Wikidata talk:WikiProject Movies/Archive 1

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Let's launch this brand-new WikiProject with a brand-new logo! If you like it, we can make it 'official'. --Ricordisamoa 13:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

None opposes so I changed it. --ValterVB (talk) 09:37, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

http://www.allmovie.com

Hello, is there a property to specify the id of a movie on http://www.allmovie.com? For now, there are properties for allocine, imdb, filmaffinity, Rotten Tomatoes but not yet for allmovie. One example with Beverly Hills Chihuahua 2 (Q1026756) and [1]. Do you agree? Pamputt (talk) 08:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes is used a lot. Can you propose here? --ValterVB (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Done Pamputt (talk) 20:34, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Missing Items with Oscar nomination

Nice project so far, especially the tool "WEF: Movie"! On deWP we're working on creating items for all Oscar nominated films, see that list. In total there are currently 143 films missing, so you're invited to make it complete. Queryzo (talk) 10:42, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Still 140 missing ;) --Jobu0101 (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Launch of WikiProject Wikidata for research

Hi, this is to let you know that we've launched WikiProject Wikidata for research in order to stimulate a closer interaction between Wikidata and research, both on a technical and a community level. As a first activity, we are drafting a research proposal on the matter (cf. blog post). It would be great if you would see room for interaction! Thanks, --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 01:48, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Which 'combo' film genres should be allowed?

I've started this discussion in project chat about how to deal with combo genres like comedy horror (Q224700) as I've been doing some batch editing using English Wikipedia categories. What I'm wondering is whether it's worth checking the list current list of film genres here to make sure they are all notable enough to use? It's pretty obvious that romantic comedy (Q860626) deserves to be genre in it's own right, but there are lots of other examples I'm not so sure about - see the full list here. If anyone has any suggestions of genres on that list that we should avoid using, please let me know here or post a message on my talk page. Many thanks NavinoEvans (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Following the conversation in project chat, I've decided to use any combo genres that already exist in Wikidata. Where a combination genre is applicable , it will be used instead of having two individual genres, so if comedy horror (Q224700) is used, then horror film (Q200092) and comedy film (Q157443) should not also be included on the item. I will proceed with working through the English Wikipedia categories to add genres to films using the criteria outlined above, if anyone has any objections or suggestions just let me know. NavinoEvans (talk) 12:42, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
The discussion should be done on the talk page of genre (P136) and not here because genre (P136) is used by other kind of work and a common rule should be defined in order to avoid specific rules for the use of one property according to a special kind of class of work. Snipre (talk) 16:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Many thanks Snipre, good point. I'll start it going over there. NavinoEvans (talk) 21:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Qualifiers for film releases

I've been thinking about adding more specific release dates for films, and in cases where they were released during a specific film festival, to mention that somehow.

At the moment, this seems to be a mess. My thought was to do as in Child of God (Q14366059), add the property publication date (P577) together with the qualifier significant event (P793) for the festival. For subsequent releases in various countries, the qualifier place of publication (P291) seems appropriate. Others have gone down different routes. Stray Dogs (Q12144835), for example, has the qualifier place of publication (P291) for the film festival. The Zero Theorem (Q863811) has location (P276) for the film festival and applies to part (P518) for the country released in. Gabbe (talk) 17:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

For sure that is correct question and good idea to standardize. publication date (P577) with qualifier place of publication (P291) (and country) seems appropriate for releases in different countries, but not sure about festivals, if place of publication (P291) or significant event (P793) is better. place of publication (P291) (and festival or even year item festival) seems more logic to me. --Jklamo (talk) 00:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

List of wrong Rotten Tomaotes IDs

Hello, in deWP we got a list of ca. 400 items, where Rotten Tomatoes identifiers are presumably wrong in WD (HTTP-Error 302, means redirect). Would be great, if you could help: link Queryzo (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

I checked one, the difference was between a "_" at WD and a "-" at dewiki. --- Jura 14:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


Wikidata:WikiProject_Freebase/Mapping#F

Please see the above mapping. It's important for a possible import (or re-import?) of Freebase data to Wikimedia (Wikidata).

There may be some properties we still need to create.

If there are properties we got, but that there is no equivalent on the list, it may be worth checking their website for properties and add them to the list (I had to add "filming location"). --- Jura 14:50, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Technical properties for films

Where would I propose creating technical properties fields for films. Sadly those categories were deleted from Wikipedia, and the data now only resides as IMDB technical specifications. See technical specifications for the Third Man at IMDB vs what we current information we store for the same film here. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 22:42, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

We need

  • Negative Format
  • Film Color

We have


Top missing properties - new lists for films

There are now:

It attempts to list items for films that lack these properties by selected the ones with most sitelinks.

Some items get included as they incorrectly have instance of (P31) = film (Q11424). These just need a better value for P31.

The lists are still experimental, so their definition might change. --- Jura 06:36, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikimania 2016

Only this week left for comments: Wikidata:Wikimania 2016 (Thank you for translating this message). --Tobias1984 (talk) 11:44, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

New films and new items

As the project pages are mostly empty, I added two new tabs:

Criteria for both lists can be improved/fine tuned.

