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Cultural heritage edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Cultural heritage, Wikidata:WikiProject Intangible Cultural Heritage
Other related projects: Category:Cultural heritage WikiProjects

National Historical Museums of Sweden object ID edit

   On hold
Descriptionauthority identification for an object in the collections of the National Historical Museums of Sweden
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values[0-9A-Z]{8}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{4}-[0-9A-Z]{12}
Example 1Streiff (Q10681657) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/A4B754D2-5CB6-4FA1-997A-970250E32044
Example 2Mosjömadonnan (Q10589526) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/7C505995-EBF5-4106-BBEE-17F52BB3EA83
Example 3Elizabeth Reliquary (Q26253636) → https://samlingar.shm.se/object/8BA2743C-5065-438B-9FAA-D854606DB716
Sourcehttps://samlingar.shm.se
Planned useMatching and creating items in the collection that are depicted on Wikimedia Commons
Number of IDs in source1 300 000
Expected completenessno label (Q21873886 (always incomplete))
Formatter URLhttps://samlingar.shm.se/object/$1
See alsoNationalmuseum Sweden artwork ID (P2539)
Single-value constraintyes
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Motivation edit

Needed to be able to matching and creating items on Wikidata that are objects in the collection of NHM and that are depicted in images on Wikimedia Commons, for example. / LinneaKarlberg (talk) 12:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support LinneaKarlberg (talk) 13:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Eva L Vedin (talk) 13:08, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Elinor Rajka (talk) 19:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Support Azad Karimi (talk) 13:56, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment @LinneaKarlberg:, @Eva L Vedin:, @Elinor Rajka:, @Azad Karimi: coordinating support votes with ones colleagues is not helpful, the property proposal process is in place for a reason. Abbe98 (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, we did not know. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:19, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Comment Considering that National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) exists and that other properties from SHM are likely to be proposed in the future(places, events, heritage sites, ect) maybe there should only be one property? As far as I'm aware the UUIDs are unique across the various types and even if that wouldn't be the case one could include the type prefix in the id. Abbe98 (talk) 22:40, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: Sure, that would probably work. Do you have an example of another external identifier that includes several different types so I can check how it works? Is it possible then to change the name and details of P9495? LinneaKarlberg (talk) 07:22, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Europeana entity (P7704) would be one example. I would imagine migrating/generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) by: 1. updating the formatter URL 2. adding the agent prefix to existing values 3. updating the label/description of the property Abbe98 (talk) 10:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  Oppose Per the discussion above, I would suggest generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) rather than creating a new property for each type. I cave created a section on the discussion page. Abbe98 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Abbe98  , It would then be necessary to differentiate "agents" from "object". How would you like to do? (incorporate it into the identifier as a general property? or use an external URL formatter?) We can also consider that each property will be dedicated to the type (less errors with dedicated constraints). It would be necessary to recontact those who have already voted, as well as the voters of the other property, to find out if your idea appeals to them, but with more information. I don't see a URL leading directly to the correct page without using the type (with only the UUID). Example: type:UUID. Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 03:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi! I would imagine we would use one of the seven possible prefixes like agent/<UUID> and object/<UUID>. We could also use a generic resolver but there isn't an official one so I think such a solution is less optimal. Abbe98 (talk) 06:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Abbe98: @Eihel: @LinneaKarlberg: We just had a discussion about this with the Wikidata team at the National Historical Museums of Sweden. Our conclusion is that this property should not be created, and Abbe98's solution (using prefixes) is better. This will include us (WMSE is supporting the museum in their Wikidata work) generalizing National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and removing /person/ from the formatter URL and then adding the person prefix to all the existing uses of the property. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) I have pinged all the people who voted on National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495). I think we should leave it over the weekend at least but then if there are no one oposing this I can migrate it early next week. Abbe98 (talk) 12:32, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We at NHM are all on board with this approach instead of several Properties. LinneaKarlberg (talk) 08:09, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like an excellent idea. Many thanks Abbe98 . /André Costa (WMSE) (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks everyone, I've started re-defining National Historical Museums of Sweden ID (P9495) and will migrate the existing items using it. --Alicia Fagerving (WMSE) (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier edit

