Wikidata talk:WikiProject Education

Thanks for starting this, definitely needed!

I have a feeling the page as it stands has a bit of a US institutional bias - the organization of higher/post-secondary education in other countries can be quite different. We had a long and unsettled debate recently in Project chat on the proper high-level class structure with significant differences between Germany and English-speaking countries, though I think there's a solution in there somewhere.

Also I'd be interested in expanding the scope here to include research institutions (government laboratories and facilities) - or should that be a separate WikiProject? ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:48, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Welcome! You're absolutely correct that the initial version of the page (let's call it version 0.1) has a US bias. That's only because I'm writing what I know first. I've just begun cataloguing ID properties from other nations. One of the important next steps is looking at education structures across the world. What entities should be used? Which ones are international and which should be country-specific? I also know that the current version of this page is biased toward postsecondary education, and I'd like to broaden the WikiProject to include all levels. And while I hadn't originally thought that research facilities are in the direct scope of this WikiProject, I've already done some research lab work because Desert Research Institute (Q5264004) is part of (P361) Nevada System of Higher Education (Q7003622). And there's so much education work done at the doctoral levels that's primary research. So yes, I think research would be an excellent part of this project. Runner1928 (talk) 18:30, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania 2016

Only this week left for comments: Wikidata:Wikimania 2016 (Thank you for translating this message). --Tobias1984 (talk) 12:08, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

NCES property proposals

@ArthurPSmith: I have two proposals at Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#NCES_District_ID and Wikidata:Property_proposal/Authority_control#NCES_School_ID. Would you take a look? Runner1928 (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

What is happening right now?

Hi Runner1928, ArthurPSmith, I just joined this Wikiproject and I'm curious to know how things are going on here. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia Wikidata but I see an opportunity here to help out to improve the project whiles increasing my understanding of Wikidata as well. Thanks —M@sssly^✉ 11:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi —M@sssly - we've been working on adding some education-related external identifiers, but there's an awful lot of work to do in tidying up the wikidata entries for educational and research institutions. If you look through the project page list section for Institutions, the very first concern is the "instance of" property (instance of (P31)). I believe most higher education institutions around the world have wikidata entries via the various wikipedia pages that have been written about them, but a very large number are either missing the instance of (P31) property or it is not correctly assigned (for example a number I have run into have been designated as instances of geographical feature (Q618123) or building (Q41176)). And many are designated as a general category like university (Q3918) when something more specific would be better. One thing that would be a big help to me right now is to fix the "instance of" problems shown for example in the type constraint violations shown here for GRID ID (P2427). ArthurPSmith (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response ArthurPSmith. In relation to the constraint violations shown for the 762 listed institutions, some didn't have the GRID ID (P2427) property whiles others were not education institutions at all to begin with; such as Scottish unitary authority council (Q21451686). I'm not quite sure I understand what the problem is, or what is to be done. Another thing I want to find out is what to do with institutions such as University of Ghana (Q2303765) having "instance of" claim "university", and at the same time "public university". I suppose public university is a sub-category of university.—M@sssly^✉ 10:52, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

yes, not everything in that list is a university or college - I think there are a greater fraction of educational institutions further down the list, I saw a bunch of colleges spot-checking it yesterday that were not "instance of" anything yet. On your second question, if you look at public university (Q875538) you'll see it has subclass of (P279) university (Q3918) as a statement, so you are exactly right, there is no need for both, and we should keep the more specific designation and remove university (Q3918). ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:17, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

—M@sssly - rather than the constraints page (which I'm making good progress on cleaning up anyway) you might want to look at everything that's been categorized for example as "university" and see if some of them need to be fixed (for example to refine as public or private, or one of the other subcategories). You can get a list to work with via autolist2 - enter in the WDQ box CLAIM[31:3918] to see everything that's indicated as "instance of" "university" for example. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:29, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. Presently working on the first 6000 (50%) list here The rest are located at [1]—M@sssly^✉ 02:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Nice, thanks! ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Author properties

Thanks for starting this. There's some interesting overlap with the modeling of properties for authors of scholarly papers at Wikidata:WikiProject Source MetaData.--DarTar (talk) 04:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Educational institution modeling

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education I've been working on subclass of (P279) educational organization (Q5341295) a few levels deep. You can see my work at the graph builder. This is a complex, interrelated set of entities, and it will benefit from having as many eyes on it as possible. If you're interested, please take a look and help with the taxonomy. Thanks, Runner1928 (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

It's definitely messy but I'm not sure I see any particular areas where it's wrong right now. What are you working on exactly, any particular things you are focusing on? I ran into some issues last year with "Higher Education Institution" which people kept merging into "Hochschule" (which means almost the same thing in Germany, but seems to have different meanings in other countries, and there's a problem in that there is an enwiki page for Hochschule but not for "Higher Education Institution".) ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Teaching staff and other people working for an institution

Hello,

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Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits
ArthurPSmith
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Epìdosis
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Notified participants of WikiProject Universities

the French Wikipedia has started to work on a Infobox using wikidata for universities and other similar institutions. There is still on thing that still needs to be fixed. The number of teaching staff and other people working for an institution still has to be included, but it is not listed among the properties that can be used.

• employees (P1128) can used, and using teacher (Q37226) or employee (Q703534) (of other elements like administrative staff, technicians, service, and health workers (Q3151057) depending on the country). It seems like the right way to go, but we might want to ask for the creation of a new property, like students count (P2196), but only for teaching staff.

Thoughts ? --XIII (talk) 12:54, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't have strong feelings for either solutions (maybe a slight preference for using employees (P1128)), but thanks a lot for working on this, it's exciting! Keep us tuned. − Pintoch (talk) 16:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

If employees (P1128) can be used, perhaps with qualifiers for the type, that would be best in my view. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:17, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I've tried with employees (P1128) and qualifiers for the types on University of Rennes 2 – Upper Brittany (Q459026). If there is a consensus, it should be added on the list of propertied to be used for universities. XIII (talk) 21:57, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

actually using the types as units rather than qualifiers - I like that approach. ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:31, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Which property to use to connect school to school districts?

I was wondering which property I should use on schools belonging to a school district (Q398141). A quick query (ignoring the 5 P137 I already added) shows:

Property	Count
part of (P361)	51
operator (P137)	20
located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)	6
allegiance (P945)	3
location (P276)	1
owned by (P127)	1
maintained by (P126)	1

It's not really clear to me which one would be most appropriate to use. "part of" and "operator" both seem valid. Also, should the school district pages have the inverse property (like has part(s) (P527) and item operated (P121) or would that be too redundant? -Riley AJ (talk) 22:12, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

• "part of" or "operating area"?
  --- Jura 23:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
• part of (P361) or sub-properties of it like parent organization (P749) are most generally the right choice for organizational relationships like this, assuming that both the school and the school district can be considered organizations of roughly the same type. I would think operator (P137) is more appropriate where they are very different sorts of organizations - which may be true in this case - but for example a manufacturing facility for an international corporation. You could look at the language used in source materials to see what seems most appropriate (and add source references where possible!) ArthurPSmith (talk) 12:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education We now have school district (P5353) for this purpose. Runner1928 (talk) 15:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata about education versus education involving Wikidata

I just discovered this WikiProject last night when discussing how Wikidata might be used in educational contexts, and I am wondering how this is handled in the framework of this WikiProject, which seems so far to have a focus on Wikidata about education versus education involving Wikidata. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 19:21, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this project is especially for Wikidata about education: taxonomies for schools and courses of study and degree paths and the like. This is distinct from Wikipedia Education Program (Q13404722), Wikidata:Wikidata_curricula, and other places to educate people about Wikimedia projects. Runner1928 (talk) 13:35, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Student information systems

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education I have a conflict of interest editing items about specific student information system (Q1475637)s, so I'm unable to fill in gaps in Wikidata. I noticed that the largest student information systems for American K-12 education are missing, yet they're the systems of record for millions of schoolchildren and their schools. If you're looking for a place to contribute items about education / ed-tech, I'd appreciate the help. Runner1928 (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Do you have a source for these? I have heard of "Powerschool" for which we don't seem to have an item... ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:21, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@ArthurPSmith: There's a good writeup at https://medium.com/@BadHombre/journey-into-the-center-of-the-world-of-student-information-systems-cea16d464597 which talks about the industry from the perspective of a PowerSchool product manager. I also work in that industry and this author's comments are aligned with my own understanding, so it's a good place to start. Thanks for taking an interest! Runner1928 (talk) 19:35, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

@Runner1928: Ok, I think I added the main ones mentioned there - check for items which are "instance of" student information system (Q1475637). I'm sure it's fine if you add additional data on those, especially if you have better references. ArthurPSmith (talk) 13:51, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Country infobox at Commons

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education

The education categories for countries at countries now have an infobox with information from Wikidata: literacy rate, number of out-of-school children, compulsory education ages.

