User talk:Multichill/Archives/2018/August

Latest comment: 5 years ago by Marsupium in topic Bot creates artist duplicates

Bot creates artist duplicates

"Creating artist based on RKD: Painter with works in RKDimages and date and place of birth known"-style item creations produce duplicates: Julius Friedlænder (Q55792459). I'd like to ask you not to perform them. If we want to have any automatic artist/person item creations we need consensus before, at least a WD:RFP/BOT. I'd be happy to have that, but in a very careful implementation that reduces dupe creation to the absolute minimum that can be achieved. Unfortunately, manual checking identity of two items consumes a lot of time and we already have a huge backlog of pairs to be checked and probably many dupes more that aren't even detected by current methods.
That said, I'd be glad to help in fine-tuning mechanisms for an artist item creation bot that uses all means possible to create items for artists actually not yet existing! Thank you, --Marsupium (talk) 13:10, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

RKDartists ID (P650) is used extensively (71.000 links at the moment according to the talk page). Every once in a while I create some of the missing painters that have passed the notability criteria (in the edit summary). I've been running it for several years and usually the number of duplicates are low and easy to find because they pop up in reports like Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Creators same name. In this case I ran it because I kept running into missing painters at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/Missing creator with RKDimages link. I haven't changed the notability criteria for a while so only new or updated entries in RKDartists might get imported. To get an idea of what is coming in new, have a look at Wikidata:WikiProject sum of all paintings/RKD to match/Recent additions. More matches in mix'n'match would prevent some of the duplicates, but the number of suggestions might be high, the number of good matches are quite low. Tons of records in RKDartists are quite empty, so you don't know for sure if it's the same person. These records to make mix'n'match big, but wouldn't be created by my robot (not enough metadata available). I wouldn't worry about it too much about this. Multichill (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your long reply and sorry for responding only know properly! It is good to know that it is code used before and with the same criteria! Then I'm ok with it. :-) I saw a bunch of dupes bouncing after the creations. You know how many items you created in that batch all together? I'm not sure if we find all duplicates with current methods, but also those we find are a problem because in masses the identifying and merging is a lot of work. Perhaps the script could check for identical labels or aliases and if one is found it rather logs it so that it can be put somewhere here and checked before creation? Also if not, we can perhaps live with the current system. I hope we will get some automatic person creating system in the future that does all checks that are possible, but it has time. Best, --Marsupium (talk) 12:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

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