   On hold
Descriptionpersistent identifier for objects in the National Archives of Sweden main archival database
RepresentsNational Archives of Sweden (Q1724971)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainarchival resource (Q106815942), document (Q49848), work (Q386724)
Allowed valuesBase62-encoded UUID
Example 1No 2. Elbing. (Q111517198) → eYHMeAFOm4sNVmxKK3M5L2
Example 2No 3. Elbing (Q111517379) → 0zDW3BS0Gw9Haap2yUVspE
Example 3No 4. Danzigk wir es Eltere und newer werck (Q111519390) → zmQwWNi2ag9DQGJxnSVmD0
Implied notabilityWikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URLhttps://sok.riksarkivet.se/arkiv/$1
See alsoSwedish National Archive reference code (P5324)
Applicable "stated in"-valueNational Archives of Sweden (Q117288060)
Single-value constraintyes
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Motivation edit

Wikidata-objekt med denna egenskapen kan också ha Nationell Arkivdatabas Referenskod (P5324), men den persistenta identifieraren är enklare att använda för att skapa webbsides-URLer och länkad data-URIer. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

It has been created as Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) se discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not the same as I understand. This proposal is for objects in archives (maybe even archives or series, though I struggle to come up with a case where they would have a wikidata item). The property you link is for an agent (Swedish: arkivbildare). Belteshassar (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Belteshassar, Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige), Abbe98: Dont we make it more complex than needed. Formatter url is the same
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/agent/$1
My suggestion change the name on Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) to be both... I have used (maybe wrongly) both for the "person agent" and the "archive agent"
1) List examples nota bene August Strindberg seems to have more person identifiers at the National Archive looks like something that needs to be cleaned at "the National Archive"...
Having 2 different properties is like if someone should connect with Wikidata and add new properties for every type of instance instance of (P31) Wikidata has... ?
- Salgo60 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

writing technique edit

   Under discussion
Descriptiontechnique used for writing on stone, paper or other support
Data typeItem
Example 1EDR 092763 (Q124815019) -> chiselling (Q125418433)
Example 2Alexamenos graffito (Q577890) -> scratching (Q125653002)
Example 3Saint Clement and Sisinnius inscription (Q15157527) -> painted writing (Q125653482)
See alsofabrication method (P2079)

Motivation edit

  Notified participants of WikiProject Epigraphy As in the case of height of letters (P12549), indicating the writing technique (Q125400578) is a useful part of the description of an inscription (e.g. this detail is present in the entries of Epigraphic Database Roma (Q124541686)). --Epìdosis 17:20, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  • Should we limit the type of techniques we could specify? On EDR looking over, I've seen these: scalpro, caelo and signaculo Men (talk) 18:33, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think that all entities having instance of (P31)writing technique (Q125400578) are valid values for this property. EDR recognizes 18 possible values, listed in the manual at page 15. Epìdosis 23:10, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Comment Looking for "technique" returned fabrication method (P2079) − can you briefly explain why this would not be a good fit? Jean-Fred (talk) 19:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Jean-Frédéric: firstly thanks for pointing to fabrication method (P2079), I hadn't noticed it; effectively writing technique (Q125400578) wouldn't fit bad in it; I'm now uncertain if we effectively need this new property, although I can still see some potential advantages: a new property "writing technique", which would be a subproperty of "fabrication method", would apply more specifically to the field of epigraphy, and potentially an item regarding an inscription could have both a value of "fabrication method" for processes related to its fabrication as object and a value of "writing technique" for processes related specifically to how it has been inscribed (anyway, these two values could also go, with no particular concern, both in "fabrication method"). I leave the proposal open to collect other opinions if we need a new property or if using P2079 is just fine. --Epìdosis 08:48, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikidata:Property proposal/Fondazione Torino Musei

Cinematography edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies
Other relevant projects: Category:Movie WikiProjects

‎Jedipedia.net ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionindependent German Star Wars wiki
RepresentsJedipedia (Q125983983)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed units[^#<>\[\]{}|]+ (bad chars taken from mw:Manual:$wgLegalTitleChars)
Example 1Star Wars: Dark Forces (Q55287)→Dark_Forces
Example 2Star Wars: Episode V – The Empire Strikes Back (Q181795)→Episode_V_–_Das_Imperium_schlägt_zurück
Example 3George Lucas (Q38222)→George_Lucas
Sourcehttps://www.jedipedia.net/wiki/Spezial:Alle_Seiten
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.jedipedia.net/wiki/$1
Wikidata projectWikiProject Interwiki (Q123438108)

Motivation edit

It is the independent German counterpart of Wookieepedia (Q934052) not affiliated with the forked Fandom wiki (Q106513246) so it requires its own property to link. Matthias M. (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  Notified participants of WikiProject Interwiki by Matthias M. (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Notified participants of WikiProject Video games by Matthias M. (talk) 11:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  WikiProject Movies has more than 50 participants and couldn't be pinged. Please post on the WikiProject's talk page instead.

Television edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Movies

Anime and manga edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Anime and Manga

Music edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Music
Other relevant projects: Category:Music WikiProjects

Video game edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Video games
Other relevant projects: Category:Video game WikiProjects

‎Atarimuseum ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionentry in the Atarimuseum
RepresentsAtarimuseum (Q125998938)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\w+
Example 1Gauntlet (Q734758)→443
Example 2Lemmings (Q864177)→pa2080
Example 3Desert Falcon (Q56353878)→cx26140
Example 4Atari 400 (Q3306898)→400
Example 5Atari Lynx (Q753657)→lynx
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Mix'n'match4073
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://atarimuseum.de/$1.html
Distinct-values constraintyes
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation edit

It is an old static website that covers Atari (Q207922) hardware, even calculators (not yet on Wikidata) and of course games. I stumbled upon the existing Mix'n'match (Q28054658) catalogue and submitted it here. Matthias M. (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  Notified participants of WikiProject Video games by Matthias M. (talk) 13:06, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Literature edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Books
Other relevant projects: Category:Book WikiProjects

BD Gest' work ID edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionnumerical identifier for a comic book on the BD Gest' website
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaincomic book album (Q2831984)
Example 1Fruit Of Knowledge (Q86676432) → 285525
Example 2Q125629008 → 309134
Example 3Gods in Chaos (Q2261631) → 10982
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://www.bedetheque.com/BD--$1.html
Single-value constraintyes
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Motivation edit

We already have BD Gest' author ID (P5491) and BD Gest' series ID (P8619). I think having the labels referring to "work" (fr: "œuvre") is preferable to "comic book" (fr: "BD"), in anticipation of a possible future property to identify editions.

Ping people involved in those previous properties @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, Thierry Caro, Kokonino, Ayack, Eru:

-- Maxlath (talk) 06:21, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

‎Korrespondenzen der Frühromantik edit

person ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik person ID
RepresentsKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values\d*
Example 1Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (Q5879) → 137
Example 2Meta Forkel-Liebeskind (Q1416394) → 1834
Example 3Sophie Mereau (Q66313) → 4290
Number of IDs in source1804
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://briefe-der-romantik.de/letters/search?query=index_personen_11.ID:($1)
Applicable "stated in"-valueKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Single-value constraintyes
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organization ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik organization ID
RepresentsKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domaintype of organisation (Q17197366)
Allowed values\d*
Example 1Charité (Q162684) → 10342
Example 2University of Göttingen (Q152838) → 6154
Example 3Leipzig Book Fair (Q571730) → 6043
Number of IDs in source102
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://briefe-der-romantik.de/letters/search?query=index_koerperschaften_15.ID:($1)
Applicable "stated in"-valueKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Single-value constraintyes
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place ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik place ID
RepresentsKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainadministrative territorial entity type (Q15617994)
Allowed values\d*
Example 1Berlin (Q64) → 15
Example 2Vienna (Q1741) → 16
Example 3Zürich (Q72) → 227
Number of IDs in source305
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://briefe-der-romantik.de/letters/search?query=index_orte_10.ID:($1)
Applicable "stated in"-valueKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Single-value constraintyes
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work ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik work ID
RepresentsKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainintellectual work (Q15621286)
Allowed values\d*
Example 1Q110190088 → 8512
Example 2Panegyricus (Q3893205) → 2742
Example 3MISSING
Number of IDs in source1811
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://briefe-der-romantik.de/letters/search?query=index_werke_12.ID:($1)
Applicable "stated in"-valueKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Single-value constraintyes
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periodical ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik periodical ID
RepresentsKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainperiodical (Q1002697)
Allowed values\d*
Example 1Propyläen (Q2113178) → 2954
Example 2The Madras Courier (Q7749355) → 2696
Example 3Kritisches Journal der Philosophie (Q3199839) → 1537
Number of IDs in source124
Expected completenesseventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URLhttps://briefe-der-romantik.de/letters/search?query=index_periodika_13.ID:($1)
Applicable "stated in"-valueKorrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359)
Single-value constraintyes
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Motivation edit

Korrespondenzen der Frühromantik (Q125973359) is an academic project funded by the German Research Foundation (Q707283). It offers a letters edition with focus on the German early Romanticist movement. The creation of these five properties would facilitate a further development of items related to this topic. Since all, or at least most, entries in those five registers achieve WD:N #2 notability, these properties would also facilitate notability consideration by admins and other users alike.