A list of these categories and current data is at Wikidata:WikiProject Education/education by country or region.

If there are more you want to add, I can try to help include it. --- Jura 08:07, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

Significant Events

I asked this on the Wikiproject University page, but it could be relevant here too... I'm looking utilize significant event (P793) to indicate a US university accepted non-white students for the first time in a given year. A few universities I've browsed through have a significant event listed for mixed-sex education (Q541394). I'm wondering if there's a similar entry for mixed-race education; maybe a new Q entity is needed? My searches have come up short. Thanks in advance for any help here. Archiverlandson (talk) 11:35, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

We need your help and expertise in the "Digitising Curricula" project

Dear Wikimedians,

My name is Sailesh Patnaik, I work with the Education team at Wikimedia Foundation. I am writing here to share a project that the team is currently working with a group of individuals from different fields of expertise. This project is "Digitising Curricula" project, that will test a proof of concept for structuring curricular data on Wikidata in order to make that information more widely accessible and to support the alignment of curriculums with the content on the Wiki projects. We are consulting Wikimedians with expertise in Wikidata, Curriculum experts, and members of other allied organizations for this project. And have recently finished the 2nd round of consultation. We will initiate the third and last round of consultation by the first week of February, it will mainly focus on " Identifying tools and gadgets for data structuring, potential applications around it, and initiating a proof of concept". If you are interested to take part in this round, please write to me spatnaikwikimedia.org.

You can also give your input on the project page for this consultation, by identifying potential applications or potential ways of making these data accessible and usable by different stakeholders, along with our teacher community.

Thanks --SPatnaik (WMF) (talk) 06:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi fellow Wikimedians,

From day one, we have identified you as a unique partner since we have an aligned mission especially on global educational accessibility using Open Educational Resources like Wikidata. We are happy with the progress made so far with the project; from consultation around curriculum digizition to data modeling to data uploading on Wikidata. However, our project is built on a model which was modelled from the broader consultations from our implementing partners including UNESCO, IBE, NaCCA and Ghana library Authourity. We have made some few property request to help us fully implement it. We implore everyone to look at our property request and if you have any comments or questions do not hesitate to leave them so that we can build a better product. Please find below some of our property request.

You can read more about the project here

Properties Under Request

• local education level
• hours per week
• education level
• time allocation
• grading system
• Educational year
• ISCED Attainment
• ISCED category orientation
• ISCED Narrow Field
• ISCED Detailed Field
• ISCED Broad Field
• competency
• sessions per week

Dnshitobu (talk) 22:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

P5353 and school district

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education.

What is the preferred way to indicate the school district (Q398141) that a primary or secondary school belongs to? We have school district (P5353), but it appears to be narrowly construed and confusingly constructed with poor usage instructions: the examples given are not educational institutions but human settlements or other administrative districts themselves. The Property proposal discussion seems highly country-specific and not well thought-out. There may be different formats for different countries, but in the United States for instance Balboa High School (Q4850206) is part of the San Francisco Unified School District (Q2215009). Neither Wikidata:WikiProject Education nor the quite redundant Wikidata:WikiProject Schools offer guidance, which is par for the course for Wikidata. -Animalparty (talk) 19:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe parent organization (P749) or part of (P361) would be the normal ways to describe this sort of relationship. ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Classification of AP Subjects

The items relating to Advanced Placement exams (Q4686251) could use some attention. The items for each AP subject, such as AP Chemistry (Q13412119), conflate (or potentially conflate) several different entities. Namely:

1. the subject exam as an entity that exists from year to year
2. the subject exam for a particular year
3. the AP subject curriculum as an entity that exists from year to year
4. the AP subject curriculum for a particular year
5. each AP course taught at individual high schools.

For Advanced Placement Calculus (Q13410440), the situation is even more messy because that item represents two distinct sets of courses and exams.

The most noteworthy of these entities are #1 and #3 and should have their own WikiData items for each AP subject. Numbers 2 and 4 might be noteworthy, but I have no interest in creating and organizing them. Number 5 is not noteworthy and should not have WikiData items

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Notified participants of WikiProject Education.) — The Erinaceous One 🦔 06:26, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

@The-erinaceous-one: You are correct about the complexity, but I do not think this is an issue right now as no one is adding this data to Wikidata. For the items you shared Advanced Placement exams (Q4686251) has 2 incoming links (including this page) and Advanced Placement exams (Q4686251) has 6. The most likely way that Wikidata would engage with this content is if paid staff from College Board (Q1109023) came here with free and open data. I do not see that happening.

