Wikidata:Property proposal/Dastgah

dastgah

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Not done

Description	Name of the musical Dastgah in which a piece of Iranian music is.
Data type	Item
Example 1	Q10289787 -> Q5226909
Example 2	Q911956 -> Q5935852
Example 3	Q28859544 -> Q6555261

Motivation

To enable classifying pieces of Iranian music based on their musical characteristic of Dastgah.

For those unfamiliar with Iranian music, please note that Dastgah is not the same as genre, nor is it the same as musical scale or mode. It is a distinct concept that overlaps with the aforementioned, but is more expansive. Huji (talk) 03:25, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

I don't think creating an exclusive property for Dastgah is a good idea. Other cultures have identical counterparts, like ragas, maqam, etc. Probably most of them are listed here: en:Melody type#Melodic formulae and melody types in monodic traditions around the world or here en:Mode (music)#Analogues in different musical traditions. This source compares Arabic maqams with Iranian dastgahs, saying some of them are identical and also saying that one of them is very close to Western classical "major" scale. The examples from en:Dastgah#The Seven Dastgahs and en:Mode (music) are also quite similar. However, I think 'mode' is more of a term associated with Western classical music only? (and we don't have "musical mode" property yet). While I guess dastgah is rather a system based on tonality, mode and melody at the same time?

So if we are going to create something like this, we probably need to extend it to a universal use for all these types (possibly including Western modes), but I'm not sure what name it should have. "modal system" would means the whole system, while there are a bunch of types within such systems, so maybe "modal form" or something else? Solidest (talk) 17:47, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done This proposal has not received any support. From the comments, it sounds like you need to discuss how we should model this with other editors first, perhaps somewhere like Wikidata:WikiProject Music. - Nikki (talk) 03:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]