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Guidance on membership data maintenance edit

My Canadian colleagues and I have been uploading performing arts associations' members datasets to Wikidata for the last two years. We uploaded 7 such datasets (and soon an 8th dataset) and have been maintaining this data since. Over the course of this work, questions arose on how best to populate member of (P463) statements that are accurate and meaningful at the time of the initial upload and remain so over time. We discussed these questions with the WikiProject Performing arts (Q59956276) community and we arrived at a consensus on a set of good practices for documenting membership statuses in Wikidata. While this guidance was developed for performing arts use cases, we realize it could be useful in other domains as well. Publishing it within the WikiProject Performing arts (Q59956276) consequently doesn't make sense. We should publish it somewhere where the broader Wikidata community will be more likely to search for and find such information.

  Question

  1. Where do you recommend we publish this guidance?
    1. Wikidata talk:WikiProject Organizations?
    2. Another Wikiproject?
    3. "member of" discussion page?
    4. A combination of the above?
  2. Does this proposed set of good practices make sense? Do you have further input to provide? If so, please add comments or suggested edits to the Google doc.

Sincer thanks for your input! Fjjulien (talk) 16:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Note: There is a qualifier property proposal related to this guidance: Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic#latest end date. Fjjulien (talk) 16:12, 18 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Adding this guidance to the "member of" discussion page would definitely be helpful for Wikimedians seeking extra guidance about using the property. As for the WikiProjects, it doesn't look like Organizations has a Data Structure section per se. However, the guidance could be added to the Discussion page, if members of that WikiProject would find it useful. Dlh28 (talk) 19:30, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Issue - Desynching edit

Hello. Working on simple wiki we have under 100 items that are desynched on taxonbars. En has over 3k. I’m trying to figure out how to fix this. One example is Q30766361 and if you look at both simple and en we have the same errors. We have a lot of articles I need to put a taxonbar on, but I’d like to know how to remedy this situation so I can fix it as it comes up. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:31, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

For some pages that haven't been edited on simplewiki, it seems the ParserCache stopped updating around 21 December 2023 for some odd reason. I guess report to Phabricator so they can figure it out? Infrastruktur (talk) 18:12, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Infrastruktur Do you know what task # or should I make a new task? If so, what project? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 08:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You may get better feedback at Wikidata:Report a technical problem. Bovlb (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bovlb Thanks I posted it there. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Null edits edit

Is it possible to make a null edit on Wikidata? How? Kk.urban (talk) 04:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What problem are you trying to fix? Data showing up incorrectly in the query graph or data showing up incorrectly on a connected wiki? In the latter case you should be able to solve the problem by doing a mass-purge of pages on the connected wiki using a script (touch.py) that comes with pywikibot. Nulledits in the traditional sense don't work on Wikibase. But if it turns out you actually need to fix graph issues, let us know. Infrastruktur (talk) 11:25, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Infrastruktur I don't know what a query graph is, but the reason is data showing up incorrectly on a Wikidata page. Kk.urban (talk) 14:58, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see. A normal purge on a wikidata item will only fix page rendering issues: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q13406268&action=purge . If there is something wrong with the item's data, can you post a link to the item? Infrastruktur (talk) 15:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Infrastruktur No, purge is all I needed. I just didn't know how to do it. Kk.urban (talk) 15:51, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

An unexpected effect of Covid-19 on the Wikidata project? edit

 
Updated overview.

Here's an interesting statistic - this is an aggregation of blocked people per month. Look at what happened early 2020 which coincides with Covid-19. You can ignore the spike in blocks from when Wikidata first was established because that's expected and normal.

