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Best regards! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 08:25, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Dormition Cathedral in Tartu (Q4478066)

Hi! Please note that item for administrative entity is Tartu City (Q42307965), not Tartu (Q13972). Also denomination Eastern Orthodoxy (Q3333484) as religion value is kind of inaccurate since religion and denomination are different. Denominated for this church is also indicated by values of other statements (used by, diocese). I suggest importing this data from Wikipedia infobox only if relevant statements don't exist on Wikidata yet. 2001:7D0:81F7:B580:B5B6:E6D0:2960:A6FD 12:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Official name (P1448)

Hi! The description of the "official name" property (Property:P1448) clearly states: "official name of the subject in its official language(s)". In Finland, the official languages are Finnish and Swedish (and Sami languages in Northern Lapland). So, please stop adding other languages as contemporary values in Q47048. (It is perfectly OK to have the Russian name for 1809–1917.) In case this causes problems in some other Wikimedia projects, these problems should be fixed in those project instead of adding invalid data in Wikidata. Best regards, Apalsola ^{t • c} 14:15, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

And thank you for pointing out the problem in Q14657. Indeed the Finnish version is not official after 1944. Best regards, ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 14:19, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Hey! I have given you examples of Vyborg (Q14657), St. Petersburg (Q656). I can give examples with other cities. Stop disfiguring the project --Upp75 (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

I am not the one adding data conflicting the description of Property:P1448, so please do not blame me for disfiguring anything. If you disagree with the description of Property:P1448, please start a discussion in Property talk:P1448, and maybe the description and the scope of the property are eventually changed. Meanwhile, the fact that there are invalid data also in other items (such as Vyborg and St. Petersburg), does not justify adding some more invalid data. Best regards, Apalsola ^{t • c} 14:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Vyborg was part of Finland from 1917 to 1939 and from 1939 to 1944 and was called "Viipuri". How will you solve this problem? Will you give Russians the right to call the city only in Russian according to "official name"? --Upp75 (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Between 1917–1939 and 1941–1944 Vyborg was part of Finland and Finnish (in addition to Swedish) was the official language there, so for that time (using the "start time" and "end time" qualifiers) Viipuri should of course be mentioned as an official name, as it currently is. However, for post-1944 that depends, what is/are the post-1944 official language(s) of Vyborg. I do not know the Russian language legislation or policies. Similarly, I have no objections to include "Улеаборг" as the official names for 1809–1917 in Q47048 because Finland was part of the Russian Empire that time, and Russian probably was an official language also in Finland even though the Grand Duchy of Finland was autonomous. However, Russian ceased to be an official language in Finland in 1917, so no Russian name should be mentioned as official for post-1917.

Of course I am not trying to dictate which name Russians should use for Finnish cities or Finns for Russian ones; everyone may use the version of their own language. However, as I have stated before, the scope of Property:P1448 is limited of the "its [the subject's] official language(s)", and for Oulu they are Finnish and Swedish.

I do not know limiting the scope of Property:P1448 such way is good or bad. However, as long as it is limited, it is not your or my place to decide otherwise. If you want to widen the property scope to also include any official names in any non-officials languages of the subject, please start the discussion in Property talk:P1448. Best regards, Apalsola ^{t • c} 16:10, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

There is a discussion on the talk page and most users point out that it is impossible to follow a clear prescription. Don't add extra chaos. --Upp75 (talk) 16:50, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

It is indeed impossible to follow the clear description if the official language(s) is/are not officially defined. In Finland they are, in the Constitution of Finland. So, I am not the one adding extra chaos. ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 15:18, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

The Constitution of Finland (§17) also contains the Sami languages. If you delete information - you will be caught in chauvinism. Upp75 (talk) 20:31, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

The constitution defines: "Provisions on the right of the Sami to use the Sami language before the authoritiesare laid down by an Act." The Section 2 of the Sámi Language Act (1086/2003) states: "The following public authorities shall be subject to the provisions of this Act: (1) the municipal organs of Enontekiö, Inari, Sodankylä, and Utsjoki, as well as the joint municipal authorities where one or more of the said municipalities are members ––".[1] So, that does not include Oulu. ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 08:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

May chauvinism flourish in Oulu! Congratulations! Upp75 (talk) 13:11, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

It seems that you do not have any fact-based arguments left, so you choose using baseless accusations. Congratulations! ––Apalsola ^{t • c} 15:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

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Kholoudsaa (talk) 21:26, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

New family names and given names

Hi Upp75!

It's nice of you to create new names. Please be so kind and fill in at least these three properties, it will save the other Wikidata contributors a lot of work:

• For names in Latin script:

1. instance of (P31) (use "family name (Q101352)", "male given name (Q12308941)" or "female given name (Q11879590)")
2. writing system (P282) (use "Latin script (Q8229)")
3. native label (P1705) (use allways "mul" for the language specification; specific language specifications require a reference)

Tip: The easiest way would be to use the script from User:Bargioni, see: User:Bargioni/QuickNames

Note: Arabic, Chinese, Greek, Japanese, Korean, Russian names, etc. must be created in their original script. User:Bargioni's tool is not suitable for this.

• For persons of Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian origin etc., and other countries with Cyrillic writing system, create the name in Cyrillic script:

1. instance of (P31) (use "family name (Q101352)", "male given name (Q12308941)" or "female given name (Q11879590)")
2. writing system (P282) (use "Cyrillic script (Q8209)")
3. native label (P1705) (use allways "mul" for the language specification; specific language specifications require a reference)

Note: The transliteration from e.g. Russian (Q7737)/Ukrainian (Q8798)/Serbian (Q9299) etc. to English (Q1860), French (Q150), German (Q188) and various other languages is different.

For more information please see this page: Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties.

I wish you continued happy work on Wikidata. Best regards, HarryNº2 (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)