Listeria bot is a bit slow these times, so updating doesn't work that well, but it should eventually be possible to have them update daily or on demand. --- Jura 18:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

To close the gap, I added a tab for infoboxes. Mainly to list the ones that make use of Wikidata. I plan to do another one for statistics. --- Jura 15:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

List of films without article in Wikipedia of the same language

At fr:Projet:Wikidata/Listes/Films en français sans article, I started a database report with such films.

Some of the findings are:

--- Jura 15:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Awards

I'm still waiting for a response here because I want to start with the work (bringing the Oscars to Wikidata). Can you participate there to don't get stuck? --Jobu0101 (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Most popular films?

Here is a list: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/Most popular films by year.

It measures it based on the number of Wikipedia versions with an article about it. If there are two for a given year, that means the two films should have the same number of sitelinks. A few years are skipped, e.g. if all films released that year have less than 10 sitelinks. --- Jura 20:15, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


title

Strange: Special:Contributions/98.224.29.253. --- Jura 00:02, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Fixed but I have found another:Special:Contributions/Stoy1991. --ValterVB (talk) 08:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Fixed also the second batch --ValterVB (talk) 08:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Seems to be a frequent experiment for bots:
All checked. --ValterVB (talk) 13:44, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

and again

Going forward, this should be solved with a filter (Special:AbuseFilter/80, Topic:Sy3mgl8wdimyylpd).
--- Jura 09:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Include TV series ?

Should these be included? We currently include TV films. These can be part of series.

I suppose it currently depends on series, the contributor, and/or the length of an episode if a part of such a series have "film", "TV film" or "episode". --- Jura 07:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

You mean include in this project? --ValterVB (talk) 08:36, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Yes. --- Jura 08:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Can be a good idea, they have much in commons. --ValterVB (talk) 09:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Ok, so accepted values to add would be television series episode (Q21191270) (for episodes) and television series (Q5398426) for the series? For lists, we already have "Wikimedia lists". --- Jura 09:09, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
We have:
  1. television series (Q5398426) or animated series (Q581714)
    1. television series season (Q3464665)
      1. episode (Q1983062)

Normally to manage the series I use list of episodes (P1811) in main item of the series, for the season the minimum is like in Supernatural, season 2 (Q1223179), and for episode is like in Houses of the Holy (Q770138) --ValterVB (talk) 09:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks good. The use of part_of seems a bit peculiar, but I'm not sure what to suggest instead.
I'd tend to use a dedicated item for episodes (television series episode (Q21191270)). This way we wouldn't have to filter for radio broadcasts each item. --- Jura 09:59, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Except for the "episode" one, I added a series of properties and samples to Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties. --- Jura
Shall I go ahead and add television series episode (Q21191270). We would need to replace episode (Q1983062) where applicable. --- Jura 17:14, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
One thing about seasons: Supernatural, season 2 (Q1223179) includes sitelinks to pages named "Supernational season 2" and pages named "list of Supernational episodes (season 2)" (in the corresponding language). Those I checked all include a list of episodes of that season. For other series, we may have the same situation. To confuse things further, if the page is titled "list of < > episodes (Season \d+)", Wikidata English labels general skip the part between brackets. So we end up with dozens of pages with the same label. To simplify the structure, I would follow the Q1223179 sample (labels, statements) for all seasons of TV series/lists of episodes of TV series seasons.
--- Jura 14:41, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
+1 --ValterVB (talk) 14:47, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
If we go ahead with this, I added a series of queries that can be used for it at Tools#Television season cleanup. BTW, with labels for Q1223179, I meant the current English language one only. // That's it for this year.
--- Jura 17:56, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Some series give their seasons names (Q17512807, Q4921841). We could use "subtitle" as qualifier on "series" to hold that part. --- Jura 06:19, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
That seems to work. After some thought, I think sample label of Q1223179 needs a comma. I added that. 07:30, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
--- Jura

Old title property clean-up

Currently there is a derive to get rid of Property:P357 and replace it with title (P1476). I went through some of them and there are just a few left for films. A list can be done with this. Mostly cases where this no single "original language" defined. --- Jura 15:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

There is also Wikidata:Database reports/top missing properties by number of sitelinks/P1476. --- Jura 15:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Include film festival (Q220505)?

film festival (Q220505) seem like a natural fit for this project.

As there is no specific project for them yet, shall we include them here as well? --- Jura 15:38, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

To start: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/film festivals, normally items for specific years shouldn't be on that list. --- Jura 08:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
One of the open questions seemed to be: is a film festival a re-occurring event or not? Given that most Wikipedia seem to say that it is, I added the subclass to film festival (Q220505).
--- Jura 15:49, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Most active contemporary actresses?

According to Wikidata (as of today): list. --- Jura 20:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Similar to Property:P2021, but in a dynamic way, I tried to calculate a "Deneuve number" based on cast member (P161) and the distance to Catherine Deneuve (Q106418): everyone on the same cast as her would get 1 (sample: Isabelle Huppert (Q106365) through, e.g., Q274895#P161; everyone on the same films as Isabelle Huppert (Q106365) would get maximum 2; Rekha (Q465826) has 3.
It times out beyond 3 (covering 30,000 out of 90,000 actors). I need to find a better way of calculating it. --- Jura 08:38, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Some queries and a summary: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Deneuve number.
--- Jura 15:42, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

UNESCO UIS cinema data

Please see Wikidata:Project_chat#Importing_data_from_UNESCO_UIS_into_Wikidata coordinated by John Cummings.

