiki_p.wbs_propertypairs WHERE (pid1, qid1) IN ) and pid2 not in (127,127) order by probability desc limit 50

Matěj Suchánek (talk) 19:20, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that. This scenario was because there was no available data that Recoin could produce for the item TER Lisboa Expresso (Q9081217). We were using that to debug certain scenarios, now I have changed the output to print "No data available" text instead.--Vvekbv (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Should not suggest constraint violations

In the "Most relevant properties which are absent" section, some of the suggested "relevant" properties are occasionally properties that would be constraints violations. I think it would be better if Recoin did not suggest that editors add such properties. --Yair rand (talk) 16:16, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Also noticed and I agree, that it would be better if Recoin did not suggest these.--Jklamo (talk) 09:11, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, do you know of generic way to check whether a property would create a conflict? I looked at some examples and it looks like it could be challenging to implement all checks from scratch. Also I wonder how strict all these constraints are: CQ Ranking female cyclist ID (P2709) demands via conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838) that no CQ Ranking male cyclist ID (P1541) is present - makes sense. But what about the constraint that CQ Ranking female cyclist ID (P2709) requires sex or gender (P21)? That looks less necessary, should that be enforced too? Is there a core subset of constraints, e.g. only conflicts-with constraint (Q21502838) that one should focus on? Ls1g (talk) 14:03, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

How about subject type constraint (Q21503250)? I think that would be the most relevant. --Yair rand (talk) 22:14, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Bug?

Something weird going on on Jan Jonker (Q47500903), stays on least complete. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 08:20, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting, the problem was that both of his professions had each only two instances. So easily 50% to 100% of the comparison entities had some properties that Jan Jonker (Q47500903) did not have (the dropdown list should have shown those). We changed the computation now so that we only compute occupation-specific completeness if there are at least 50 or 200 (exact to be yet determined) entities having that occupation, otherwise completeness will be calculated wrt. general humans (also not ideal as now it asks for sport-related properties, as sportsmen make up a significant share of the general humans, but at least completeness is at second highest level now). Ls1g (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Raise the bar for researchers?

The occupation researcher (Q1650915) doesn't really have hard targets, see for example Feiko ter Kuile (Q37606371). Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

After some rethinking, it would look weirdly. Ignore this. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:28, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Ignore dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576) and replaced by (P1366) per same reasoning as date of death (P570)

See Hunze en Aa's (Q14941974) for some example, this is because the majority of the items classified as water board in the Netherlands (Q702081) are former entities. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 15:27, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Sjoerddebruin: The properties dissolved, abolished or demolished date (P576) and replaced by (P1366) are now treated same as date of death (P570). So they would not be suggested by Recoin.--Vvekbv (talk) 09:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 09:56, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Recoin & qualifiers

Not sure if Recoin looks at qualifiers & their absence; if not, might this be something to think about? I note this thread on Project Chat, which if it is not trying to reinvent Recoin in another form, might be asking for something which I read as roughly Recoin dealing with qualifiers. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:23, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Extension

Is there the way to extend list (about 5 or 10 more positions or add second table on the right with next 10 positions) with missing properties? Eurohunter (talk) 18:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

@Eurohunter:. By default Recoin shows a maximum of 10 properties. You can access more properties using the https://tools.wmflabs.org/recoin/getmissingattributes.php?lang=en&subject=Q15074414&n=100 where n is the number of properties you would like to see. Unfortunately, the gadgets do not have a user preference setting specific to each gadget, so for now it is not included in the default gadget. Hope this is useful. --Vvekbv (talk) 16:56, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Vvekbv: Link doesn't works anymore? Eurohunter (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Outage

The tool does not work for me for a few days. Any plans to fix it?--Jklamo (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Jklamo:. Apologies for the issue. This has been fixed now. --Vvekbv (talk) 07:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, works again.--Jklamo (talk) 16:11, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Recoin seems out again... no icon, and the menu for top missing properties does not deploy when clicking on it. Thanks for looking at it, please :) --Hsarrazin (talk) 09:16, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hsarrazin:. Apologies for the inconvenience. We are working on fixing this issue and Recoin should be up as soon as possible. --Vvekbv (talk) 07:49, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

thanks ! this was brought to my attention by a new GLAM contributor who just installed it, and thought they'd done some mistake ;) --Hsarrazin (talk) 07:51, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

@Hsarrazin:. The issue has been fixed now. Thank you for notifying it. --Vvekbv (talk) 14:45, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

Stuck

Recoin is stuck @ Q6262560 :( --Hedwig in Washington (talk) 10:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Hedwig in Washington:. Could you please explain on the issue. I notice that it works fine from my end. --Vvekbv (talk) 12:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

The indicator didn't change color, now it works again. Thanks for having a peek. :) Hedwig in Washington (talk) 00:02, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Source code?