Do you think Covid-19 really affected Wikidata as badly as the graph would suggest? What are your thoughts? Infrastruktur (talk) 19:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Infrastruktur: This is certainly very interesting. I wonder if a similar phenomenon occurred across all wmf-wikis. Ottawahitech (talk) 20:05, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Could partially be related to the introduction of CheckUsers at Wikidata. We have those since late April 2020. Additionally, I think we have some more activity on the counter-vandalism front, also from admins who use the tools much more actively than what was common before. —MisterSynergy (talk) 20:44, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
re: introduction of CheckUsers
I did not know that CheckUsers were only introduced to WD recently (when?),@MisterSynergy. If this is the reason for the increased number of blocked users, that would mean the increase is attributed to users identified as sock-puppets, wouldn't it? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:50, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Since May 2020. There were some pushback against it back then Trade (talk) 22:09, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks @Trade, @MisterSynergy.
Does anyone remember why there was support for adding Wikidata:CheckUsers here? and why only in 2020? Ottawahitech (talk) 21:59, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wikidata had an issue of freelancers/SEO specialists who keep recreating the same spam items biweekly, daily and even multiple times a day using a different account/IP each time the previous one was banned. This in turn left some users who keep nominating their items for deletion feeling powerless against the LTAs who (seemingly) never faced any long term consequences
Before the creation of Checkuser, every Checkuser request on Wikidata needed to be requested through to a Stewart on Meta-Wiki which discouraged users due to being uneccesarily bureaucratic and placing an unfair burden on the requester
Why only in 2020? Probably due to the low amount of active users compared to the project size and because no one bothered to make a fuzz about it in 2020 Trade (talk) 22:24, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Idea: we employ Abuse filter more than before, which is capable of blocking users.
Still, interesting finding. 2020-2021 correlate quite well with the pandemic's intensity. But unlike the world, this didn't recover. --Matěj Suchánek (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good theories. I updated the statistics to check what the impact of checkusers or abusefilters was. It doesn't seem to explain the whole increase, but increased anti-vandal activity is still a likely explanation Infrastruktur (talk) 10:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Transcripts of news/tv/etc programs edit

I am trying to locate a transcript of a very interesting TV program I watched on The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell recently. I looked at the wikidata item hoping there was a link to a web page where transcripts are stored and came back empty handed. Just wondering if there is a WD Statement (I think I am using the correct WD jargon) for this purpose.

Am I making sense? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:12, 22 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You probably already found https://www.msnbc.com/transcripts/show/the-last-word . I'm not aware of an appropriate property. Bovlb (talk) 16:46, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Bovlb, thanks so much for locating the link, and correcting my use of the WD jargon.
I still believe there should be a property linking transcipts for the program with appropriate items such as The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell (Q7746206) . How would one make a proposal for a new property? Or is there another way for including this type of information?
Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
you might want to look at Wikidata:Property proposal BrokenSegue (talk) 18:32, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, @BrokenSegue
I briefly checked the link provided above and was happy to see that property proposals are currently divided by topic:
  • Generic (16)
  • Authority control (7)
  • Person (9)
  • Oganization and politics (9)
  • Sports (6)
  • Creative work (7)
  • Place (10)
  • Sister projects (0)
  • Transportation (2)
  • Natural science (6)
  • Computing (4)
  • Lexemes (12)
  • Pending proposals
  • Ready for creation (3)
I also see I would have to find the time to study 2 policies carefully:
Just wondering how long this should take to accomplish? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 22:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@ Ottawahitech: how long it takes really depends. if the proposal is uncontroversial and you bug people to approve it it can go down in maybe a couple weeks. others you may see last for a very very long time. I don't really understand what your proposal is so it's hard to say. Are you trying to make a new URL property that links to a website that hosts the transcript of an episode of a program? Or a website with archives for an entire series? BrokenSegue (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
First one presumably Trade (talk) 23:33, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The second.
I have been trying to find appropriate quotes for the English Wikiquote and I often watch TV programs with a wealth of information, but it would take me way too long to try and extract quotes from the TV program directly. If I had easy access to a website with archives for an entire series, it would help me, and others extract quotes more easily.
As an example yesterday I watched The Source with Kaitlan Collins (Q124677056) who interviewed Volodymyr Zelenskyy (Q3874799) which contained some eyeopeners, at least for me. If I had easy access to transcripts for this program, I (or someone else) would be able to share quotes with others Ottawahitech (talk) 20:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Ottawahitech: you could also consider using described at URL (P973) with some qualifier indicating it's a transcript website. i'll note that some people will likely object to this since transcripts are copyrighted and so this might be facilitating piracy. BrokenSegue (talk) 22:38, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Can someone better disambiguate these two edit

grandiose delusions (Q4798003) and grandiose delusions (Q987664) RAN (talk) 18:49, 23 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Provisional appointment and deputy appointments edit

Hi. I'm looking for the correct way to encode a provisional appointment to a position. Normally, I would say "chairperson" and then fill the information, but if the appointment is only provisional surely there is something else to note.

