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TODO / points to addEdit

  • lost films: where to add   Done
  • section for filmography/list of films   Done
  • b/w films   Done
  • section for cinema of ..
  • section for film festivals
  • clarify P31 value for episode items
  • identify missing properties on infobox mapping

PropertiesEdit

  Done - Music byEdit

Refering to Q16997214.

How should Music by: John Dragonetti be added? (tJosve05a (c) 16:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

According to this property proposal we can use Property:P86 --ValterVB (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks ValterVB (talkcontribslogs). Can you please add this to the page? (tJosve05a (c) 21:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

  Done - CinematographyEdit

Refering to Q16997214.

How should Cinematography: Brian Knappenberger, Scott Sinkler, Lincoln Else be added? (tJosve05a (c) 16:50, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

According to en.wiki cinematographer and director of photography are synonyms, so we can use Property:P344 (but english isn't my first language so I may be wrong) --ValterVB (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks ValterVB (talkcontribslogs). This seems to be the same. Can you please add this to the page? (tJosve05a (c) 21:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

  Done - Edited byEdit

Refering to Q16997214.

How should Edited by: Jason Decker, Brian Knappenberger, Andy Robertson, Bryan Storkel, Michelle M. Witte be added? (tJosve05a (c) 16:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that the best choice is Property:P1040 --ValterVB (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks ValterVB (talkcontribslogs). Can you please add this to the page? (tJosve05a (c) 21:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

  On hold - Running timeEdit

Refering to Q16997214.

How should Running time: 120 minutes be added? (tJosve05a (c) 16:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I must do some experiment with Data/time property to check is is possible to use time value. --ValterVB (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
We must wait quantity with unit datatype. --ValterVB (talk) 21:58, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

  On hold - Original nameEdit

How should original names be added. Like if e.g. X would been produced in Sweden under the name Y, and in the US it is called only X, how should the original name be added? Only as an "Also known as", or is there a property for this/can one be created? (tJosve05a (c) 21:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Tuesday August 19th will be added the new datatype monolingual text, so we can create a new property for original name--ValterVB (talk) 22:03, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I think we can use Title (Property:P357) for original name - also see: Wikidata:List of properties/Works. --FRacco (talk) 15:08, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
So it is title (P1476) now. Infovarius (talk) 11:44, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

accreditedEdit

New property request: accredited --ValterVB (talk) 13:22, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

distributorEdit

What about Property:P750? Not widely used, but seems unproblematic to me. --Jklamo (talk) 20:34, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Art Direction byEdit

Refering to Q8024145.

How should Art Direction by: Q19816341 be added? (tJosve05a (c) 10:15, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Probably is necessary to create a new property. You can propose it here --ValterVB (talk) 11:11, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Technical specificationsEdit

Maybe can be useful to create a property for technical specifications? In this property we can add Color/Black white, Live action/Animation, Sound film/Silent film, Aspect ratio etc. Probably need some qualifiers. --ValterVB (talk) 11:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

  Support. Other properties do not fit for this classification. --Infovarius (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Are you proposing one "technical specifications" property for everything, which is then disambiguated with qualifiers? I'm having trouble parsing this. This seems like it should be a whole class of properties, each which would need to be able to use their own qualifiers. Aspect ratio alone would need to use a few qualifiers to distinguish capture format from output format (e.g. anamorphic processes). Dancter (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe several properties. But another alternative is to use instance of (P31) with different subclasses. What about that? --Infovarius (talk) 14:44, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I thinked a bit how to group this properties, but I haven't idea. instance of (P31) I don't like because we can't add specific constraints. I try to ping the Project chat. --ValterVB (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
@ValterVB: : instance of (P31) can, and it is an important use, of course be used to define specific constraints, often class definitions are of the from all instances of silent movies have a sonorisation property with the value no value Help, for example. TomT0m (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't know how color/B&W is modeled, but I was assuming that instance of (P31) was already established to indicate live action (Q517386)/animated film (Q202866) and sound film (Q848512)/silent film (Q226730). I definitely think there should be an aspect ratio property, though, as well as a resolution property. Are there ways to indicate the specific equipment and formats being used (capture/recording as well as distribution/presentation)? How are multiple cuts/editions being handled? Dancter (talk) 17:15, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
I think is too complicated to use because we must to create a lot of specific item, if there is an "animated short movie B/W and mute", I must to create an item for this, using multiple values is not convenient for problem with constraints --ValterVB (talk) 17:24, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
@ValterVB: Which problems with constraints ? Anyway there should not be that much item ... We we still have to create the items for the specific properties, and I don't think there will be a lot of significant classes, a lot of combination will not occur, like silent movie in 16/9 for example, or silent movie in 4k. On the other hand we can add constraints on instances of these classes. TomT0m (talk) 13:04, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
ValterVB there is no reason why this property cannot have multiple values so a movie can have technical specification 'animated' and 'black and white' and 'silent'. The constraints are 'Can have multiple values' and 'values should be 'instance of:technical specification'. 'Problems with constraints' is not a reason to reject a property; it is a reason to fix the problems with the constraints. Filceolaire (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
  Support I strongly support a separate property for "film aspect ratio", with the values discussed here as a minimum set. - PKM (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
  • "Aspect ratio" was created since (P2061). "Film format" was proposed, but didn't gain any support. --- Jura 14:16, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
  • For black and white films, we could use Property:P462 with a value "black and white". --- Jura 17:54, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
    •   Added to the list. --- Jura 17:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Original titleEdit

