Wikidata:Requests for comment/Non-WMF wikis

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There has been no activity with this RfC over the past month. Since this matter is really out of the community at the moment - Please refer all queries/suggestion to the development team in regards to implementation of Non-WMF wikis as this is really a question over the implementation of the matter not community implementation. John F. Lewis (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Should Wikidata allow sitelinks and/or real-time data access using wikibaseClient (Phase 2) from other wikis than our sister projects hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation? This refers especially to 'reliable' online encyclopedias like Citizendium (Q187801) and to wiki farms such as Fandom (Q17459).

Of course, the more technical aspects need to be worked on by the development team, but I am starting this RFC now to give the community some time to decide. Moreover, if and when there will be a system to integrate WikibaseClient into non-wiki sites, they will be involved too.

Please note: everyone can access our data freely via Lua and other toolkits to be developed, but this RFC is about enabling the true Phase 1 and 2 on external projects using Mediawiki software, as on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage.

Guidelines edit

In a nutshell/tldr: We shouldn't enable Phase 1 and 2 as on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage. A new method should be developed.

I think we shouldn't add links to non-WMF wikis in Wikidata. Instead, it's better to create a MediaWiki extension for creating a mapping which is stored in external wiki itself between items and external wiki pages (like the mapping in Freebase Data Dumps (Q15241312)), or if it's notable, create a property in Wikidata. Also, Wikibase Client isn't designed to access Wikidata data for non-WMF wikis. We should create a MediaWiki extension to access data in Wikidata like what InstantCommons did instead; Wikibase Client should only be used to access data of databases in the same server which's installed Wikibase.--GZWDer (talk) 15:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Allow integration with Free wikis only edit

'Free' means 'available under any CC-BY-SA-compatible license': to preserve our freedom.

Reluctant support, because it would exclude many useful resources. --Ricordi samoa 13:21, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Data should be accessible by any websites; but if community approve linking to Non-WMF wikis, I think we should only link to wikis whose license meet Commons:Commons:Licensing. Other wikis should create a local page-item mapping table like Freebase Data Dumps (Q15241312). Note that CC-BY must be allowed because Wikinews is CC-BY.--GZWDer (talk) 15:07, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, Wikidata license is CC-0. Second, any type of limitation need technical and bureaucracy support, i.e. time investment. As long as we considering external links -- we can create any "rules", and it's okay to support "free" projects in first place. But when we are talking about giving away wikidata data, it should be done without any restrictions. -- Vlsergey (talk) 22:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Create a general guideline for all external wikis edit

This would include common requirements for external wikis to be linked from Wikidata.

Support if sitelinks are allowed, of course. --Ricordi samoa 13:38, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support for m:User-Agent_policy and restrict access from m:Live mirrors; other should be discussed, and probably analyzed on a case-by-case basis.--GZWDer (talk) 14:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Each allowed wiki should have a specific guideline edit

Support (maybe listed on a single page). --Ricordi samoa 15:58, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'd prefer this one. Different wikis are, well, different. Ajraddatz (Talk) 18:34, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Each allowed wiki must have a specific guideline edit

Doing this is a significant endorsement. We should only do it for Sister projects. My list would include:
- Open Street Maps
- Omegawiki
- Scholarpedia

We could also probably do with a links to a genealogy site, a company data site, maybe a music/dvd/book metadata site if these are freely licensed i.e. sites with similar objectives to ours but more liberal notability requirements. Filceolaire (talk) 21:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Phase 1 edit

Allow sitelinks after request and community consultation edit

This would ensure that the community decides on the matter. Some WMF or WMDE employees could have a say, too.

Support Filceolaire (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Put a disclaimer notice beside sitelinks to external wikis edit

To make clear they're not hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation nor affiliated with us.

Support. Filceolaire (talk) 18:57, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do not allow any sitelinks to external wikis edit

To preserve our independence and reliability.

I think external wikis should be linked locally by creating a mapping between items and external wiki pages in external wiki itself.--GZWDer (talk) 15:18, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Also, many wikis (for instance on Wikia) are full of copyvios. Not a good idea to link to them. --Jakob (talk) 19:24, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Phase 2 edit

Allow data access via Wikibase Client after request and community consultation edit

As above.

Strong oppose see below; Note that InstantCommons can be installed in all MediaWiki wikis; no one can prevent wikis from accessing Wikimedia Commons.--GZWDer (talk) 15:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Import data from external wikis edit

Oppose our data need more reliable sources. --Ricordi samoa 13:36, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do not allow data access via Wikibase Client by external wikis edit

Strong oppose Wikidata is CC0; so that data can be used in websites with CC-BY-NC, CC-BY-NC-SA, CC-BY-NC-ND, or All Rights Reserved licences. It's very useful to make both a MediaWiki extension and a PHP module (probably wrong words) to read data in Wikidata (must with cache, no live mirror). see a use case in Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot/MyEducationPath.com.--GZWDer (talk) 14:54, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose anyone should be able to access our data. --Jakob (talk) 19:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Anyone should be able to access our data via Lua or other wikidata toolbox. Direct access via wikibaseclient should be limited to WMF projects and a very few exceptionsl cases. Filceolaire (talk) 18:36, 24 February 2014 (UTC) Oppose. I've changed my mind. Access via Lua or wikibaseclient is a distinction without a difference and instant commans seems to work ok. We should allow access via wikibaseclient. Filceolaire (talk) 18:56, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]
A new Wikibase Client-like tool should be developed.--GZWDer (talk) 10:05, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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