Wikidata:Property proposal/sense associated with form
sense associated with form edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes
Not done
| Description | this sense is commonly associated with a certain form |
|---|---|
| Represents | lexeme |
| Data type | Form |
| Domain | sense |
| Example 1 | dud (L14777)#S1 (Clothes) → dud (L14777)#F2 (plural) |
| Example 2 | Klamotte (L33452)#S1 (Kleidung) → Klamotte (L33452)#F5 (plural) |
| Example 3 | MISSING |
Motivation edit
Senses are sometimes only common for a certain forms of a lexeme. See the German and English examples 🔝. -Loominade (talk)
Discussion edit
Oppose if a sense has different set of forms then it should be separate lexeme. KaMan (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- it has exactly the same forms and all forms are correct, but some forms are uncommon for certain senses. My example Klamotten at Duden (Sense 1b) also states meist im Plural (usually in plural form) --Loominade (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Loominade: but if it says "usually in plural" it means that in some cases it can have singular, so assigning it only to plural would be misleading. But I understand what you want to achive. I have such "usually in plural" cases in Polish too. I would rather create item for it named "sense usually in plural" and assign it to sense through instance of (P31) or has characteristic (P1552). KaMan (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- The only advantage of this unstructured approach could be that it matches print dictionaries. --- Jura 14:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- For languages with excessive number of forms in plural it is IMO better structured because expresses in one statement the same information as seven or more statements for plural forms. KaMan (talk) 16:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- Good point. Maybe for these another property is needed, e.g. "applies to forms with feature". --- Jura 04:58, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
- For languages with excessive number of forms in plural it is IMO better structured because expresses in one statement the same information as seven or more statements for plural forms. KaMan (talk) 16:03, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- The only advantage of this unstructured approach could be that it matches print dictionaries. --- Jura 14:57, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- @Loominade: but if it says "usually in plural" it means that in some cases it can have singular, so assigning it only to plural would be misleading. But I understand what you want to achive. I have such "usually in plural" cases in Polish too. I would rather create item for it named "sense usually in plural" and assign it to sense through instance of (P31) or has characteristic (P1552). KaMan (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
- it has exactly the same forms and all forms are correct, but some forms are uncommon for certain senses. My example Klamotten at Duden (Sense 1b) also states meist im Plural (usually in plural form) --Loominade (talk) 13:54, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment Makes sense, obviously the lexeme remains the same even if not all forms apply to every sense. If this doesn't apply to Polish, we could just exclude that from the property scope. BTW, maybe you could use one of the existing properties for this, e.g. Property:P6072? Too bad its creation was rushed. --- Jura 14:36, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Not done No support.--Micru (talk) 09:54, 22 December 2018 (UTC)