Note: I responded to this topic by email and offered to create this property proposal. I have not received any compensation, monetary or otherwise, and I’m not affiliated with the project. --Emu (talk) 22:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  Notified participants of WikiProject Germany Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 19:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need a place ID, but the rest looks good. Bigbossfarin (talk) 07:13, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Video edit

Image edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts

Podcast edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Podcasts


Theatre edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Performing arts‎, Wikidata:WikiProject Theatre‎

Fiction edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Fictional universes, Wikidata:WikiProject Narration
For projects about specific universes, see: Category:Fiction WikiProjects

canon status edit

   Under discussion
Descriptioncanon status for this creative work, episode or fictional entity in it's respective narrative universe
Representscanon (Q53815)
Data typeItem
Domaincreative work (Q17537576) and fictional entity (Q14897293)
Allowed valuescanon (Q53815), non-canon (Q99841874), unconfirmed canon (Q124162270), disputed canon (Q124162276), fanon (Q3739281)
Example 1Leisure Suit Larry 4: The Missing Floppies (Q1118622)→canon (Q53815)
Example 2Hugo Simpson (Q4990628)→non-canon (Q99841874)
Example 3Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (Q17738)→canon (Q53815) (applies to work (P10663)→Star Wars universe (Q19786052))
Example 4Magearna (Q24041783) (sex or gender (P21)→female (Q6581072)→Canon status → fanon (Q3739281))
Example 5Graggle Simpson (Q112513067)→fanon (Q3739281)
Example 6The Star Wars Holiday Special (Q1538082)→non-canon (Q99841874)
Example 7Treehouse of Horror II (Q2376730)→non-canon (Q99841874)
Example 8Crystal Blue-Haired Persuasion (Q63344441)→canon (Q53815)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Distinct-values constraintno

Motivation edit

This would open up more far possibilies when modeling fictional entities and works both as a statement but also as a qualifier

We might or might not want to have a mandatory applies to work (P10663) qualifier but i'll leave that decision up to the community. Same applies to unconfirmed canon (Q124162270) and disputed canon (Q124162276) being allowed values--Trade (talk) 03:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

so canonicity doesn't seem to be a boolian value–Shisma (talk) 12:48, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is nothing to stop a work from having multiple canons Trade (talk) 19:07, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Oppose This would mean adding a "canon: yes" statement to pretty much every existing item for a canonical subject in a work, which is needless bloat IMO. Also, as mentioned above, there's the matter of things existing in multiple canons. One of the proposed examples is for Star Wars, which has its regular canon and also "Legends". I think the idea behind this is good but there are just a lot of problems I can see in trying to implement it in practice. OmegaFallon (talk) 13:14, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the Star Wars example wrong?--Trade (talk) 15:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trade, Arlo Barnes, Keplersj, Wolverène: I created an alternative proposal under Wikidata:Property proposal/is part of canon –Shisma (talk) 09:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Weak oppose I’m not 100% sure (as I would need to think way more about this), but my gut feeling is that canonicity is something that is inherently contextual − which canon are we talking about? «Official StarWars» vs « Legends » come to mind − and thus needs to live as a qualifier on something, not as a main statement. Would it then work to have it qualify takes place in fictional universe (P1434)? or media franchise (P8345)? Or is canon something orthogonal to both the universe and the franchise, and needs a separate proposal entirely (Perhaps Shisma’s alternative proposal aligns better with my thoughts) Jean-Fred (talk) 11:01, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎is part of canon edit

   Under discussion
Descriptioncanon status for this creative work, episode or fictional entity in it's respective narrative universe
Representscanon (Q53815)
Data typeItem
Domaincreative work (Q17537576)
Allowed valuesinstances of canon (Q53815)
Example 1Radioactive Man (Q1953829)→The Simpsons canon (Q124206593)
Example 2Treehouse of Horror VII (Q1087745)→unknown (not part of any known canon)
Example 3Star Wars: Episode IV – A New Hope (Q17738)→Star Wars canon (Q3648466)
Example 4Star Wars: Rebel Assault (Q55259)→Star Wars Legends (Q3551295) (canon should probably have its own item)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Distinct-values constraintno

Motivation edit

This proposal is an alternative proposal for Wikidata:Property proposal/Canonicity.