Some articles at enwiki currently use data from there, see w:Template:Infobox cinema market. It could be interesting to add the corresponding data to Wikidata.
--- Jura 08:52, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Jura, if people would be willing to go through the data and say what would be suitable for inclusion and see if all the properties needed already exist that would be very helpful. Thanks again John Cummings (talk) 10:50, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

Q 22 000 000

New film item.
--- Jura 11:56, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

  • thumbs up* !!! Queryzo (talk) 16:59, 14 January 2016 (UTC)


Anthology film sample item: Q378838

We might want to remove P161 from the main item as the cast is present in the different parts.
--- Jura 07:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

@Symac:. What do you think?
--- Jura 07:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
@Jura1: I think that makes sense yes, especially with the MMSI (P587) that links to items that seem to have the cast member (P161). Symac (talk) 10:45, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Category:Lists of television series episodes (Q7149308) and is a list of (P360) episode (Q1983062)

Hi everyone,

there are a lot of items in the dewiki category Category:Lists of television series episodes (Q7149308). Should they use is a list of (P360) episode (Q1983062) with qualifier part of the series (P179) = <series> ? In general how should the episode list instance of (P31) Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) connected with the television series (Q5398426)? Regards, -- T.seppelt (talk) 09:20, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

In the section above (#Include TV series ?) one of the open question is if we should use "episode" or "television series episode (Q21191270)". In the later case, the value to use with P360 would be Q21191270.
--- Jura 09:45, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Okay, but apart from instance of (P31) and is a list of (P360), is part of the series (P179) the right property to connect an episode guide with the series? -- T.seppelt (talk) 13:48, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Country/genre-specific TV series classes

Thousands of television series are currently marked with these country/genre-specific classes:

  1. Japanese TV series (Q21191019): country-specific
  2. Philippine television series (Q21191068): country-specific
  3. American television sitcom (Q21188110): country and genre-specific

In my opinion, these classes are a bad idea. If we described those TV series as instance of television series (Q5398426), with the appropriate country of origin (P495) and genre (P136) properties, it would be a lot simpler and we would lose no information. If we allow those country/genre-specific classes, we will soon run into a few problems:

  1. We will have to create hundreds of new classes covering all combinations of countries and genres, such as "Spanish comedy TV series", "French drama TV series"...
  2. What about miniseries (Q1259759)? Even more classes: Spanish comedy miniseries, French drama miniseries...
  3. What about films, books, videogames, or any other works? Why not do the same to those?
  4. Is American television sitcom (Q21188110) a subclass of television series (Q5398426) or television genre (Q15961987)? How can it be a subclass of both?
  5. If we go down this road, someone might decide it is a good idea to create even more specific classes such as '1990s Spanish TV series', 'Comedy TV series aired on HBO', 'TV series featuring Grace Zabriskie', 'TV series with more than 100 episodes'. This will create lots of confusion and headaches for everybody.

I propose that we stop using country/genre-specific classes and mark all TV series as instance of television series (Q5398426). What do you think? Mushroom (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes I agree. --ValterVB (talk) 16:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
I also agree. --Jklamo (talk) 22:30, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
If it matches Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties, I'd leave it. If it doesn't, I'd change it accordingly. If Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Property needs updates, please tell us about it.
--- Jura 07:39, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

References for FSK film rating (P1981) statements

I am experimenting with a script which could import references for FSK film rating (P1981) statements. They are going to be links to pdf files like this http://www.fsk.de/asp/filestream.asp?dir=karte&file=1509\154408K.pdf. How should I format the references?

proposal:

This is going to affect about 3000 entries.

What do you think about it? -- T.seppelt (talk) 21:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. Since Oct. 2015 there are also URLs like [2], see de:Hail, Caesar!. Queryzo (talk) 12:16, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Constraint violation with P793

With significant event (P793) in publication date (P577) theres is a constraint violation in Crosscurrent (Q22295916), how is that done properly? Queryzo (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Have a look at P577 on Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#Core_properties. I'd rather use the item for the festival and not the edition.
--- Jura 12:23, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
So what is the right usage with f.e. the 2016 Berlin Film Festival? Can you give an example with the item above? Queryzo (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
I'd do it as on Q22000000#P577.
--- Jura 07:30, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
so is a filmfestival a (geographical) place of publication? this is confusing, but in a way its a convention. Queryzo (talk) 23:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

EPG

How can I get Wikidata about films or episodes displayed on my TV?
--- Jura 08:49, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Q 23 999 999 & Q 24 000 000

New items .. --- Jura 21:15, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

color (P462)

Non colored films should have color (P462) = black-and-white (Q838368) instead of black-and-white photographic film (Q2254548) appropriate to color (P462) = color (Q22006653). What do you think? Queryzo (talk) 08:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Anybody here? @Jura1:? Queryzo (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
OK for me, is more correct. --ValterVB (talk) 16:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Maybe a new item? It could more easily be linked to icons.
--- Jura 22:09, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
@Jura1: What do you mean with "could more easily be linked"? Queryzo (talk) 10:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
I changed it in the list of properties. Can somebody do the bot job? Queryzo (talk) 09:32, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

@Pasleim: Can you add color (P462) black-and-white (Q838368) for all de:Kategorie:Schwarzweißfilm? Queryzo (talk) 11:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Little confussion with edition / version of movies

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  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies Hi everybody! Firstly, sorry for my poor English.