If anyone did want to start mapping in this space, the Open Syllabus Project (Q23760279) might be a place to begin importing and data modeling.

I care about this but there is hardly anything here and it would take significant effort to get started. Finding a dataset and data modeling are likely places to begin. Getting actual staff or paid sponsorship could be another, because this is enough work to keep someone full time employed for at least 6 months.

If any volunteer feels like playing then if they share experiments, I would comment on anything.

The-erinaceous-one: what easy starting points do you see? Bluerasberry (talk) 15:47, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Postdoc

user:Epìdosis pointed here from Talk:Q116820811. While working on Property talk:P227/human/wanted/IRIS I didn't find a GND ID for Todd Martinez (Q7812520) but for another human, for which I created an item: Deniz Tuna (Q116820811). But how can that item be connected to Todd Martinez (Q7812520)? How to write down postdoc under supervision of Todd Martinez (Q7812520) ("Postdoc bei Prof. Dr. Todd J. Martínez") in WD items? Humanisator (talk) 22:45, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

You could use supervised by (P7604). — The Erinaceous One 🦔 04:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

Non-higher education and modeling of school district (Q398141)

I'm not sure how much thought has been given to modeling of non-higher education before college or university, i.e. for younger students. Would like to find the right properties to model the relationship of primary and secondary schools to their school district (Q398141), especially to help answer an open question for Wikidata:WikiProject New York City and its "over 1.1 million students taught in more than 1,800 separate schools" run by the New York City Public Schools (Q408230). Pharos (talk) 16:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

For Wikidata:WikiProject NYC Open Education Data, values that seemed to be too local in scope, such as school district, seemed to go against the grain of Wikidata's global community. Using properties that appeared globally, worked well with the available open data, and followed property constraints took precedent. There was much to learn from examples in higher education, and available secondary and elementary entities. Since the initial batch load, I swapped out some terminology that seemed better suited to higher ed. and substituting for those that fit a K-12 environment. One hope is to add and focus more on school identifiers (such as NCES school ID (P2484) and GreatSchools ID (P7948) rather than very specific district information. It may be interesting to look at how the NYC DOE New York City Public Schools (Q408230) itself is modeled as well. Kind data (talk) 17:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

To clarify for others, the specific question @Kind data: and myself and others have been trying to sort out for WikiProject New York City is which property to use to relate individual city-run K–12 (Q1151386) schools to the wider New York City Public Schools (Q408230). So far, our best ideas are either member of (P463) or operator (P137), but it's rather unclear what the standard is or should be for US and global schools.--Pharos (talk) 19:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I can also share that some higher ed models for departments, institutes, and enters, utilize part of (P361) a given university, parent department, etc. Slightly different but may be interesting to consider as well. (see Wikidata:WikiProject_IUPUI_University_Library#Core_Properties_for_Describing_Academic_Departments and Wikidata:WikiProject_Stanford_Libraries/Data_models#Academic_department Kind data (talk) 19:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Use of "part of" for affiliations

Presently part of (P361) is used in at least 10k items (https://w.wiki/95Fi) to connect humans to their affiliation. This is mostly due to imports made by a few American universities, mainly (at least 4.4k statements: https://w.wiki/95H8) an import made by Stanford University in 2021 (P361 was included in the standard data model for persons, until in 2022 it was "deprecated" in the table, but with no further effect]; @RJRohrbacher: who curated the Stanford import seems not much active in the last months); the next import by size seems by the University of Connecticut in 2022 (at least 2.5k statements: https://w.wiki/95HG), curated by @ReidtS:, not active since then (there too the data model Wikidata:WikiProject UConn/Data models#Faculty contains part of (P361), it was probably taken from Stanford import); other imports seem to regard only a few hundreds items. In my opinion part of (P361) is not fit for this use (which is not prescribed in the data model presented by Wikidata:WikiProject Education; I found no discussion about it in this talk page or in Property talk:P361). I think affiliation (P1416) would be the best replacement for these uses; if there is no objection, I'm going to apply the replacement on 12 February. --Epìdosis 12:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

 Support Yes, please do this thanks. ArthurPSmith (talk) 21:20, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Started first partial batches: https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/224288 adding P1416 and https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/224289 removing P361. --Epìdosis 17:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Next partial batch: https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/224290. --Epìdosis 17:55, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Next partial batches: https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/224309 adding P1416 and https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/224310 removing P361. --Epìdosis 20:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

The initial query https://w.wiki/95Fi is now empty! --Epìdosis 21:35, 12 February 2024 (UTC)