Property talk:P5607

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located in the ecclesiastical territorial entity
the item is located on the territory of the following ecclesiastical entity. Use P708 (diocese) for dioceses

Represents	religious administrative territorial entity (Q20926517)
Data type	Item
Domain	parish (Q102496), deanery (building) (Q46614560), deanery (Q385337) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	collegiate church of Saint Stephen (Q17625923) → Parish of Saint Stephen (Q55770893) Parish of Saint Stephen (Q55770893) → Pastoral Community of Blessed Virgin of the Rosary (Q55771202) Pastoral Community of Blessed Virgin of the Rosary (Q55771202) → Deanery of Vimercate (Q55770881) Deanery of Vimercate (Q55770881) → Vicariate of Monza (Q55770873)
Source	it:Parrocchie dell'arcidiocesi di Milano, it:Parrocchie della diocesi di Verona, it:Parrocchie della diocesi di Roma... (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property source website for the property (P1896))
Tracking: usage	no label (Q108853235)
See also	diocese (P708), parish church (P8289), located in statistical territorial entity (P8138), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), associated electoral district (P7938), located in the present-day administrative territorial entity (P3842)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Constraint violations/P5607 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 68,912 Main statement 68,799 99.8% of uses Qualifier 107 0.2% of uses Reference 6 <0.1% of uses
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Conflicts with “instance of (P31): archdiocese (Q2072238), diocese of the Catholic Church (Q3146899), Eastern Orthodox eparchy (Q60176300), archeparchy (Q2288631)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5607#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5607#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P5607#Scope, SPARQL

This property is being used by: fr:Modèle:Infobox Archidiocèse catholique/wd, fr:Modèle:Infobox Juridiction christianisme/wd sl:Predloga:Infopolje Cerkev Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Pseudo hierarchical dependencies

@Yiyi: Hi. If I understood correctly the discussion of the proposal for this property:

• its function is similar to located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) but for eclesiastic hierarchy, from down to top, until arrive to diocese (Q665487).
• all the items must have diocese (P708), too, in similar way to have country (P17).
• the diocese (Q665487) doesn't have P5607, as they depends directly from Vatican City (Q237)

However, there are some other intermediate entities (not formally hierarchical, but may be administrative, may be for coordination) between diocese (Q665487) and Vatican City (Q237), like ecclesiastical province (Q625160) or episcopal conference (Q637017). How do you think we must include this information ?. could they be as part of (P361) in the diocese (Q665487) item ?.

In the case of archdiocese (Q2072238) that is a diocese (Q665487) with a "special hierarchy" over others, must be included in the same solution?. Any other suggestion ?. Thanks a lot, Amadalvarez (talk) 07:29, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi Amadalvarez! Thanks for the question :-) Well, episcopal conference (Q637017) is not an administrative territorial entity: it's just a "group of bishops". About ecclesiastical province (Q625160), I'm not sure, because they are groupings of dioceses, but dioceses are directly subject to the Holy See. And there are also Roman Catholic ecclesiastical region (Q1506541). So, I think there aren't intermediate entities between a diocese and the Holy See (but I could be wrong).

An archdiocese (Q2072238) is like a diocese (Q665487): in most cases is the most important diocese of a ecclesiastical province (Q625160) (and the archbishop is head of the ecclesiastical province), so there are not territorial differences. But to be sure we have to ask Wikipedia:WikiProject Catholicism . --Yiyi .... (talk!) 20:28, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

@Yiyi: Yes, we agree in the definition, and they really are not a hierarchical level, therefore, it must no be included in this property. However, as the episcopal conference (Q637017) is a group of dioceses, we need to know for each diocese what episcopal conference (Q637017) it belongs to, or it meets with. That's why I propose use part of (P361). Same happens with archdiocese (Q2072238), as it is a diocese cannot be the P5607 of any other, but as it is "preeminent among others", is good to know for each diocese what is its referenced archdiocese (Q2072238). Again, P361 doesn't compromise any hierarchy, but a relationship. And same for ecclesiastical province (Q625160) and Roman Catholic ecclesiastical region (Q1506541), because we need to know the link between each situation that really exist (as these statement exist) without use P5607, because, as you say and I agree, diocese -at least theoretically- repports to the Holy See. I hope to have explained it better this time. Amadalvarez (talk) 21:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)