In the last few weeks I've been adding some Spanish release dates (with publication date (P577)) for movies, tv series, tv seasons and tv episodes. Usually I also add original network (original broadcaster (P449), for TV-Movies) and title (title (P1476)). My method is simple: every fact comes with a qualifier place of publication (P291) => Spain (Q29). See some examples: The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 1 (Q4142083), Pushing Daisies (Q515621), Lost, season 5 (Q840781), Pilot (Q16165171).

I also had doubts about how to handle particular cases like:

  • American TV-Movies that premiered on theaters in Spain, and vice-versa.
  • The same for other distribution mediums, like VHS, DVD, Blu-Ray... all have different release dates, and maybe different titles.
  • Voice actors. Sometimes re-releases have new dubbing.
  • Different release dates for pay television (Q721830) vs. "wide/free" television. Usually TV series premiere in pay television (codified, only subscriptors) before than wide access television ("en abierto" in spanish).

And finally, today I've read a discussion that (maybe) could be the solution, and can prove that I've been wrong since the beginning: Property_talk:P1476#Original_title_.28originally_asked_in_Wikidata:Project_chat.29. All dates I've added are valid for spanish dubbed versions of the movies. So, should I create new items for dubbed movies? And also for TV series, TV seasons and TV episodes? Also new items for re-releases if there are changes in voice actors, titles... ?

Thanks for reading. I want to help improve Wikidata quality, Wikidata usefulness and Wikidata itself ;)

--Escudero (talk) 20:11, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree, a new item should be created for each dubbed version. This is similar to the policy followed by the Books Wikiproject, where the FRBR is adapted (see Wikidata:WikiProject Books#Bibliographic properties). I've seen your recent edits and agree with them: a new item is created for each dubbed version, marked as instance of (P31) of dubbing (Q187657), linked with the original film with edition or translation of (P629), and indicating the new language with language of work or name (P407), and mainly with voice actor (P725) to indicate the voice cast. A new section should be created in Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties for the policy to be followed for dubbed versions, and maybe specific items and properties too. I'll create a separate discussion for these two points. —surueña 06:43, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Disney features without a title

See the title column. --Jobu0101 (talk) 07:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Policy about subtitled movie

Hi, do we need to create an item for each subtitled version of a movie ? Snipre (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

Dubbings

Following the conventions started by Escudero, I propose to create a new policy in Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties for Dubbings. Specifically:

  1. Create new item for the dubbed version (of film or series episodes) of instance of (P31) of dubbing (Q187657)
  2. Linked with the original film with edition or translation of (P629)
  3. Indicating the new language with language of work or name (P407)
  4. translator (P655) to indicate the translator
  5. voice actor (P725) to indicate the voice cast
  6. director (P57) for the voice director
  7. title (P1476) for the translated title
  8. Other properties for external databases specialized in the dubbing, like Eldoblaje Movie ID (P2897)

Many other properties could be added, like the dubbing studio or in which formats were delivered (to theaters, in which DVD/Bluray editions for films dubbed multiple times). And is also important to indicate which properties must not be included, because are already indicated in the item for the original film.

Possible new properties:

Possible new items:

  • Create subitems of dubbing (Q187657) for the dubbing type, e.g. Neutral Spanish dubbing (for Pan-American language versions) vs. Castilian dubbing (for the voice version for Spain), instead of having to specify the language of work or name (P407) in each item for dubbed versions.

