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Wikibase lexeme edit

Duden node ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionnumeric identifier of an entry in the Duden
Representslexeme (Q111352)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainlexeme
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]{2,}
Example 1zwischen (L302428) → 213628
Example 2Wikipedia (L221977) → 205799
Example 3Luftballon (L99) → 91371
Sourcehttps://www.duden.de/
Planned useadd to existing German lexemes (and perhaps replace P8376 on those lexemes?)
Number of IDs in sourcecurrent very loose upper-bound estimate: 399,000 (on seeing node '399770' for the word '2G-Regel' and on finding '569' to be the lowest node for '24-Sekunden-Regel')
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.duden.de/node/$1
See alsoDuden lexeme ID (P8376), Duden sense ID (P12641)

Motivation edit

This property is intended as a substitute for (not as something to coexist with) P8376, mainly to avoid needing to deal with multiple values being present on a lexeme due to URL changes. It would provide a unique and hopefully little more stable identifier for entries in the most trusted German dictionary.

The value for this property can be found both below the heading, when clicking "Als Quelle verwenden" (the quotation mark) and noting the value between 'node' and 'revision' within the URL, and in multiple parts within the <head> element as part of an image URL (presumably used in link previews): https://www.duden.de/og-image/569.png is the image for '24-Sekunden-Regel' and https://cdn.duden.de/lexem_images/399770.png that for '2G-Regel'.

(Regarding value stability: when looking at the earliest captures of the formatter URL's prefix, the values prior to April 2019 all had values greater than 1000000 (except for '10' and '1220') and all pointed to non-entries. Those captured after April 2019, which appear uniformly to be within the range of IDs given above, still resolve to the same entries five years later—Panamaer (L931866) from 1 May 2019, Remix (L761972) from 30 April 2019, and Neger (L804760) from 26 April 2019.)

(I have begun an index of these values and will slowly add them to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন) once this property is created. I would be open to performing the necessary substitutions of P8376 myself as well.) Mahir256 (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  •   Support Hmm, do we want to plan to replace the other ID with this one? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you want to add this in addition to the existing property, fine, but I would be opposed to replacing the existing property with this one:
It's not what people actually use for linking (global search for "duden.de/node/" finds just 122 results, versus more than the limit of 10,000 for "duden.de/rechtschreibung/"), so only having the node ID would make our data difficult to compare with what other places have.
The node IDs are not very easy to find or use. I had trouble finding it even when I knew it should be on the page somewhere, it can only be accessed by clicking certain things and following the link redirects to a page without the node ID in the URL, which makes it hard to tell whether a particular link is for a particular entry or not. Both of those points make it more likely that people will add the wrong values to the property.
A lexeme doesn't have a single current node ID: An entry typically has multiple pages (definition page, synonyms page, inflections page) and each page has its own node ID which has no obvious connection to the other pages for that entry, e.g. https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Hund is 68862, https://www.duden.de/deklination/substantive/Hund is 385837 and https://www.duden.de/synonyme/Hund is 251193.
The node IDs appear to be less stable than the normal URLs: In my experience, the normal URLs are pretty stable. The changes I've seen all seem to come from them recently simplifying the ones with multiple disambiguation parts (now they only include one), but the previous values redirect to the new values. (Much like how a merge on Wikidata results in the previous ID redirecting to the new ID). I looked at one page where the URL changed and immediately found that https://web.archive.org/web/20110627114010/http://www.duden.de:80/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/zitieren/10020253/1.5", https://web.archive.org/web/20151013073540/http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/node/651609/permalink?destination=node/651609" and https://web.archive.org/web/20220517054827/https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "https://www.duden.de/node/18218/revision/496432". Both the "zitieren" link and previous "node" link are 404s, while the original URL from 2011 still works now.
If you want a single value for the current property, you should be using best ranked statements. If a lexeme has multiple best ranked statements, then either one now redirects and the other hasn't been set to preferred rank, or someone has conflated two entries.
- Nikki (talk) 02:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahir256:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Nikki:. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 18:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oppose maybe instead, we should have a seperate Drupal node id property (analogous to MediaWiki page ID (P9675)). Duden has little incentive to keep node ids stable, they have on the other hand a strong incentive to keep the slug stable for SEO reasons. If it comes to a redesign, nobody is going to care about node ids. This happened before in the past: Archiv, das at some point had the node id 704401 which today is dead. the current node id for Archiv, das is 8452 –Shisma (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
also note: that all pages in this drupal have a node id, not just lexemes. For instance
  • 238998 → Terms and Conditions
  • 213867 → Orthographical rules concerning the apostrophe
that's not an argument agains having this property but it might throw off your estimation of Number of IDs in source – Shisma (talk) 11:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Palula dictionary ID edit