  • This is a subproperty of part of (P361).
  • The subject of this property must be a work (Q386724).
  • The object of this property must be a canon (Q53815)
  • The property may be used in reference statements, if the object of the reference has no wikidata item. For instance if it is merely a url.

The truthfullness of statements should be evaluated using references. Conflicting statements of non-work entities should be ranked with

  preferred
reason for preferred rank (P7452) → at least one source is considered canonical (Q106831793) (example)
  depricated
reason for deprecated rank (P2241) → source is not considered canonical (Q124173200) (example)

Non-conflicting, statements should not be qualified with any canonicity evaluations. Instead a reference statement with stated in (P248) should be present. The object of stated in (P248) should itself have a is part of canon statement. This way a user can query which statements are relevant for a particular canon.

A statement without a reference statement should not be considered canonical – Shisma (talk) 09:16, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

  Comment Why are we not allowed to use this on fictional entities?--Trade (talk) 02:08, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you could qualify almost every statement of a fictional entity with with whether it is canon or not but that would be:
  1. a lot of work
  2. a lot of redundancy
because the question can be answerd purely on the fact if the information is taken from a work that is part of the body of a canon or if it isn't. thats why I propose only qualify conflicting statements with existing properties. It is a common misconception that an information or statement can be canon. A canon is a collection of works – Shisma (talk) 08:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I literally said nothing about statements Trade (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand. do you have an example? – Shisma (talk) 15:42, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ah, you mean like a character? – Shisma (talk) 15:55, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah Trade (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
so you mean statements like:
Professor Moriarty (Q283111)is part of canoncanon of Sherlock Holmes (Q2316684)
I think it would be more correct and straightforward forward to say:
Professor Moriarty (Q283111)present in work (P1441)The Final Problem (Q228119) + The Final Problem (Q228119)is part of canoncanon of Sherlock Holmes (Q2316684)
But I'd be fine with the former too. Other opinions? – Shisma (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support, an important property for fiction.--Arbnos (talk) 14:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support I have a slight preference for this one. But Trade's proposal has the advantage that it is possible to make it explicit that something is not part of a certain canon (using canon status:non-canon, restricted to the canon using applies to work (P10663), for instance). With this property we can only express that something is not part of a certain canon if we are complete with respect to that canon. We can use <no value> if there is really no canon this work belongs to, but couldn't there be a Simpsons-Sherlock-Holmes-Crossover that is considered part of the Simpsons canon but not part of the Sherlock Holmes canon? (I could not think of a real example and I'm not sure if this is a likely scenario). How would we express this? - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I suppose proving that something is not part of any canon is like proving that something doesn't exist. Maybe it is part of my headcanon that I published on my entirely irrelevant weblog in the late 90s. There would also be an infinite number of works that are not part of a canon. For instance: every Episode of the Simpsons is not in the Sherlock Holmes Canon. I'd say we can add unknown if we don't have a complete catalog of canon items. – Shisma (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In general you're right. I was just thinking of cases where one would expect that a work is part of a canon but it is not. E.g. for every episode of The Simpsons (Q886) it may be expected that it is part of The Simpsons canon (or I would expect that), but Treehouse of Horror II (Q2376730) is not. It is somehow more interesting that an episode of The Simpsons (Q886) is not part of The Simpsons canon than that it is part of the canon. It is somehow similar to does not have part (P3113) - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 08:03, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Valentina.Anitnelav: you mean like not found in (P9660) (opposite of described by source (P1343))? – Shisma (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, or like this (depending on how you think of the relationship between a canon and its "parts"). On the other hand I think my Simpsons-Holmes-expample (where we could not use <no value>) would be very, very rare. Probably we can just forget about it. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    No, lets keep in mind that is not part of canon could be useful in the future for edge cases – Shisma (talk) 16:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Weak support - Weak support. Preferring Trade's proposal. My focus (admittedly I've been on a bit of a wiki-break lately due to IRL priorities) around here has been with works such as the Touhou Project, where canonicity can be fuzzy at times, thanks to the series mostly being the work of just one developer. The first five games in the series were made for the Japanese PC-98 computer in the late '90s. After the PC-98 was discontinued around the turn of the millennium, the series "started over" with 2002's Touhou Koumakyou: the Embodiment of Scarlet Devil, featuring Reimu and Marisa (the deuteragonists) but none of the other characters from the PC-98 games. Only two PC-98 characters (Yuuka Kazami and Alice Margatroid) have ever reappeared in a later Windows game, with both having been redesigned to some degree. When asked about the PC-98 games' canonicity, ZUN (the sole creator) has stated multiple times that (paraphrased) "PC-98 canon applies as long as Windows canon doesn't conflict with it." However ZUN doesn't always section everything off, and the fans are left with "Is this still canon or is this decanonized?" type-of-questions. (For example, Yuuka Kazami had a big mansion-esque building in Touhou 4 (a PC-98 game). She (eventually) reappeared in Touhou 9 (a Windows game)... just in a big flower field, with no sign of a mansion. Did it get removed (decanonized) and replaced with the flower field? Did we just not see it in Touhou 9? Who knows! So would "stuff" (I use the term loosely) discarded in such a manner - never outright stated to have been decanonized, but partially overwritten and otherwise not brought up again - be considered part of a "canon of X" item, or do they not? Or would they be part of a separate "canon of X (old)" item? -- Kurzov (talk) 17:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know any particulars of this franchise. But here's my interpretation and how I suppose the proposed property would apply: There is apperently a work that "is part of a canon" and another work that is "(only partially) part of a canon". Sorry for repeating myself: this property is only concerned with works, not anyone's interpretation of what can be seen in them. In short, i'd model this with the qualifier: nature of statement (P5102) partially (Q100349848) –Shisma (talk) 19:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We could probably use an item named "loose canon" for this. Trade (talk) 02:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