Opinions? —surueña 07:10, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

  • I think it depends on how much information one has on the dubbing. To add P725, this definitely the way to go. If you merely want to list available languages, P407 on the movie item should do. Once available, these could link to items for dubbings with qualifiers.
    --- Jura 09:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
  • I support the use of new items for dubbings. It has some advantages: querying opportunities, don't overstuff the "main" article... To complete the proposal, I have some thoughts:
  1. How to link original movie with dubbed movie? has edition or translation (P747) (like book <-> editions) may be an option, with qualifier language of work or name (P407).
  2. How to mark dubbed movies? instance of (P31) of dubbing (Q187657). I doubt if dubbing (Q187657) is about the technique and we should create a new item "dubbed film".
  3. How to link dub actor with original actor? I support add qualifier character role (P453) in the voice actor (P725) statement of the dubbing item, like cast members and voice actors in every movie (see El libro de la selva (Q24718501) for example). With a query is easy to pair original actor with dubbing actor.
  4. I support a new "medium of publication" property (or find a property that we could use). Sometimes a dubbed movie is released in a different medium that the original film. I know examples of American TV movies that debuted on cinemas in Spain; theatrical releases in USA that premiered on TV / DVD / Netflix on Spain... This property may be interesting even for the original movies. We could write more powerful queries. --Escudero (talk) 18:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
  • OK for creation of a new item "dubbed film" and to identify dubbed film with "instance of dubbed film",
OK for the creation of items for each dubbed film even for different versions in the same language in order to have the possibility to mention the difference between the different versions.
No link from original movie to dubbed movie: this is a headache to ensure that all reciprocal links are created and this just leads to heavier items which are very long and difficult to open. Snipre (talk) 14:27, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
@Suruena, Escudero: Can you go ahead with a policy for dubbed movies because we have plenty of discussions related to dubbed movies ? See for example Property_talk:P1476#Qualifier_place_of_publication_.28P291.29. Snipre (talk) 16:06, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
@Snipre: Done, added new policy at Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties#revoiced work following the reached consensus above, except that the instance of (P31) item must be newly revoiced work (Q26160672). Regards —surueña 07:30, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
@Máté: I'm don't know, I just created a new generic item revoiced work (Q26160672), in case dub localization (Q5310485) is not the same as dubbing (Q187657) but more similar to voice-over translation (Q7939457) instead, where "unlike in dubbing, actor voices are recorded over the original audio track which can be heard in the background". I'm not an expert, so maybe you're right and then revoiced work (Q26160672) should be merged with dub localization (Q5310485), and voice-over translation (Q7939457) and dubbing (Q187657) should be two subclasses of dub localization (Q5310485). Anybody can confirm on this? Thanks —surueña 07:39, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Note that dubbing (Q187657) is not exclusively used for localization. It's a common post-production process, used e.g. when the dialogue recorded on location needs to be altered or re-recorded for any other reason. – Máté (talk) 07:46, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Sure, I was not thinking in concrete items but just in the concepts (probably new items would need to be created in some cases): an abstract "localized work", with different subclasses "revoiced work" and "voice-over translation" (which are the ones actually used as instance of translated films). But I don't know whether this classification is accurate / complete reflecting the film industry, or adequate for wikidata usage. Opinions? —surueña 12:13, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
With respect whether the voice actors should map the cast members or the characters, in the databases I consulted (e.g [3]) usually map to the characters, as well as in the Wikipedia articles ([4]). I think is more general to map the characters: It has no sense to map to cast members in animated films, and this allows to better handle the case where the same character is voiced by different voice actors (is not uncommon having for the same character a voice actor for dialogues and another voice actor for songs), or when different characters in the original film are voiced by the same actor but voiced by different actors in a translation, or the reverse. —surueña 05:59, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't want to make the hierarchy of items very complex, but it's true that potentially the revoiced work (Q26160672) item can be used for any work, not just films but also series, videogames... Probably having a dubbing of film (Q26204053) as subclass of revoiced work (Q26160672) is the way to go, to have a basic identification that the item is a "film". But to avoid duplicating information, I think the more specific categories like animated film (Q202866) or genre (P136) should be just on the original film item (which could be retrieved thanks to the link to edition or translation of (P629)). So we need to add at least the following information to each revoiced item:
  1. Type of work: film, series, videogame...
  2. Type of localization: dubbing, voice-over, subtitles...
  3. Language: film dubbing to neutral-Spanish (latin-american countries), film dubbing for Spain (European Spanish), film dubbing to French...
Using different properties for each one (instance of (P31) and language of work or name (P407)) should be OK, but for typical markets probably it has sense to create a hierarchy of items, e.g.:
  • film dubbing to Polish: revoiced work, film, voice-over, Polish language
  • series dubbing to neutral-Spanish: revoiced work, TV series, dubbing, Mexican Spanish dialect
  • videogame dubbing for Spain: revoiced work, videogame, dubbing, European Spanish dialect
Please, if you think this is too complex please let me know! Maybe we can also discuss this at the Wikidata:Project chat, as this is not only useful for films. —surueña 06:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
To me Q24175397 looks fine. If there are points it doesn't capture, you may want to create sample items.
Mexican Spanish dialect would just be another value for P407. I think we may want to avoid overly complicated values for P31. I think this is generally a sign that more specific properties should be used. It may be tempting to include the Spanish version of Siri in our approach, but I'm not sure if this helps build a simple structure for films/tv series. Voice-over might fit fabrication method (P2079).
--- Jura 07:03, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Movie related proposals

Please see Wikidata:Property proposal/visual effects supervisor.
--- Jura 11:11, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

There is also:

Premiere date

I've been adding some premiere dates for films by significant event (P793) = première (Q204854), with qualifiers point in time (P585) and location (P276). Should I use instead date of first performance (P1191)? --Escudero (talk) 14:09, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Per Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Properties use publication date (P577) qualifier: place of publication (P291) (country, film festival, geographic region).--Jklamo (talk) 21:50, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
@Jklamo: Ok, but how can we differentiate every type? How can we stract première dates in a SPARQL query? --Escudero (talk) 06:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
date of first performance (P1191) with qualifier location (P276) is often used for premiere. In theory using a MIN function in SPARQL would do the trick of selecting the earliest date, however, that would mean the assumption that Wikidata's data are complete, which I'm afraid is never going to be the case. Also, oddly a premiere may occur after it is published (released) in a foreign market, and a premiere somewhere is not technically the publication (release) of the movie there. Therefore, I suggest using P1191 with P276. – Máté (talk) 07:48, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

P291 vs P3005

Now we're using place of publication (P291) as qualifier for a lot of properties to discriminate where the values are correct (publication date (P577), box office (P2142), start time (P580), end time (P582)...). However, a new property has been created, valid in place (P3005). It's that property better for a qualifier?