Similarly, I'm looking for a way to encode deputy director/managers of an organization. David.Monniaux (talk) 15:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@David.Monniaux: Not 100% sure, but I would personally go for a qualifier in that scenario. You can enter chairperson (Q140686) as position held and then add a qualifier has characteristic (P1552) with value either impermanence (Q6776685) or interim (Q4895105). Another option would be to use the qualifier valid in period (P1264) if you have more precise information about the duration of the temporary mandate. Hope this helps. Nastoshka (talk) 16:06, 24 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks! I suppose that I can similarly say "has characteristic: deputy" for somebody who is deputy director of some organization? David.Monniaux (talk) 16:05, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Recording current or contemporary countries for events edit

Should the country (P17) for the Battle of Austerlitz (Q134114) be Austrian Empire (Q131964) or the Czech Republic (Q213), a country that came into existence 188 years afterwards. Please give your opinions at Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Current_or_contemporary_location_and_country_for_events , where @Romaine and I are at loggerheads. Vicarage (talk) 08:45, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

How to add references to statements edit

I am trying to change the date of birth of Sharyn Alfonsi (Q7490514) based on information from the English Wikipedia but I am unable to add the reference. I am pretty sure I have added references to statements before but I cannot remember how I did it. I also remember having trouble adding references before.

Is there a Help file somewhere that explains how to add references and if so how can one find such a help-file.

Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Ottawahitech Hi, Have a look at Wikidata:Tours#References and Help:Sources Nastoshka (talk) 21:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks @Nastoshka.
I should explain I am not a regular contributor at Wikidata and my memory fades fast. I know ideally I should take this tutorial and others, but I just do not have extra time at the moment. I am looking for a concise help file, not a long tutorial. Does WD have one? Ottawahitech (talk) 22:08, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure what isn't working. You click "add reference" and then pick the kind of reference (most often "reference url") and then type the value. BrokenSegue (talk) 22:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Please note that we need a better source than (the English) Wikipedia, also because WD:BLP applies. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 10:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
does a date of birth count as a "Statements that can reasonably be expected to be challenged" per BLP? BrokenSegue (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes of course. Were you born yesterday? Do you challenge that? If so, please type your full name, date of birth, home address, and social security number. -Animalparty (talk) 02:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Proper code edit

I am trying to resolve an error from something that was copied over.

The wd pull statement the editor put in is:
ietf={{wikidata|property|references|P305}}

In the ref section it shows:
Error: Unable to display the reference properly. See the documentation for details.

I copied the info box from en:Gascon dialect. You can see the error there as well. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@PotsdamLamb: if you see Q35735, then there IETF language tag (P305) has two overlapping references. It may be the source of error. Are both references needed there? Estopedist1 (talk) 07:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Estopedist1 I took one of the references out (the pre 1500 year one) and it still shows the same error. I have even purged and waited a minute before doing it again. So I think I am safe to say, that is not working. I even changed the pull from references to reference. Any other suggestions? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 07:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also tried with wd instead of wikidata; no avail. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 07:48, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
looks like it was the subtitle field that was breaking it. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:53, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Major issue with P3124 edit

Just to let everyone know, a critical issue related to Polish scientist ID (P3124) has occured in the last 24 hours and this identifier is simply not working at the moment. What's more, it is very likely it won't work permanently. As this is an issue very much related to Poland and also affecting Polish Wikipedia, the discussion on possible ways of resolving it is currently being held in Polish language in the technical chat of Polish Wikipedia, namely here. I don't think we should have a separate discussion here, it's probably better to keep it in one place, but if anyone would like to contribute any thoughts or ideas, please feel invited to join us, even in English. Powerek38 (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I kindly want to know how to put up a biography for an individual on Wikipedia edit

Please kindly help me through with the process of getting a biography of an individual on Wikipedia, a professional Footballer, who needs his information shared on Wikipedia when searched for 197.210.55.126 16:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

This is not related to Wikidata and until someone finds them relevant enough for inclusion there is always a personal website. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 17:23, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
My home wikipedia would consider a top-tier professional footballer notable (eligible for a page) but this should be ascertained before you start writing. It's better to ask people on the Wikipedia that you consider writing a bio for. If it's notable for a wikipedia it's automatically notable for wikidata. Most such pages ends up being a short summary of the player's career (avoid making it look like a CV or a marketing brochure) and some key figures and a so-called infobox. But there are some highly notable players with quite the long pages too e.g. en:Ole Gunnar Solskjær. Infrastruktur (talk) 19:47, 28 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Designing a new Wishlist: Meet Jack, the new Lead Community Tech Manager edit

Hello community, I want to introduce Jack Wheeler, who has recently joined the Wikimedia Foundation as the Lead Community Tech Manager and is responsible for the Future of the Wishlist.