last appearance edit

   Under discussion
Descriptionlast work featuring a fictional character or item
Representslast appearance (Q125686982)
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Mary Camden (Q125682212)→…And Thank You (Q114523400)
Example 2Dane Vogel (Q56613123)→Saints Row: Gat out of Hell (Q17911588)
Example 3Victor Vance (Q2469911)→Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (Q94671)
Example 4Troy McClure (Q1504550)→Bart the Mother (Q2617345)
Example 5Mermaid Man (Q93186548)→Patrick-Man! (Q29566244)
Example 6Leonard Burton (Q107024611)→The Hundred Year Play (Q109677017)
Example 7Bulldog (Q60649159)→Saints Row IV (Q13060351)
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Wikidata projectWikiProject Video games (Q8485882)

Motivation edit

This seemed needed--Trade (talk) 04:10, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

I would even say that P1441 itself needs to be redesigned. Filling in all kinds of media, individual works, episodes of works, series of works of one media, series of works of cross-media (franchise) - this is all bad practice, because of which there are now difficulties with tuning infoboxes. Solidest (talk) 04:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is not on the data model, but in the infoboxes. We shouldn't model the data considering only Wikipedia usecases, Wikidata does not exist only to fullfill Wikipedia infoboxes and tables. The real problem is that now there isn't a way to make SPARQL queries from Lua templates for query data that has complex relationships. Changing the data model will not fix that. There is no problem on the way P1441 is used, because all of these uses express the same relationship, and SPARQL can be used to get further data, based in whether the predicate is a franchise, collection or a single creative work. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 23:42, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could you elaborate? I am confused what the issue you are referring to is Trade (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creative work edit

See also: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/works
Software products and brands, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Infoboxes/terms
Books, see: Wikidata:WikiProject Books

promodj.com album ID edit

   Under discussion
DescriptionAlbum page on promodj.com - this is a popular website, started in 2005.
Data typeExternal identifier
Example 1Earth's Attraction (Q106247051) -> complexnumbers/groups/700597
Example 2The Morning of the New Millennium (Q106199063) -> complexnumbers/groups/700625
Example 3MISSING
Formatter URLhttps://promodj.com/$1

Motivation edit

We already have PromoDj ID - but only for person, this proposal is for album, after I will create a new proposal - for track. Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

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