I want to make you aware of the discussion here. --Jobu0101 (talk) 18:50, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


Original language of film proposed for deletion/mergeEdit

The proposal at Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#language_of_work_.28or_name.29_.28P407.29 wants to merge:

  • "original language of work"
  • "language of work".

The main argument is that for books, items are made for a specific editions of works which only have one language. The problem for films is that there is generally just one item for a specific film. Given the disadvantage for films, I opposed the merger there. --- Jura 08:43, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

More property proposalsEdit

Currently there are:

--- Jura 14:15, 13 December 2015 (UTC)


ValterVB Josve05a LydiaPintscher Ermanon Cbrown1023 Discoveranjali Mushroom Queryzo Danrok Rogi Escudero Mbch331 Jura Jobu0101 Jklamo Jon Harald Søby putnik ohmyerica AmaryllisGardener FShbib Andreasmperu Li Song Tiot Udi Oron ~ אודי אורון CennoxX Harshrathod50 U+1F350 Bodhisattwa (talk) Shisma Wolverène Tris T7 TT meEsteban16 Antoine2711 Hrk6626 TheFireBender V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmurer…/

  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies

The production year proposal is worth looking into it. I'd be glad to have your comments. --- Jura 00:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Do you mean production date? --Jobu0101 (talk) 00:39, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
Didn't notice the duplication. Same thing. :) --- Jura 00:53, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
A film is a ship. Haven't heard that one before ;) --- Jura 14:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
Titanic (Q44578). --Jobu0101 (talk) 14:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


P31 value: long filmEdit

A few items had as a value for instance of (P31) = feature film (Q24869). As we only have "short film" or film (Q11424) as options, I replaced this with the later. --- Jura 11:53, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

We have also medium-length film (Q24865) but isn't used --ValterVB (talk) 11:57, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
Hopefully at some point we will be able to use running time for this. --- Jura 13:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Where to add lost film (Q1268687) ?Edit

Currently this is rarely used.

  • Should we add this to P31 as a possible secondary value?
  • An alternate solution could be "significant event" (P793). This could make it easier to add qualifiers and it wouldn't get mixed up with the primary values for P31.

--- Jura 13:30, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Given the lack of feedback, I will try to add it as P793. At list is at Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/lost films. --- Jura 09:11, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

drama film (Q130232) in P31Edit

Currently some items use this as value in P31. It's not in the list of values for P31 and I think it would better fit in part of (P361) where most items use it. --- Jura 07:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

But is a film genre, must to be use with genre (P136) --ValterVB (talk) 08:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Typo: I did indeed mean P136, not P361 ;) --- Jura 08:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Then I agree with you. :) --ValterVB (talk) 09:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Is it ok to use P136 values for tv series,as in Lie to Me (Q25182)-- Hakan·IST 19:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
If is a question, my answer is yes. --ValterVB (talk) 20:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
yes, but I find it confusing to use drama film (Q130232) as specifically television drama (Q1366112) and for other occassions generic Q11272426 exists Hakan·IST 21:10, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
I changed "drama film" from P31 => P136. Supposedly, the same should be done for ..nographic film. --- Jura 10:15, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Same problem with documentary film (Q93204)  . I added a check for it on Property talk:P577 (most frequent property on film items). --- Jura 14:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
+ task added at Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools#Correct_values_in_P31 --
--- Jura 09:04, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Following the suggestion at Wikidata:Project_chat#Types_of_film.3F, we should probably add "silent short film" and "silent film" to the list of accepted values as well. I hesitate about "animated film". Should this be there or in genre or at both?
--- Jura 08:44, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Infobox mappingEdit

For enwiki, I added a mapping to Wikidata:WikiProject_Movies/Tools#Wikipedia_infobox_mapping.