Also, what about broadcast by (P3301) vs original broadcaster (P449)? --Escudero (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

I'd continue use P291 over P3005.
--- Jura 09:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

"Cast" of animated films

Please see Wikidata:Bot_requests#Animated films: cast member (P161) to voice actor (P725). --- Jura 13:32, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

VIAF for films

Please see Property talk:P214#VIAF and films --- Jura 11:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Topaz (Q224004) (people part of included archive footage)

Hi. At Topaz (Q224004), Che Guevara (Q5809) and Fidel Castro (Q11256) have been considered as cast member (P161). They appeared in the movie in archive footage only (uncredited appearance (Q16582801)). Is this right or they are not considered as cast member (P161)? --FShbib (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Maybe with a qualifier "part of" and the value "archive footage". --- Jura 17:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
The annoying thing about these is that they throw off queries trying to determine which actors were in the same film together.
--- Jura 18:16, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Filmographies

At Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Filmography/Liam Neeson, I started a filmography.
--- Jura 09:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Possible additions/to do:
  • Fix mix-up of cast/voice actor properties
  • Find a way to mark protagonist, main cast
  • Find sources for actor's on-screen time in film?
  • Add subpages with more information on films?
  • Identify archive footage?
  • Ensure non-English versions work.

Another one at Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Filmography/Alfred Hitchcock.
--- Jura 07:17, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi, as to the marking of protagonists I'd propose using the property cast member (P161) or voice actor (P725) with the qualifier P794 (P794) and the object protagonist (Q215972) or leading actor (Q1765879) (this way you could also mark antagonistic roles (with antagonist (Q245204)), supporting roles (supporting character (Q4388180), minor roles (minor character (Q27623618)) and cameo appearance (cameo appearance (Q191796)). That's the way I marked character appearances in a certain work as protagonistic, antagonistic, minor or supporting (see f.e. Julien Sorel (Q3189665) or Snow White (Q2739228)). Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:34, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Also I've added qualifier part of (P361) : billing (Q4911899) when the actor appears in the billing block of the film poster (see Doctor Strange (Q18406872) for example). That criterion is used in the English Infobox, so maybe can be helpful in the near future to generate infoboxes automatically.--Escudero (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't it use a more explicit term? Q4911899 can be understood as an actor's performance not being uncredited.
I will give it a try for protagonists. Supposedly, they should also be marked on the character item. On film items, an alternative could be to make a character listing and add it as qualifier there.
--- Jura 08:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
I added some protagonists (see sample) and it occurred to be me that "uncredited" should probably use another qualifier (possibly the same as "billing") .
--- Jura 05:39, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
@Jura1: I think P794 (P794):uncredited appearance (Q16582801) it's OK. Other thing: Be part of the billing block (appears in the one sheet) it's different from be credited (appears in the end credtis of the film), and both concepts are interesting. Escudero (talk) 08:04, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I understand the difference, it's just that w:billing (filmmaking) linked from the item is about "be credited".
--- Jura 08:25, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
So, maybe a new item for "billing block"? --Escudero (talk) 16:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Speaking about actors and characters, I've seen that performer (P175) is used separately as another statement. Would be better use that property as qualifier of present in work (P1441)? We could differentiate who is the performer in every film (see Howard Stark (Q23900446) for a character with 3 different actors). With a query is easy get all performers. --Escudero (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Ok, part of it should be my fault (the german description of performer (P175) is apparently not in tune with the others; it's saying that it can also be applied to actors portraying a character). But if it should be possible to use performer (P175) as qualifier for present in work (P1441) (with an actor as object) I don't really see a reason why we shouldn't use it in a simple statement. Two thoughts:
1) As I understand (with reference to Help:Qualifiers) there are 4 reasons to use a property as a qualifier to a simple statment: to modify what an item means, to indicate how the value of a property was determined, to constrain the validity of the value and to offer further details that cannot otherwise be expressed using simple property-value pairs. The only relevant point in our case would be the last one (that it can't be expressed otherwise). But I think "character x is portrayed by actor y" is a meaningful statement. Of course it's better to use a qualifier to indicate the film (to constrain the validity of the value) - and in my eyes one could use of (P642) to do that.
2) Apart from that I would prefer the use of performer (P175) as a property in a simple statement to the use of performer (P175) as a qualifier for another reason: as I understand it's not possible to use qualifiers on qualifiers. But in some cases I'd like to constrain the statement "character x is portrayed by actor y" not just to a film, but also to a part of the performance (speaking/singing voice) or to a growth stage of the character (adult/child). There are cases where one character is potrayed by four actors in one film (see f.e. Simba (Q1649583)). By using performer (P175) in a simple statement I can add the appropriate qualifiers to the statement "character x is portrayed by actor y", saying that character x portrayed him as a child or as a singer. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
OK, I get your point. However, it's still redundant, because all information is already stored in the films items. Also, I think we can skip P2439 (P2439), because the language it's implied in the film pointed by of (P642). Every dubbed version will have it's own item (for example, Zootrópolis (Q24510191) is the spanish dubbed version of Zootopia (Q15270647), so they shouldn't mix up. Escudero (talk) 07:54, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • P175 can be used directly for statements on characters. If needed, queries can be used to determine which work they relate to. I haven't given the question much thought if it should be used for voice actors for animated films or even dubbing.
    --- Jura 08:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I added another point to the initial list above: "Identify archive footage". Maybe there should be a way to mark that.
    --- Jura 08:28, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
  • There are now test versions in Arabic (thanks to FShbib) and French (with titles for Quebec) of the the filmography. I added this as additional point above.
    --- Jura 06:01, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Same for Spanish, though I still have to add titles for Spain.
    --- Jura 17:46, 12 November 2016 (UTC)
Can't be foreign titles added by title (P1476) with qualifier valid in place (P3005)? And I've created billing block (Q27881877) as a subclass of subclass of (P279). --Escudero (talk) 15:58, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Q27881877 looks good. Not sure about the title thing. Generally, there should be just one P1476: the original title. Spanish is tricky as the labels/eswiki articles generally use the original title.
--- Jura 13:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Import original film title from Wikipedia