Jack would like to have a conversation with the community, to get input for the design of the new Wishlist Survey, starting with how to define a "Wish."

Community Tech would appreciate you chatting with him; your input will be invaluable.

You can check out Jack's first message to the community, where you can find a link to proceed to book time to talk to him, or share your ideas.

Best regards,

On behalf of the Community Tech team, STei (WMF) (talk) 11:14, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

P518 on P180 edit

Can I use P518 to qualify a P180 statement to clarify what part of the image is meant? For instance if an action is depicted and the subject of the action isn't the main subject of the image

Theanswertolifetheuniverseandeverything (talk) 12:00, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

if I'm understanding you you cannot because you cannot put a qualifier on a qualifier. BrokenSegue (talk) 17:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Vandalism from 2001:448A:50E edit

IPv4:

  1. Special:Contributions/36.68.219.160 -- Kaytha Coker (Q6380711)
  2. Special:Contributions/36.81.143.114
  3. Special:Contributions/36.81.188.76
  4. Special:Contributions/36.81.192.108
  5. Special:Contributions/36.82.133.220
  6. Special:Contributions/61.5.127.111 -- ..., Kaytha Coker (Q6380711), ...


IPv6:

  1. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:386:745E:5FE0:3677:73BA -- Kirara Hoshi (Q11512691), Reo Sawada (Q11565958), Hirona Murata (Q5354384)
  2. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:931B:B9FA:FE49:91DC:3914 -- Lina Thiede (Q62078578), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  3. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:C4C0:4855:7D69:97F2:E5B7 -- Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  4. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:E9A8:B99A:E8D2:51A3:1734 -- Yuuki Matsuda (Q8062131), Satsuki Yukino (Q49580), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  5. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E0:F58F:6133:C7B:AB42:3FCE -- Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  6. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:6677:5D45:785:F9BB:8FE8 -- Mariya Ise (Q1333938), Reo Sawada (Q11565958)
  7. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:7AD0:759D:7896:D09F:75B5 -- Aki Shimazaki (Q417916), Peter von Gomm (Q6073503)
  8. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E1:B8C8:300D:B551:3E2E:A035 -- Maddalena Vadacca (Q3842289)
  9. Special:Contributions/2001:448A:50E2:6E24:FD5B:4ADF:7AF5:9CC9 -- Keiko Mukaide (Q6383687)

@NicoScribe, Xezbeth, Anr, Madamebiblio: fyi, each of you reverted some of it.

Is it possible to have a special page where the vandalism from that range can be tracked? CV213 (talk) 19:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I wasn't familiar with this vandal until they started on Wikidata, but I believe they're an LTA that's been plaguing EN and JP Wikipedias for years (see this edit for an example). It will probably just switch to a different range if this one is locked down. —Xezbeth (talk) 20:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Here's an overview of previous blocks, local and global:
86 668206155 2023-11-20 11:06:15 Yahya 2001:448A:50E0:0:0:0:0:0/48 ipv6range 1 month nocreate True
0 666645194 2022-08-04 06:57:28 Lymantria 36.82.133.220 ipv4 31 hours anononly,nocreate True
1 666656952 2022-08-08 14:28:17 Emu 36.82.133.220 ipv4 2 weeks anononly,nocreate True
0 45885557 2022-02-11 14:40:25 علاء 36.81.0.0/16 ipv4range anonymous only expiration 14:40, 11 March 2022
Blocks this wide are usually rather short. Infrastruktur (talk) 21:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]
By the way, the WDPD tool lists contributions for users with block history, that should be one good way to spot returning LTAs. Infrastruktur (talk) 23:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]

IMDB entry problematic/misleading for two people named "Rune Bergman" edit

Rune Bergman (Q18649207) and Rune Bergman (Q5572776) are two different people according to the Swedish Film Database (Q1139587) with different dates of birth, 1933 and 1937 respectively. I've added references for both people's date of birth (P569). The IMDB entry includes movies that both actors have participated in, including Nasty Old People (Q3280823) which I'm trying to work on and Under ditt parasoll (Q10709335) which is related to one of the music groups that one of the "Rune Bergman"s were part of. The music group that Rune Bergman (Q5572776) is a part of is Sven-Ingvars (Q696274).

Should we make sure that the imdb entry is not used on either one of the "Rune Bergman"s or is the entry added to them both as an exception or what do we/I do? MythsOfAesop (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]