A few fields still need to be mapped and I'd be glad to have your feedback. --- Jura 13:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Some of the property that are missing:

  • costume designer
  • sound
  • dubbing: yes/no

The eswiki/cawiki infoboxes have a few more fields.

Writer/story fields need to be sorted out.
--- Jura 07:26, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

"budget" in infoboxes is currently mapped to the cost property, but maybe it's better to map it to a specific property: Wikidata:Property_proposal/Economics#Budget.
--- Jura 13:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)

LabelsEdit

I started a section on labels. Seems fairly straightforward. --- Jura 09:45, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


Title for QuebecEdit

Some films have a specific title for Quebec (Q22101947) which may be different from the French title used in France. The infobox at frwiki has a corresponding field. It can be linked to specific dubbing for Quebec or not. At Q385309#P1552, I added a sample for a possible way to include them. There is currently no WMF language code fr-ca or fr-qc. frWP has a list of some.
--- Jura 07:13, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

running timeEdit

What about duration (P2047)? --Jobu0101 (talk) 21:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

At some point it was called "running time" in some languages and "duration" in other languages, but almost only used for "running time".
After it was renamed, I suggested to create a separate property for "running time". Wikidata:Property_proposal/Creative_work#running_time
It's currently opposed by one person who thinks we should change P2047 back, some who oppose anything, some who don't use either, and others with good reasons, some .. etc.
Maybe we just need to wait till P2047 gets more of a mess.
--- Jura 22:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Publication platformEdit

I think platform (P400) should also be listed as valid qualifier for film publications. See for example Out of Inferno 3D (Q14946061). --Jobu0101 (talk) 07:31, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Better distribution format (P437). Queryzo (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Silent films can have a languageEdit

Unfortunately a large number of films have been given the claim original language of film or TV show (P364) = Q21686005.

Apart from the obvious error, silence isn't a language, many of these films do have a language which is seen in the intertitle (Q245069) cards.

We should be claiming the language as found in sources, e.g. The Birth of a Nation (Q220394) = English (Q1860) as claimed by the British Film Institute here. Perhaps we could also add a qualifier applies to part (P518) = intertitle (Q245069).

Of course there will be a few films which really don't contain language at all. In that case the language can just be set to <no value>. Danrok (talk) 01:36, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

I agree. The use of Q21686005 in that property is obviously wrong. --Escudero (talk) 17:12, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
  • It depends how you define original language of film or TV show (P364) for films. Is it the the part that can get dubbing? Is it the text that appears on signs during the film? Is it the language of subtitles? I don't think this property should be used as main value for the language of subtitles or intertitles. Users are obviously free to render "n/a" as <no value>.
    --- Jura 17:28, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

documentary filmEdit

Is genre (P136) the property used to mark a film as documentary film (Q93204)? --Jobu0101 (talk) 08:38, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Seems like a recurring theme over the years is that movies get marked with genres in their instance of (P31) property. Seems like someone should create a bot to clean some of these up. As of today, there are only 43 instances of documentary film (Q93204). --Quartz25 (talk) 05:08, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

Animated film?Edit

Is animated film (Q202866) the proper class for animated films? The properties page is a bit silent on the issue. --Quartz25 (talk) 05:10, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I'd say yes, why not? Infovarius (talk) 14:54, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

DurationEdit

Running time property proposal was refused longtime ago and at the moment duration (P2047) is used in more than 40k+ film items. I think it is a time to admit its use add it to (at least other) properties in the table.--Jklamo (talk) 15:06, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

QuestionEdit

Why do you use original language of work (P364) and not language of work or name (P407)? Freakymovie 14:05, 9 October 2017

Looking for right PropertiesEdit

ValterVB Josve05a LydiaPintscher Ermanon Cbrown1023 Discoveranjali Mushroom Queryzo Danrok Rogi Escudero Mbch331 Jura Jobu0101 Jklamo Jon Harald Søby putnik ohmyerica AmaryllisGardener FShbib Andreasmperu Li Song Tiot Udi Oron ~ אודי אורון CennoxX Harshrathod50 U+1F350 Bodhisattwa (talk) Shisma Wolverène Tris T7 TT meEsteban16 Antoine2711 Hrk6626 TheFireBender V!v£ l@ Rosière /Murmurer…/

