Wikidata talk:WikiProject Taxonomy/Archive/2023/08

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Deleted GBIF taxon identifiers

Some Wikidata taxon items link to deleted GBIF identifiers. GBIF sometimes deletes taxon identifiers in its database, typically errors or duplicate entries, but leave the entries online as a record.

I have been updating some of them by adding the currently used GBIF identifiers, and marking the deleted values with deprecated rank. However one such edit was recently reverted. I posted on Succu's talk page to ask but on reflection, posting here would be more appropriate, to check in before making more edits that are potentially problematic.

If this issue has been discussed before, could someone please point me to it? A discussion from 2017 on this talk page seems relevant but I did not find a clear consensus there.

Thanks! Kbseah (talk) 08:03, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

orthographic variants of adjectives

I'm confused on how to treat variants of same taxon name (in same genus-species combination) when simply the formation has varied in the liturature.

E.g. on wikispecies, this moth https://species.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tanaorhinus_viridiluteata

Q7682303 Tanaorhinus viridiluteata Older file, essentially where i've just edited suffix of the adjective in english from "-us" back to "-a"

Q121462567 Tanaorhinus viridiluteatus - is a newly created instance by me for the orthographic variant, but was i wrong to create that?

If that's ok as 'two instances' (i.e. two Q files) how best to link them, such as redirect or annotation.

OR should it be like this created by another user for Q7682299 Tanaorhinus formosanus where english says "Also known as: Tanaorhinus formosana. Yet the main label is differently as "Tanaorhinus formosana" for most other languages!

I see other cases where differing combinations (genus placements) are built into different instances (=multiple Q files) then linked, but also when there's a historic misspelling or different original spelling is built into one instance (=one Q file) Sjl197 (talk) 12:22, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

I've encountered a similar situation with names with mismatched gramamtical gender were subsequently corrected in the literature to have the "correct" ending.

Adding an "original spelling" qualifier Property:P1353 to the taxon name seemed most appropriate to me, e.g. Q62003717.

Alternatively, perhaps adding a second taxon name statement with a nomenclatural status qualifier? I couldn't find an item for "nom. emend." though.

Putting the information in the alias or description would not be structured data, but may help when searching.

Curious to hear what others recommend, as I am also a relative newbie here. Kbseah (talk) 12:45, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

For "nom. emend." try emendation (Q1335348). To justify the gender of a genus (with a ref) we have gender of a scientific name of a genus (P2433). --Succu (talk) 21:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

nomina nuda

Hello, this edit removes the nomen nudum-related information on Remanella (Q25363938), so maybe I shouldn't do it that way. According to Cenozoic Mammals of Africa (Q122148492) p. 135 (and contra paleodb), Mixohyrax niloticus (Q122147950) Schlosser 1910:503 is a nomen nudum, while Schlosser 1911:116 is the valid description; how do we enter this nomen nudum-related information here. Thank you, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 13:08, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

Create a new item for Remanella Kahl, 1933. --Succu (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2023 (UTC)