Please see Wikidata:Bot_requests#Import original film titles (P1476) from Wikipedia. --- Jura 15:26, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Italian films without itwiki articles

Similar to the list for frwiki, I added the above for itwiki. There is a short intro at it:Discussioni_progetto:Cinema#Film_in_lingua_italiana_senza_voce.
--- Jura 17:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you @Jura1:, that's a very helpful list. I tried to create a list of Arabic films in User:FShbib/Arabic films without arwiki articles but the "Manually update list" function doesn't work as usual. I'm new to Wikidata Queries, so could you please fix it? --FShbib (talk) 03:50, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, its seems that I must do it on Arabic Wikipedia to get it work. the bot doesn't work on Arabic Wikipedia and keep getting "Status: No template match" message :(. --FShbib (talk) 04:15, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Looks like you got it to work on Wikidata in the meantime. I asked Magnus to look into the arwiki one. It seems that Listeria hasn't worked on RTL wikis yet.
    --- Jura 09:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Great, Magnus starts the bot at arwiki. But the list doesn't work there :(. Jake Gyllenhaal list is working. --FShbib (talk) 00:47, 23 November 2016 (UTC)


Missing film directors from enwiki

It seems that enwiki infoboxes frequently include the director, but it's not included here because there is no article/Wikidata item here. For directors with a single film, it might be worth creating items with the label and "P106=film director".
--- Jura 06:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

Films with multiple-language versions.

In addition to:

there is now an Italian version at:

Both are based on films linking to other films with said to be the same as (P460) and qualifier criterion used (P1013) = multiple-language version film (Q2518205).

The sorting and structure of the list is also slightly improved. I added a few additional ones from the English language Wikipedia category.


These films:

  • have different original language of film or TV show (P364)
  • generally come in pairs, but there may be three different languages involved
  • can have different identifiers for each language version
  • can have the same cast for both films or a partially different one
  • generally have the same director
  • are generally released the same year
  • Most are from the 1930s, but there are also some more recent Indian ones.


There are different ways Wikipedias handle these films:

  1. Some films have 2 separate articles. Obviously, this makes easy for Wikidata and information can be added to the corresponding item. Sometimes identifiers are mixed up and/or cast of each version imported to the wrong WD item.
  2. Some films have an article about one film (e.g. in the language of the Wikipedia) that mentions the other, without much detail. This can make it difficult to find elements for the second item.
  3. Some films have an article about one film (e.g. in the language of the Wikipedia) that mentions the other, with some detail. The infobox might display information from one or both films. Sometimes sitelinks need to be moved to a new item as other Wikipedias describe another language version.
  4. Some films have an article that compares the two. Personally, I think this can be a good approach for Wikipedia, but can make it difficult for Wikidata.


Interesting field.
--- Jura 09:49, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Unique films per Wikipedia

There is a new list at: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/Numbers/unique films. It counts the number of film items linking only to a single Wikipedia. It's sorted by .. (I let you figure that out).

Columns show the % of films with year of publication, director, title.
--- Jura 06:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

itwiki now ranks #2 ..
--- Jura 15:06, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

A lot of film items to merge

At Wikidata:Forum is a list of ca. 180 french telefilm items to be merged. I will look up to give an english discription here. Queryzo (talk) 07:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

  • This list used to include quite a lot, including some created by myself through the creator links at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools#By_property. I think adding original titles or querying by year and director can find some too. It is something that is probably worth doing in a more systematic way.
    --- Jura 09:30, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

I parked them here. Queryzo (talk) 23:40, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

If you are confident about the list, you might want to try the merge-option of QuickStatements.
--- Jura 07:31, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

There are some with wrong IMDB IDs in the wikipedia articles, so I would prefer a manual matching. Queryzo (talk) 08:48, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Queryzo: BTW, would you park them elsewhere ? If we starting adding single items that need some sort of maintenance, all films might end up there.
--- Jura 11:48, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
I imported and deleted them from the page, see comment. Queryzo (talk) 13:50, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

List of scenes

Sometimes, after viewing a movie, I try to recall each of its scenes. Oddly, it's rather hard to find lists that could help with that. I wonder what could be done to improve this.
--- Jura 08:10, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

film festival edition (Q27787439)