  Notified participants of WikiProject Movies

I've been reviewing the list of properties and I have some doubts:

  1. publication date (P577) of different places. Which should be the correct qualifier, place of publication (P291) or valid in place (P3005)? I know that place of publication (P291) is the "official", but sounds a bit weird for me, specially in other properties like box office (P2142), attendance (P1110)...
  2. première (Q204854) of films. I've seen that sometimes it appears as another date in publication date (P577), but I don't know if it's an optimal solution. What about using significant event (P793), like: . Other propertis can be added, like point in time (P585) 10 October 2017.
  3. Roles of film crew member (Q17291399). I've seen P794 (P794), but I think that object has role (P3831) can be used instead, like this: .
  4. television film (Q506240). It's correct publication date (P577) or date of first performance (P1191)? We're storing when a television film (Q506240) was first broadcasted, like in a television series episode (Q21191270).
  5. film series (Q24856). follows (P155) and followed by (P156) are qualifiers of part of the series (P179) or standalone properties?
  6. original network (P449). It's only for the original country? If I want to add the original network (P449) in another country / language, I should use qualifiers (with valid in place (P3005)) or maybe broadcast by (P3301) (with qualifier point in time (P585))? I like the second option, because querying this value we can filter public/pay TV, online providers...
  7. References are credits: Usually full cast, crew, companies, music... of a film can be found in closing credits (Q1553078) of the film. How can I add opening credits (Q635115) and closing credits (Q1553078) as sources for movie properties? I don't think self-referencing the item of the movie is the best solution. Maybe stated in (P248) closing credits (Q1553078)?
  8. Reliable sources: It's IMDb considered a reliable source for a reference? Should be removed if there's another source in a specific property? This is the standard procediment with imported from Wikipedia sources.
  9. Other companies: I understand the use of production company (P272), but what about the companies of post production services (Q29415158), special effects (Q381243)...? Maybe something like this: ?
  10. How handle written by and story by? With screenwriter (P58) and qualifiers applies to part (P518) narrative (Q1318295) and applies to part (P518) script (Q3691017)?
  11. Instance of: I've seen animated feature film (Q29168811), film (Q11424), 3D film (Q229390), animated film (Q202866), feature film (Q24869)... which is the correct? Animated and 3D are genres?
  12. Trailers: It's correct something like with its proper reference?

Escudero (talk) 22:08, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

  • Lots of interesting questions!
    • (12.) Not a direct answer, but the other day I imported trailers from frwiki: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies/lists/trailers. The list gives links to the actual trailers through different properties (instead of just an indication of the date of publication). Maybe there is a better way of doing that.
    • (11.) I think we should stick to the list of values in the table. Maybe Q202866 is worth adding as some of the properties used on these items are considerably different.
    • (8.) I don't think we should remove sources or references from statements unless the statement is altered substantially.
    • (6.) broadcast by (P3301) seems to apply for anything beyond the original one.
    • (5.) For films, it would be good if it was used as a qualifier of the series. This does complicate imports though. Maybe some automated conversion is possible.
    • (4.) Good point. The other day I imported a couple of P577 when someone pointed out that we already had P1191 on some of these.
    • (3.) There is just the slight risk that this might end up confusing it with "character role".
    • (2.) ok for me. Don't hesitate to expand the table.
    • (1.) I'm not sure if these necessarily need to be using the same qualifier.
      --- Jura 06:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

@Jura1: Thanks,

  • (12) I think that would be interesting create a new property for trailers, like exists film poster (P3383). Qualifiers can be added for the new property: date of publication, YouTube ID...
  • (11) Why animated film (Q202866) is different? An animated film (Q202866) is a value of genre (P136) or instance of (P31)?
  • (8) My thoughts are that IMDb ID (P345) is not a reliable source, because is a database with user-generated content. I'm OK with the use of other reliable external databases.
  • (5) I've seen coexisting part of the series (P179) with qualifiers follows (P155)/followed by (P156) and also those two qualifiers as properties. I prefer use them as qualifiers because "film A" could have two differents follows (P155) movies according different film series. Why this is more complicate imports?
  • (3) I don't know if it is confusing, but P794 (P794) is being marked as deprecated. I understand its use and I've using that property, but I don't know if we should use a more concrete property.
  • (2) I've trying update the table, but I can't: Multiple translation unit markers for one translation unit. Translation unit text: Properties for Core properties This is a somewhat random first group made for statistical purposes.
  • (1) Yeah, it's right. Escudero (talk) 15:06, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Well,

