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Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Orf3us/Archive 1 on 2016-03-27.

Mycomp (talkcontribs)

Hi, I see that you have reverted my edit at Shirakaba Gakuen High School. May I ask why? 高等学校 means "senior high school" in English. Vi kunne godt tatt dette på norsk, men det er kanskje noen som ikke kan norsk som vil lese dette. Mvh., Mycomp  

Orf3us (talkcontribs)

Hi! At the footer of the school's homepage http://www.shirakaba.ac.jp it says "Shirakabagakuen High School". There is a discussion of names in infoboxes from wikidata on the Norwegian Wikipedia where the word "senior" was discussed, which is why I tried to omit it. I have no strong feelings about this, but please accept my apology for the change.

Mycomp (talkcontribs)

No need to apologize :) In in the UK and Australia, sometimes "high school" is used in the names of schools for children aged from eleven to 18, so to avoid any misunderstanding it is best to have "senior", I think. And 高等学校 is a school for grades 10-12 only. Many Japanese are not aware of this, and use the American English "high school" instead of "senior high school". Ha en fin helg! Mycomp

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Sjoerddebruin (talkcontribs)
Orf3us (talkcontribs)

Thank you for telling me, I have changed my last edits, and I hope I did it right.

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Jklamo (talkcontribs)
Orf3us (talkcontribs)

Hi Jklamo, that is perfectly correct. Now the items that you have reversed are being used in a Norwegian infobox and since there is no other proper picture of these persons I have chosen to use their coat of arms. One day someone hopefully will upload a proper picture of these persons and the coat of arms can be exchanged. I see that you have now removed and changed the picture to "no value" which has resulted in an error-message in the Norwegian infoboxes on the Norwegian wikipedia saying: "[[Fil:Lua-feil i Modul:WikidataBilde, linje 62: attempt to index field 'datavalue' (a nil value).||frameless]]". If you really find this neccessary, I will remove the infoboxes from these articles so that they we will not have to look at error-messages in the infoboxes. That is of course a shame, since wikidata is a really helpful tool. Regards,

Jklamo (talkcontribs)

Hi, I understand, but currently there is no consensus to add these pictures as P18, mainly users from dewiki are very sensitive about this issue and removing all pictures like that (coat of arms, graves without portrait, etc.). P18 is very popular property and it is not easy to satisfy users from multiple wikis. As result for some items there are multiple adds and removes conducted by distinctive users, novalue is a bit dirty way to prevent these behaviour.

Instead of removing infoboxes I recommend to modify infobox code in your wiki to be able to handle novalue and even show P94 or P1442 in case, where there is not P18 (or there is novalue) in the items. That is the far more cleanest way to deal with this. You can remove novalue as well (I will not revert that change), but if you replace it with coa picture be prepared that someone other may remove it in future.

Orf3us (talkcontribs)

Thank you for your answer. I have seen on your discussion page that someone is concerned about this issue, and you are now continuing that procedure. Alternatively I can just add the coat of arms picture in the local infobox, but if someone then uploads a proper picture in the future unfortunately it will not be changed. The "no value" gives an error-message in the infoboxes on NO.wikipedia, so that will have to be fixed. Is there consensus on adding "no value" to P18? Regards

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