Hello!

Apologies if I missed it, but I was curious about the source-code of the recoin tool − is it available somewhere?

Thanks! Jean-Fred (talk) 14:00, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Jean-Frédéric:, thanks for your interest in Recoin. The database from which Recoin gadget loads the suggestion can be found under section "Data Dumps". For more details please reach me at balaraman@fbk.eu, I would be happy to provide further details. --Vvekbv (talk) 10:15, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Avoid encouraging populating the gender field for living people

I think it would be wise to either completely avoid encouraging the population of the sex or gender property for living people, or to at least show a warning reminding people of the living people policy and cautioning not to populate that property without a reliable source. Asaf Bartov (talk) 14:03, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Ijon:, Thanks for bringing this to our attention. We have pushed an update to recoin that filters the gender property in the suggestion..--Vvekbv (talk) 16:09, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Faster recognition

Hello,

I would like "Most relevant properties" (above the Labels) to go faster in its recognition. There are properties that are only used in certain cases. For example, using ISAN (P3212), we are sure to know what it is about. The addition of duration (P2047), director (P57), etc. become essential.

Best regards. —Eihel (talk) 07:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Database update

Any plans for property frequencies database update? Recoin is still a very useful tool, but the database is a bit outdated, for example suggesting deleted properties. --Jklamo (talk) 10:55, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Jklamo:, Thanks for your interest in Recoin and bringing this issue. Currently, we are running an update of the database and should be reflected in the Recoin gadget by tomorrow (September 17).--Vvekbv (talk) 09:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Not working anymore

The gadget is not loading lately. When I click on "Recoin: Most relevant properties which are absent" list is not appearing, and there's no icon on the top right. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Yes! I have the same problem. I spotted the problem yesterday but i thought it was my computer :-( --Soylacarli (talk) 18:36, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

I have the same problem. Diegobiavati (talk) 21:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I have the same problem, :( Lalviarez (talk) 17:56, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Triggerhippie4:, @Soylacarli:, @Diegobiavati:, @Lalviarez:. This was brought to my attention recently and now the gadget issue is fixed. If you face other issues please let me know.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vvekbv (talk • contribs) at 05:05, 11 October 2021 (UTC).

Thank you! --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 05:12, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Down again

@Vvekbv Recoin seems to be down in the last few days, what's up? Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 18:56, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

used to-day, operational normally -- Christian 🇫🇷 FR (talk) 17:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

purpose of column 'Add Claim' ?

Hi all, can someone update the page explaining the purpose of last column 'Add claim' with '+' or not, and when clicked what is expected in the textbox and the action of 'Publish' ? Thanks. -- Christian 🇫🇷 FR (talk) 17:21, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

For items that have the item datatype, it provides a shortcut for creating a new statement with that value. Unfortunately it's a bit buggy (namely pressing enter will hide the form instead of submitting it) Binarycat32 (talk) 20:47, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Not working

When I click on "Recoin: Most relevant properties which are absent" list is not appearing,Please tell me how to save this Roci xu (talk) 05:44, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Recoin only works on items with an instance of (P31) statement. Additionally, it takes a while for it to start working once the indicator is added. Binarycat32 (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Never suggest deleted properties

On a number of occasions I have had Recoin suggest properties that no longer exist, such as P3231 (P3231). Usually these properties are also stuck at a very high level of usage (85% in my case), which means the item will always be stuck at the lowest completeness. Binarycat32 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

All unicode blocks are suggesting "official website", despite none of them having it

if you go to Latin-1 Supplement (Q574509) it says 58.03% of unicode blocks have an "official website" property, but when you run a query for it, you get nothing. possibly the result of an outdated database?

#title: unicode blocks with an official website
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?web WHERE {
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q109613493.
  ?item wdt:P856 ?web.
}

unicode blocks with an official website

Binarycat32 (talk) 02:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)