  • (12) I'm not sure if we'd want to make an item for every trailer or experiment with Q23766486. The simplest solution could be an URL property.
  • (11) The current solution has the advantage that it's simple. Let's keep it then.
  • (8) I don't subscribe to the concept of universal reliability, so I can't help you on this. Have you ever come across incorrect cast listings at IMDb? Many other sites just mirror it.
  • (5) Mainly for people using HarvestTemplates. For sports seasons, a bot automatically converts them and the result is rather good.
  • (2) Maybe you need to edit the entire page (instead of sections). The translation extension is tricky.
    --- Jura 09:31, 15 October 2017 (UTC)


  • (12). My idea is not create a new item for trailer. The hypothetical new property would link to a Commons file, like film poster (P3383). Today there's more than 120 film trailers in Wikimedia Commons. If don't (yet) exists Commons file, can be marked as "unknown"/"none" and be liked by qualifers (streaming media URL (P963), YouTube video ID (P1651)...).
  • (8). I'm with you about incorrect cast listing in IMDb, only I've found few examples. However, I've found some sources in film items linking to Wikia (Q17459). I think sourcing is an interesting question/task to discuss by the community, at least in the scope of this Wikiproject. According with Help:Sources/Items_not_needing_sources, is not necessary add sources to external IDs and info from the film credits. I know that don't necessary doesn't mean that sources should be deleted, but what would be the standard procediment in those cases?
  • (2). I've added some premiere dates, and the tables are pretty (for example, Pixar films, Marvel Studios). I've just realised that exists property date of first performance (P1191). I should use that property intead? Escudero (talk) 09:45, 16 October 2017 (UTC)


  • (12) I'm a bit hesitant to follow that. Maybe we could have two: an commons link property and one for externally hosted ones.
  • (8) A bot added quite a lot of them sometimes in the past (together with links to other websites) and I found them fairly useful when sorting out contribs by another bot who had added the full cast as directors.
    --- Jura 07:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
  • (2) np for me, if you prefer. Personally, I'm mainly interested in the year of first publication.
  • (A) would you comment on Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#novalue, especially on the problem with sample I mentioned today?

Hope this helps.
--- Jura 07:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Section for movie theatersEdit

In the meantime, quite a lot of got items. It might be worth adding a section about these.
--- Jura 06:08, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

  • I added one together with the film archives I worked on some time ago.
    --- Jura 13:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

start time (P580) / end time (P582) for tv seriesEdit

Is television series season (Q3464665) a subclass of television series (Q5398426)?Edit

Help needed for adding Authority Control Properties for Israeli CinemaEdit

DatesEdit

Hey, MovieFex has reverted my attemps to update of the list based on the practice of how we indicate premieres and releases of movies (and also the inclusion of the fairly new presented in (P5072) which in part was explicitly created to be able to include festival appearances). This is despite the discussion above not to use publication date (P577) for premieres, and the descriptions of publication date (P577) and date of first performance (P1191). Could you please weigh in? – Máté (talk) 08:53, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

This is the 3rd place were this is discussed see Property talk:P291. -- MovieFex (talk) 09:29, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
  • YEAR(MIN(date of publication)) should given the date/year this was first published, including any festival. P5072 isn't meant to supplant this. From Wikidata:Property_proposal/presented_in, it doesn't even seem applicable to films. There was some debate about the use of P1191 on episode (on non-live broadcast). --- Jura 13:50, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
@Jura1: Now that's the thing. The premiere is often not when it's first published (i.e. a release proper) but only a festival apearance or a single red carpet event with a pre-publication date. That is why we widely use P1191 for that and do not include festival screenings at P577. Also, as you know Wikidata:Property proposal/screened at festival was closed with the recommendation to use P5072 on film items. – Máté (talk) 21:45, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
With "we" you mean you? I don't see any support for discontinuing the use of P577. Obviously, I don't want to discourage you to try to include hundreds of festival screenings in P5072. --- Jura 17:54, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
You specifically might not be included, but this practice is definitely not my idea. I copied the data structure that I had seen at countless other items.I just happen to think that it is logical. – Máté (talk) 17:57, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
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