A suggestion from the recent discussion about classes and instance of film festivals was to have different items for reoccurring event and the annual edition. As we already had film festival (Q220505), I made the above. The idea is to use it on items for specific years of festivals. I'd update that accordingly.
--- Jura 08:00, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

  Done: Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Properties#film_festival, Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/lists/film_festivals
  • I outlined a few steps at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools#Film_festivals. Most of these festivals (and some editions) seem have VIAF ids, even if VIAF doesn't import Wikidata items for them. It might be worth matching them up. --
    --- Jura 10:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

Películas en español sin artículo

Above a new list: films in Spanish without articles at eswiki (currently 2202).
--- Jura 23:50, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Property for trailer (Q622550) ?

Several times I thought about proposing one, but I'm not quite sure if it's worth doing it. We do have properties for "official site" and youtube which can lead to these, but depending on the use people make of Wikidata, they may prefer a direct url property.
--- Jura 18:16, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:   Support. Usually there are many trailers (teaser, full trailer, maybe dubbed...), so a specific property with optional qualifiers may be helpful. Also in Commons there are trailers for public domain films that can be linked by a qualifier.
Also, what about a property for official movie posters / one sheets? These are artworks (so can be stored in Commons, at least older ones) with specific properties (depicts (P180), designed by (P287), publication date (P577)...). See Metropolis film poster (Q21151973) for example. --Escudero (talk) 15:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  Support but the property should determine which trailer must be used and in this case, we should only use the Official Trailer (Example).
@Escudero: Some movies have their posters with image (P18) property, and we use it in Arabic Wikipedia to show posters (See Our Hospitality (Q1199039) on arwiki). The problem is that some movies use logos or any image related to it, and a property for "Theatrical release poster" (the most common) would be helpful. --FShbib (talk) 22:02, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that the nlwiki infobox has a link for the poster - on enwiki ;)
--- Jura 17:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
@Jura1: Maybe also teaser trailer (Q27981327)? So far I was adding has quality (P1552) => trailer (Q622550) with qualifiers (see Moana (Q18647981)), but I can change them. --Escudero (talk) 12:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the difference between the two. Shouldn't they all be? I recall my disappointment after having viewed four different trailers and then watching the film to discover that there wasn't much more to see.
For the property I had mostly in mind the URL to the actual trailer, but I'm not sure if we do want to collect them. For anything at Youtube, this can already made to work.
--- Jura 11:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Filmes em língua portuguesa sem artigo

Comparatively short (currently 172). Steps at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools#Q21686779 take less time.
--- Jura 02:59, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

I announced it at pt:Wikipédia_Discussão:Projetos/Cinema#Filmes em língua portuguesa sem artigo.
--- Jura 10:47, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
It's now at pt:Wikipédia:Esplanada/geral/Wikidata e filmes (31dez2016). Surprisingly, I'm reading myself writing in Portuguese ;)
--- Jura 12:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Crew of Animated Films

The crew of animated films somehow differs from the one of live-action movies, as there are jobs not being of that importance to the latter (the most prominent one probably being the animator). I started adding the credits using film crew member (P3092) P794 (P794) animator (Q266569), but now I wonder if this job doesn't deserve an own property. What do you think? Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:31, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Audio

How is Audio = Mono / Stereo to be set? Queryzo (talk) 13:16, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

@Jura1:? Queryzo (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Maybe "has quality".
--- Jura 12:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jura1: Hm, not quite convincing, has quality (P1552) = stereo (Q34678) / mono (Q1323979) seems to be too general, what about a new property like "Audio type"? PS: I want to import those information from itwiki, see f. e. it:Æon Flux - Il futuro ha inizio. Queryzo (talk) 18:02, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

You might need a value that is a bit more explicit than that.
--- Jura 06:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

two-part episodes

I think we need to talk about two-part episodes like Lost City (Q3207489) (contains of Lost City: Part 1 (Q5981342) + Lost City: Part 2 (Q5981340)). In my opinion they should have has part (P527) (mother item) and part of (P361) (child items). Ok, that was easy, but which of them gets part of (P361) = season 7? All three of them? That won't look very nice on Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/episodes of Stargate SG-1. So I think the child items should get it, the mother item not. Queryzo (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

And what about P31 = "double episode"? Queryzo (talk) 21:16, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

In my opinion the double episode should contain the part of (P361) season 7 statement (not the single ones it is made up of), and you refine the list to accommodate that. The double episode should have item two-part episode (Q21664088) for instance of (P31) instead of television series episode (Q21191270)}, that would make refining the list way easier. – Máté (talk) 21:46, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Okay, let’s try that. Where is series ordinal (P1545) then to be set? The most obvious way was as qualifier of part of (P361) = season 7, but the child items won’t have that. We could give it as qualifier of part of the series (P179) = Stargate SG-1 in general, as set in the episodes of Desperate Housewives and others. follows (P155) and followed by (P156) should be equal then. Queryzo (talk) 22:21, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Supposedly the two episodes are part of a long series of episodes. Personally, I'd add these 2 just as regular episodes and add interwikis to the first part.
    --- Jura 06:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
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