Wikidata talk:Translation administrators
Admins giving themselves translation adminship edit
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- Consensus is to allow administrators the technical ability to grant themselves the "translation administrator" right. Filed as bugzilla:46856. Legoktm (talk) 19:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Why not let existing administrators add themselves to the translation admin group, like they do at Meta (see m:WM:TA)? Mathonius (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- This is also my opinion (see here). I would support the implementation of the complete metawiki policy here. Greetings, Vogone talk 01:24, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, we just need a bugzilla request. So to be official, I
Support. --Rschen7754 01:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC) - Support – Makes sense to allow admins to add/remove themselves from the group. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 02:31, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- A question though - who would be allowed to give translation admin to other users? On Meta bureaucrats are responsible for this, but we don't have them here. Stewards may refuse to grant rights if local users can do it. --Rschen7754 03:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Until we have no local bureaucrats stewards should still do it. In fact, stewards are just replacing 'crats here. Regards, Vogone talk 12:53, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but the question remains of whether the stewards will still act, as they are not bound to do so by our policies. --Rschen7754 21:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- If we implement the meta policy, bureacrats can assign the translationadmin flag to non-admins. Thus, the stewards would have to act, because we do not have any bureaucrat elected by the community to fulfill that role. Regards, Vogone talk 21:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've talked with some others, and apparently the software will restrict you from giving translation adminship to anyone but yourself as an admin. So the stewards will be forced to act in this situation. --Rschen7754 22:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I thought this was clear. Regards, Vogone talk 22:51, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I've talked with some others, and apparently the software will restrict you from giving translation adminship to anyone but yourself as an admin. So the stewards will be forced to act in this situation. --Rschen7754 22:37, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- If we implement the meta policy, bureacrats can assign the translationadmin flag to non-admins. Thus, the stewards would have to act, because we do not have any bureaucrat elected by the community to fulfill that role. Regards, Vogone talk 21:59, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, but the question remains of whether the stewards will still act, as they are not bound to do so by our policies. --Rschen7754 21:46, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Until we have no local bureaucrats stewards should still do it. In fact, stewards are just replacing 'crats here. Regards, Vogone talk 12:53, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support sysops being able to add/remove translationadmin from themselves. Ajraddatz (Talk) 19:45, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
Oppose I would actually prefer if this is not the case. In order to do translation admin stuff you should know what you are doing, as there are quite a few ways to easily screw things up and creating huge problems for others, and wasting lots of people's time. Say, for example, you forget to uncheck the box that says "do not invalidate translations" when you are marking a page for translation that has just had some minor stylistic changes to the text. If the page has, say, 20 translations, that will lead to translators in 20 languages having to go through and redo the translations, just because of one translation admin's small mistake. That's not to say it should be difficult to become a translation admin, but I think people should go through an RFP to know why they want/need it, and that they understand the basics of how it works (and how not to screw things up). Jon Harald Søby (talk) 00:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)- Well, in fact it does not make any difference, whether the right is granted by stewards or local sysops. Every sysop can get the permission without any further discussion, so that the risk you mentioned is always there. This proposal is just for simplifying the procedure for getting translation adminship. Kind regards, Vogone talk 00:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Actually it's just the same, if admin asks it on Meta or grant it for itself, so support. --Stryn (talk) 06:09, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose It's not that I don't trust the admins, becouse I do, but it is a matter of knowing what you are doing. At least as it is currently, admins have to ask stewards for this right. That is enough so they think for a second about whether they really need it and hopefully also about wether they know anything about translation adminship.--Snaevar (talk) 16:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Not really. The stewards have no influence to our local policy and if the policy says, that admins can have this permission without any discussion or qualification it will also be granted without any further discussion. The stewards don't decide who becomes a translation admin, but the community does. Regards, Vogone talk 17:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support If we ever remove the rule that admins don't need to pass RFP to be given translation adminship (though personally I think that's a sensible rule), then we can have a policy prohibiting admins from granting themselves TA. Until then, though, there's no reason to be dependent on meta for something for which we don't require any evaluation of consensus. — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 02:18, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- (I'd like to clarify that I'd also support allowing admins to grant TA to other users. If admins can give out rollback, which, with the right script installed, allows a user to revert hundreds of edits with a single click, why shouldn't they be able to give out a right that's only granted to users who've received significant community support?) — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 02:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support Admins can request translationadmin rights without any discussion, so I think they can grant themselves this rights. --β16 - (talk) 09:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support; we should trust our sysops, including trusting them not to use their tools just because they are there if they don't understand them. James F. (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- Support unless the policy is changed, and the translation admin package is given through a separate vote, just like adminship. — ΛΧΣ21 05:46, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose per above (Snaevar and Jon Harald Søby). This activity proved to be very specific, very little overlap with the tasks of wiki administration. And any negligent or bad change on one page leads to the fact that many translators are unnecessary notifications. Etc. As a rule, for this work is not needed regular admin's rights. --Kaganer (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Support per Vogone --Bene* talk 19:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
Templates not using Translate edit
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the current system, but are any of the templates in Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Autotranslate supposed to be not using Translate? --Yair rand (talk) 01:06, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- These templates was created (imported) before starting widely using Translate Extension. I support their migration to a new system (with importing all exists translations). --Kaganer (talk) 17:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
Could somebody please comment there? Thank you in advance.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Translation hints edit
Dear collegues! For your information. Currently at the many translatable pages used some templates to create a universal links to translatable/localized content (pages, templates, media).
