User talk:Martsniez/Archive 1

Anne Frank diary

I have reverted the public domain date of Anne Frank. see the source (in Dutch) with the court decision. Note that this is specific for this Dutch version of 1947, there are other versions (rewritten and translated) not in public domain yet in the Netherlands. --Hannolans (talk) 10:30, 24 April 2017 (UTC) If you are aware of the situation other jurisdictions, please add, I'm curious about that --Hannolans (talk) 10:31, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

• I disagree with the reading of that source. I believe it to be speculative. Especially that last sentence "Op ‘Het Achterhuis’, is het auteursrecht wel vervallen, tenzij we Otto Frank werkelijk als co-auteur aan zouden moeten merken.". I would consider this speculation, by a professional, but not a source. While Anne Frank is the author of her diary entries, it is controversial ([sourcehttps://www.trouw.nl/home/strijd-om-rechten-dagboek-anne-frank-gaat-door~a62ac11a/ source]) whether Otto Frank is a co-author. --Martsniez (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
• Also §4.4 of the reference court case admits that copyright continues after 2016: "De Stichting c.s. heeft erkend dat het auteursrecht op belangrijke delen van de werken van Anne Frank ook ná 1 januari 2016 voortduurt. [...]" --Martsniez (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
  • That are the texts that are published in 1986, they are not in public domain until 2036 (I created an item for this version: De dagboeken van Anne Frank (Q29562896)). The 1947 is public domain: "Een deel van de werken is opgenomen in “Het Achterhuis”, gepubliceerd in 1947. Voor dat deel gold een termijn van 50 jaar na de publicatie, zodat deze op 1 januari 1998 in het publieke domein zouden zijn gevallen, indien de wet in 1995 niet was gewijzigd. Ingevolge de wetswijziging geldt echter dat de termijn is verlengd tot 70 jaar na het overlijden van Anne Frank. Voor de delen die voor het eerst zijn openbaar gemaakt in de editie van 1986 gold op grond van de regeling van voor 1995 dat die delen eerst in het publieke domein vallen 50 jaren na 1 januari 1987. Deze beschermingstermijn is op grond van artikel 51 Aw door de wetswijziging in 1995 niet verkort." If you make Otto Frank c-author, that is wild speculation and until now all reliable sources has Anne Frank as author of the Achterhuis. --Hannolans (talk) 11:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
    • There are three versions of the diary of Anne Frank (A, B, C). A is the original version that was written and first completely published in the '80s. B is the rewritten version after Anne Frank heard a call on the radio for people to publish diaries after the war. Version C is the 'the Achterhuis' as we know it. It is a compilation and edited version of A+B. C was published in 1947. I agree that there is a dispute whether Otto Frank is the co-author. However that is not what that court case is about, and the Anne Frank stichting accepted as much see §4.4 of that verdict. You don't see any complete publication of Anne Frank's diary (version C published online in the Netherlands) as it is generally accepted that Otto Frank might be the co-author. and doing so would lead to a court case with the Anne Frank Foundation in Switzerland.