Talk:Q108917642

Linking to the original page

Dorades, I am a fairly inexperienced editor at Wikidata, but I would surely think that a Wikidata item about a user essay should contain a link to that essay. In fact, all three pages linked to this item are translations of the userspace page. Even if technically against the rules, I would appeal to Wikidata:Use common sense. HouseBlaster (talk) 16:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

I understand that this is a special case. Maybe we should bring it to a bigger forum at Wikidata:PC? --Dorades (talk) 17:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea––I'll start a thread. HouseBlaster (talk) 18:27, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

What was the result of the discussion? --Guy Macon (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: The thread was archived before formal closure (I don't see many discussions in the archive that were formally closed), but the general sentiment was that it needs to be in projectspace before it can have a link. Maybe en:Wikipedia:Guy Macon/Yes. We are biased.? The reasoning is Wikidata disproportionately maintained by bots, and those bots have at best strange and at worst harmful behaviour in the presence of links to userspace. There is no {{nobots}}-equivalent for items. HouseBlaster (talk) 23:05, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

My information may be out of date, but is it still possible to vandalize Wikidata and thus introduce vandalism into a Wikipedia page without it showing up in the page history? If this has been fixed, great, but if not I am against any use of Wikidata on Wikipedia, and would prefer to avoid it on my userpages.

The suggestion to move the page out of userspace is very bad advice. In userspace, I control the content (I let pretty much anyone make any changes they want, but retain the final say.) Without that control the page would be filled with things like...

• We are biased towards Joe Biden, and biased against Donald Trump.
• We are biased towards Donald Trump, and biased against Joe Biden.
• We are biased towards cryptocurrency, and biased against fiat government currency.
• We are biased towards real money, and biased against scammy "crypto" money.
• We are biased towards unborn children, and biased against murder by abortion.
• We are biased towards women owning their own bodies, and biased against religious zealots taking away our basic reproductive rights.

...or whatever other hobbyhorse someone want to coatrack in.

I would note that the English Wikipedia does allow such links. See, for example the discussion at [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_May_7#Wikipedia:LABLEAKLIKELY ]. Our policy on this is at [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect ], which says

"The major exception to this rule [ against cross-namespace redirect out of article space ] are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space."

In my opinion, if Wikidata has an arbitrary rule against cross-namespace redirects that rule should be changed to align with English Wikipedia policy. --Guy Macon Alternate Account (talk) 12:48, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I think the moral of this story is Wikidata needs some sort of Template:Bots (Q5412844)... HouseBlaster (talk) 17:37, 9 December 2023 (UTC)