{{Lang links}},{{LL}}— for links to another translatable page (created link over "Special:MyLanguage"){{Translatable navigation template}},{{TNT}}— to call the language version of the template that matches the language of the translation page (if available){{Localized media}},{{LM}}— to call the localized version of the mediafile that matches the language of the translation page (if available); required standartized filenames in relation to the English version.
Please note and use! --Kaganer (talk) 14:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Some suggestions for achieving translator friendliness edit
Hello all! I would like to suggest some good practices for translation administration:
When a translated page is edited, check that it is "translator friendly" before marking the changes for translation:
- Avoid too small translation units. No split sentences or other things that require a specific word order etc. in the target language.
- Avoid too big translation units. Split lists with much text with translate tags so each list item will be separate translation units. Split big tables so each row – or maybe in some cases cell – will be separate translation units.
- Extract numbers etc. that are likely to change regularly to translation variables, and use the PLURAL parser function. That is important for languages with several plural forms.
- Use the link templates mentioned above.
- Generally wait at least some hours or a day after an edit to make sure the page is relatively stable again before marking the changes for translation, to avoid unnecessarily wasting the translators' time and work if several changes occur.
Regards, Byrial (talk) 12:58, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
Policy addition edit
I hereby propose to add the following sentence to our TA policy, as it currently contains nothing about the approval process.
Bureaucrats are tasked with deciding whether to grant translation administrator rights,
and they are removed if a bureaucrat deems it appropriate to do so (e.g. due to inactivity).
This is basically what we already do, but I would like to have this added to the policy to avoid any misunderstandings. I am going to implement this in 3 days, unless there are any objections. Cheers, Vogone talk 23:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
- Good idea since, like you said, right now there is nothing about the current approval process. The Anonymouse (talk) 01:21, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Implemented Vogone talk 00:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
Ask for translation edit
Hi, where is the correct place to ask to mark a page for translation? I want to ask to mark Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings but I don't know if I should to write some translation admins or if there is a place for requests. Thanks! --Dvdgmz (talk) 11:55, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Dvdgmz: Requests appear on Special:PageTranslation. I have just modified the page for better translating and maintaining. Before marking for translation, I would recommend you to create a subpage for "Participants", so we don't have to mark the page everytime someone adds themselves. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 14:03, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Matěj Suchánek: Thanks! Done. look the section using subpage. Then, in other cases, if I want to mark for translation a documentation page I only have to put the languages and translate tags and I don't need to ask for that anywhere? --Dvdgmz (talk) 09:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Dvdgmz: I am not sure I understand you. If you modify a translatable page, translation admins can mark it if they don't see any problem. (Marking for translation can be only done by them.) Matěj Suchánek (talk) 12:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Matěj Suchánek: What I want to know is how to ask for a page to be translatable. Adding <languages/> in it? <translate> tags as well? Or only asking for that in some place like WD:TN? --Dvdgmz (talk) 12:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- IMO you don't have to ask anywhere. Adding <translate> is sufficient. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 12:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- Asking at WD:TN is certainly a good approach, but in case you're willing to read into the technical aspects, there is documentation available. Except for the marking itself, you should be able to do all this yourself, if you are willing to. After you familiarised yourself with all the documentation, I'd also see no problem in just granting you the translation administrator right, we are always in need of people doing this kind of work. Regards, Vogone (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Matěj Suchánek: What I want to know is how to ask for a page to be translatable. Adding <languages/> in it? <translate> tags as well? Or only asking for that in some place like WD:TN? --Dvdgmz (talk) 12:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Dvdgmz: I am not sure I understand you. If you modify a translatable page, translation admins can mark it if they don't see any problem. (Marking for translation can be only done by them.) Matěj Suchánek (talk) 12:31, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Matěj Suchánek: Thanks!
- @Dvdgmz: WD:TN is the appropriate noticeboard for translation-related questions and requests. Vogone (talk) 10:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
- @Vogone: Thanks, I'll use WD:TN for future questions. --Dvdgmz (talk) 12:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Ask to move a page title edit
Hi, since nobody opposed here there is the need to move the name of this project page to a more genenric title. I'd duggest "disambiguations" or "disambiguations and homonymes".
There is a lot of wor to be set up for the next years and it' can't be done without an appropriate hub. Please? Alexmar983 (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Weekly wikidata Summary #620 - Admin please mark changes for translation edit
Dear Translate Admins,
I have just submitted the latest Wikidata:Status updates/2024 03 18 #620. I have added <translate> tags based on previous examples and instruction from Mohammed Sadat (WMDE), but I do not have admin rights to mark them for translation. I would be very grateful if someone could process that for me, thank you.
Kind regards, Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 12:26, 18 March 2024 (UTC)