   Ready Create
Descriptionidentifier for an entry in Henrik Liljegren’s dictionary of Palula
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed valuesLX00[0-2][0-9]{3}
Example 1پھاگ (L1321906) LX001765
Example 2مُلئیۡ (L1321907) LX001518
Example 3باد (L1321908) LX000207
Formatter URLhttps://dictionaria.clld.org/units/palula-$1

Motivation edit

Palula dictionary (Q125729009) is a well referenced dictionary of the Palula language which is organized in a database that would be well suited for linking to Wikidata lexemes. The URL format is https://dictionaria.clld.org/units/palula-$1 and a regex to match the ID values is LX00[0-2][0-9]{3} --عُثمان (talk) 13:18, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Comprehensive Dictionary of the Contemporary Ukrainian Language ID edit

Descriptionidentifier for an entry in the slovopedia.org.ua online reproduction of Великий тлумачний словник (ВТС) сучасної української мови
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainUkrainian lexemes
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]{4}/[1-9][0-9]{5,6}
Example 1адсорбційний (L595546) → 53392/820763
Example 2абатський (L595174) → 53392/820783
Example 3абдомінальний (L595175) → 53392/820797
Sourcehttp://slovopedia.org.ua/
Planned useadd to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন)
Number of IDs in source202274
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttp://slovopedia.org.ua/93/$1.html
See alsoUshakov Dictionary ID (P11536), Little Academic Dictionary ID (P11319)
Applicable "stated in"-valueThe Comprehensive Dictionary of the Contemporary Ukrainian Language (Q12088362)

Motivation edit

This property will provide a source of authority control for Ukrainian lexemes. Mahir256 (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

‎Dictionary of Taiwan Hakka ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionentry in the online Hakka dictionary of the Ministry of Education (Taiwan)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1𠊎/ngài (L226037) 12754
Example 2赌博/賭博/duˋ bogˋ (L1325085) 18497
Example 3光/gongˊ (L1142704) 9030
Formatter URLhttps://hakkadict.moe.edu.tw/search_result/?id=$1
Applicable "stated in"-valueDictionary of Taiwan Hakka (Q125922550)

Motivation edit

This proposal for an identifier for Dictionary of Taiwan Hakka (Q125922550) would add links to an authoritative source for Hakka Chinese from which we currently link to Mandarin and Min-Nan lexemes. -عُثمان (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


Discussion edit

  Notified participants of WikiProject Taiwan Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 19:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Slovenski etymološki slovar ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionentry in the online third edition of Slovenski etymološki slovar
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1brada (L308432) 4285227
Example 2smuč (L750012) 4291964
Example 3skedenj (L641945) 4291811
Number of IDs in source29405
Formatter URLhttps://www.fran.si/193/marko-snoj-slovenski-etimoloski-slovar/$1/_
Applicable "stated in"-valueno label (Q125938282)

Motivation edit

This proposal would support Slovenian lexemes with links to a thorough and reputable lexicographic resource. -عُثمان (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

— Yerpo Eh? 17:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC) — Pinky sl (talk) 11:37, 25 September 2016 (UTC) — Sporti --Sporti (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2017 (UTC) — A09090091 --A09090091 (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC) — Miha Peče (talk) 5:38, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Notified participants of WikiProject Slovenia Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 19:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meurgorf identifier edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionidentifier for a Breton lexeme in the historical dictionary Meurgorf
RepresentsMeurgorf (Q110820044)
Data typeExternal identifier
DomainLexeme
Allowed values[1-9][0-9]{0,4}
Example 1ki (L69) → 18117
Example 2lagad (L114) → 19505
Example 3Breizh (L1756) → 5637
Example 4sarpant-nij (L1320551) → 24912
Number of IDs in source60470 (as of 2024/05/21)
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://niverel.brezhoneg.bzh/br/meurgorf/$1
Robot and gadget jobsfor Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন)

Motivation edit

Meurgorf (Meurgorf (Q110820044)) is one of the main historical dictionary for Breton (and middle/old Breton). It was created and is maintained by the Ofis Publik ar Brezhoneg (Q1401194). It would be very beneficial for the Lexemes in Breton.

Cheers/A galon, VIGNERON (talk) 09:32, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

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