RV1971

English counties

Regarding some of your recent edits to items for English counties:

• Please do not add e.g. Cumbria (Q23066)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)England (Q21) when we already have Cumbria (Q23066)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)North West England (Q47967) and North West England (Q47967)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)England (Q21) -- located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) should only be used to give the next entity upwards in the hierarchy. Jheald (talk) 22:55, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
  • @Jheald: I was wondering whether values like North West England (Q47967) are correct for located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). North West England (Q47967) is certainly a territorial entity, but is it an administrative one? If so, according to ISO 3166, they would be in the middle between the first-level and the second-level administrative subdivision. Which is certainly possible, I guess you have knowledge about that.--RV1971 (talk) 22:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
    • It's the structure we've adopted for P131 for the UK. Don't necessarily get too hung up on the word "administrative" in the property label. The point is that the regions slot in as a natural level in the hierarchical structure, (as do the ceremonial counties), so it's useful to include them in the tree, facilitating all sorts of queries that people may want to do. Jheald (talk) 23:01, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Indonesian administrative unit

Please revert your mass editing in changing for example Jakarta (Q3630)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)Indonesia (Q252) to Jakarta (Q3630)located in the administrative territorial entity (P131)Java (Q3757). Java (Q3757) is an island, not and administrative unit; it should not be used with located in the administrative territorial entity (P131). Hddty (talk) 12:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:code:3166:ID states that Jawa is a first-level subdivision. In particular, it states that the capital district Jakarta Raya has the parent subdivision Jawa. I assume that each ISO 3166 subdivision of a country is an administrative unit. Is that wrong?--RV1971 (talk) 14:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Wrong. I think the website should be used only for looking the code and not for looking about subdivision definition. Jakarta listed there as "capital district", its actually also a province. Please see en:Subdivisions of Indonesia. --Hddty (talk) 07:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

The fact that ISO 3166-2 code (P300) is an instance of Wikidata property for authority control for administrative subdivisions (Q55977691) would suggest that entities having the property P300 are administrative subdivisions. I'm wondering whether the notion of administrative subdivision is sufficiently clearly defined in wikidata, so a more basic discussion might be necessary. In the meantime, feel free to adjust wikidata about Indonesia according to your knowledge.--RV1971 (talk) 21:14, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Please don't only use ISO website as sole source, look at other source. I'm Indonesian and it's definitely wrong for ISO website for putting province as an island subdivision. Currently administrative subdivision in Indonesia are defined by administrative code of Indonesia (P2588) (for other country see Template:Settlement properties). You can see here that Jawa doesn't have the code. --Hddty (talk) 11:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC)