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Best regards! Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:26, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:Bouzinac/Archive 1 on 2018-08-08.

Salut,

Je vois (avec pas mal de retard) que tu as fait un import des arrêts et lignes de transports en commun à Rennes. Est-ce qu'il te serait possible de refaire une passe avec les nouvelles données ?

Pour le contexte, je viens de tomber sur Q106681630 qui n'existe plus, mais je ne suis pas sûr de la meilleure façon de l'indiquer (je dirais state of conservation (P5816) = demolished or destroyed (Q56556915) comme pour les bâtiments, mais peut-être y a-t-il une convention particulière pour les TC).

Salut, le réseau a probablement dû évoluer depuis l'arrivée d'une nouvelle ligne de métro sur Rennes. Il faudrait probablement refaire une import, avec un rajout et pour les arrêts qui ont disparu, un état d'usage^(P5817)= désaffecté^(Q11639308), exemple chapelle Notre-Dame-du-Bon-Secours de Rennes^(Q107342907) La état de conservation^(P5816) est plus dans l'indication quel telle truc existe toujours physiquement (on voit encore les murs) ou pas, ce qui est différent de l'autre propriété.

Oui, le réseau a bien évolué récemment. Les arrêts mais aussi les lignes ont changé.

En l'occurrence, l'arrêt "Champs Libres" a aussi disparu physiquement (c'est un parterre de fleur maintenant, je passe devant tout les jours) mais je te laisse voir et faire au mieux.

Si je peux t'aider, il ne faut pas hésiter à demander.

L'import m'avait permis de faire cette carte https://w.wiki/3GbR Elle est probablement obsolète... Et de plus, l'import que j'avais fait a mis les identifiants d'arrêt dans la mauvaise propriété (la bonne étant code de gare/station/arrêt^(P296))

La source qui m'avait servi à l'import a l'air à jour https://data.rennesmetropole.fr/explore/dataset/topologie-des-points-darret-de-bus-du-reseau-star/

Ooups, oui j'avais oublié de le préciser mais la source a effectivement été mise à jour sur le site Data Rennes, n'hésite pas à t'en resservir.

Et vu le changement assez important, le réseau de bus a fait une petit carte avant/après très utile pour vérifier la mise à jour dans notre cas : https://www.star2022.fr/voyager-demain/reseau-avant-apres

Enfin, je notifie les wikidatien-ne-s rennais-e-s avec qui on en a (rapidement) parlé hier soir : @Envlh, The mitooo, Pymouss:.

Salut. Je te signale à tout hasard que via la requête https://w.wiki/62p9, laquelle s'inspire des tiennes, j'ai remarqué qu'à Porto et Valence il y a des lignes qui s'affichent de façon incomplète. Vois si ça t'intéresse de te pencher là-dessus...

Hi can you help me with this query used in this template. It looked similar to {{Tramway}}and I'm trying to make it work for Q109457286.

The query works for lines with 'Part of' property, how to make it adapt to 'Transport Network' property?

1) Also is it possible to select the system when it consists of only one line and line entry does not exist. eg: when "?systems" is Rapid Metro Gurgaon (Q7294170). Here OSM route relation uses system's Qid.

2) and to view all OSM features that uses a particular wikidata ID? Thanks.

Hi, in general transport network (P16) is more fit/concise than part of (P361), so don't be afraid to input P16=P361, with, for instance, quickstatements. 1bis) Map of Rapid Metro Gurgaon (query) is looking good, I don't see the pb? 2) I am afraid I don't know OSM very well, just for checking coordinates. Don't hesitate to post a query request here https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Request_a_query

Thanks, I'll post it there. I was looking to make Q109457286 and Rapid Metro Gurgaon (Q7294170) work with template:Rapid transit OSM map on enwiki.

Just a question Vasai Road - Roha line^(Q39060505) : is this a suburban mumbai line? I don't find it on a map (is there an official map somewhere?)

I have no idea :(. I only came across It when I was moving its S-line version to adjacent stations on enwiki. This is the official map on Western Railways website .

Hi, thanks for updating Q96374427. The English name of this tram station is Changping Subway Station, not Changping or Changping tramway station. The name means it's a station near Changping Station of Guangzhou Metro.

According to https://news.dayoo.com/guangzhou/202006/19/139995_53397557.htm (The Chinese and English station names of the initial section of Huangpu Tram Line 1 have been released), "The use of subway is to distinguish it from the metro, and the translation was approved by the Guangzhou Foreign Affairs Office. (采用subway是为了与地铁有所错位，该译名是得到广州市外事办审定的。)". It's weird, but it's true.

Hello, ok so what's the correct name for 长平站^(Q56308080) ?

Just Changping or Changping station.

Shouldn't Shuixi Station (Q105103847) and Shuixi Subway Station (Q105103804) be merged ?

Shuixi Station (Q105103847), Shuixi Subway Station (Q105103804) and Shuixi Station (Q11130584) are three different stations. (That's really weird. = =

• Shuixi Station (Q105103847) is a tram station near Shuixi Village;
• Shuixi Subway Station (Q105103804) is a tram station near Shuixi Station (Q11130584) of Guangzhou Metro (like Changping and Changping Subway Station).

Would be nice if you could look at query and tell if it's correct ?

Okay, I’ll check it later.

I haven’t heard Wikidata Query before. It’s really cool! Does these data automatically generated from Wikidata?

Yes, wikidata is a database so it can be queried like any database with queries-questions and answers in list, map, etc ==> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:SPARQL_query_service/Wikidata_Query_Help/zh

Hi Bouzinac,

1. The route of Guangfo Metro (Q3272527) is incomplete. The line is from Xincheng Dong station (Q11081947) to Lijiao station (Q5971471) (ref: File:GFMetroInScale.png), but it only shows a section from Shijilian station (Q28122640) to Shixi station (Q7499447).
2. Since it uses a map as the background, I think connecting stations with straight line is not good. Can Wikidata read the route data of each lines from OSM?

Oh, there's Foshan subway... Are Canton and Foshan subways interconnected? Can a traveler travel between them with same ticket ?

Yes, their systems are interconnected. Currently passengers can transfer between these two systems at Kuiqi Lu station (Q5950589).

OK, just added it to Q112744228 and to the query

What is wrong with using the direction of travelling on a circle line e.g. as 6 & 12. Pointing any station as End of Line is random on a circular and therfore wrong anyhow. Because this occurs on other metrosystems as well and you apperently reject clockwise/anticlockwise, tell me your solution Please. Innerloop and outerloop aren't a solution because this will depent on lefthand or righthand running operations, so the reader still doesn't know what the direction is.

Une carte des lignes de métro automatiques, basée sur ton code.

Je crois que j'ai listé à peu près toutes les lignes de ce type (lesquelles sont désormais nombreuses à être inaugurées chaque année). Cependant, elles ne peuvent pas toutes s'afficher complètement, à l'instar de Line 22 (Q32177258), car de fait il manque encore plusieurs éléments dédiés à leurs stations.

En outre, vois comment la région parisienne s'affiche. Je crois qu'il faudrait explicitement demander à la requête de ne rien afficher depuis une station existante quand la station suivante n'est pas en fonctionnement. Je te laisse voir, si tu as un temps.

Hello, je pense que tu devrais enlever les MINUS (c'était comme ça que je faisais y a qq temps avant de laisser tomber car trop de pb) et remplacer ceux-ci par : ?st wdt:P5817 wd:Q55654238. ?pred wdt:P5817 wd:Q55654238. ?lignes wdt:P5817 wd:Q55654238.

ce qui veut dire que tu veux un état en fonctionnement à la fois sur la station proprement dite, sur sa voisine et sur les lignes automatisées

Pour la ligne 22 de Canton, ça semble normal d'après la zhwiki https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B9%BF%E5%B7%9E%E5%9C%B0%E9%93%8122%E5%8F%B7%E7%BA%BF

OK. Du coup ça donne ceci, avec peut-être du code superflu à l'intérieur.

Pour ce qui est du métro de Canton, ce n'était qu'un exemple. C'était pour dire qu'il y a des lignes automatiques (désormais listées comme telles par Wikidata) qui n'apparaissent pas encore sur la carte - en Chine ou au Japon notamment - parce que le travail de documentation complète des éléments consacrés à leurs stations n'est manifestement pas terminé, ou pour une quelconque autre raison sur laquelle je ne me suis pas encore penché. En gros : il y a des manques connus dans ce qui est affiché sur la carte pour le moment.

ça ne me saute pas aux yeux : tu aurais une ligne précise par exemple?

Yurikamome (Q1191079), Nippori-Toneri Liner (Q910032) et Docklands Light Railway (Q216360) ne s'affichent pas pour l'instant, pour une raison quelconque sur laquelle je ne me suis pas encore penché.

Autrement j'ai fini pour les tramways et métros le gros de la migration des réseaux de transport auxquels ils appartiennent de part of (P361) vers transport network (P16). Si un élément utilise encore la première propriété c'est qu'il est de toutes les façons dans un état assez moyen pour d'autres raisons.

Salut, si tu pouvais remettre les P16 par exemple dessus Longhu Zhonghuan Bei Station (Q104617878) ? Une requête https://w.wiki/5Ukm qui liste les absences de P16 et présence de P361

Re @Thierry Caro, qu'en penses-tu de Q15964128#P16 : une gare peut-elle faire partie de deux réseaux différents de transports, un service peut-il être marketé par deux réseaux différents ? cf https://www.tpf.ch/Portals/0/Images/Fichiers//Horaires%20et%20plans//Plans%20du%20r%C3%A9seau/PLAN_RER_2022.pdf versus https://www.s-bahn-bern.ch/fileadmin/layout/lay_50_s-bahn-bern_ohne-bus_DINA3_2022_1a_GzA.pdf ?

Salut. Réponse tardive, car je ne suis vraiment pas spécialiste de ces choses-là, en vérité. Pour ce qui concerne Wikidata seulement, et donc non pas le ferroviaire qu'il y a derrière, la cohabitation des déclarations ne me dérange pas du tout.

Je découvre via Twitter qu'il existait un réseau de tramway très dense à Paris : https://twitter.com/aspcrf/status/1550157745776730119?t=ueLiXTzkPRGdKodZ_WM7dA&s=19 opéré par la Société des transports en commun de la région parisienne (Q3488206). Je me suis dit que ça pourrait t'intéresser. Un jour peut être ce réseau historique sera dans Wikidata :)

Hi, I saw you re-split the items Pallini station (Q12884460) and Pallini (Q111971107), which refer to the same station, regardless the one being for Proastiakos usage and the other for Metro usage. In the summary note you wrote "not a good idea to merge", although this doesn't imply anything. I guess you want to keep them separate so to use the property interchange station (P833), as they are different networks regardless that they use the same exact platforms?

They are indeed having different transport network (P16). Other reason : fares/prices are different if you take a train to Aigio, than to inside Athens. Apparently, you are greek : it would be kind if you could check that map (sources for proastiakos services are rare and trainose timetable do not match proastiakos lines) Map of Athens Metro (query)

Yea, besides Trainose website (recently renamed to Hellenic Train) which doesn't fully include some info about the lines, not many sources can be found. Only one source (in Greek only) I can think of which has similar info but much better shown, pretty descriptive about public transport in Athens.
The map you show me looks pretty ok for the Proastiakos lines, although I'm not sure yet about the line towards Aigio, because it's kinda recent line and has a pretty weird timetable and doesn't stop at every in-between stations. Due to still ongoing works on the tracks after Aigio (towards Patras), the tracks after Kiato (towards Aigio) aren't electrified yet, which is why this line has Kiato as an interchange station.
I will look again for the stations of every Proastiakos line and make sure it's up-to-date in Wikidata, because for the line Pireaus-Kiato it didn't have all the stations or had wrong stations, which I fixed most of them few months ago.

On first sight I would agree to Jimkats. The same issue applies e.g. to the Watford DC Line in London whose stations are doubled in frwiki as well as in wikidata which affects the proper working of wikidata in other wikis. An article regarding an (underground) station refers to real estate, in case of the Watford DC line the frwiki even states : dont les trains de banlieue utilisent les mêmes voies et quais. Doing this is the same as multiplying an airport by the number of airlines serving the airport. As the airlines are competitors they use different fares/prices but this doesn't mean that there are multiple CDG-airports. The same applies to stations served by different services/operators, it doesn't mean that the real estate exists twice or more. So please promote merging articles which in fact discribe the same real estate. Exception are the stations that are named differently per line by its operator, as is common practice in former Soviet republics. Wikidata is a good idea but these issues hamper the whole working of it and will regrettably result in local "solutions". An other issue in this respect is the handling of circular lines as I already addressed under Station Principe Pio about 3 weeks ago. Kind regards, JB63

JB3, you look to mix different problems.

Airports : Sometimes, you have to split airports, think about military and civil airport at the same place. But, no one is splitting airports in wikidata... Perhaps there are wikis who separate terminal X and terminal Y, whatever.

Watford DC : do not confuse between physical line and commercial service. There are wikis who do separate. Apparently Bakerloo line is also sharing tracks with Watford DC line...

Principe pio : there are main lines, surburban lines and subway lines ==> some wikis do the distinction. And you did input a nonsensical statements here https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2527066&oldid=1673322722 : towards (P5051)=anticlockwise direction (Q6692036)

Please bear in mind that wikidata is about the singlest notable item, and that wikidata is not the end for many wikis (that is : editors in local wikipedias tend to reject wikidata and write plain text instead of wikidata data), and that a reality for one language might not bear the same reality for another language. Eg enwiki can be splitting a topic into different subarticles but another wiki might be simpler and mix topic into only one article.

Even nlwiki can be showing a parallel universum^(Q2051667) ==> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Station_Ach%C3%A8res_-_Grand_Cormier lol

Your answer regarding Watford DC is exactly to the point is this case. It is the same real estate (physical line/station) that shouldn't be split because there are different commercial services using the station. The splitting is the result of confusing the physical line and the commercial service. These stations do exist only once regardless of the number of services. The example of Airports was to illustrate that indeed no one is doing this by Airports, so why should we do it by stations. Principe Pio is not about distinguishing between Main/suburban/subway but the issue that a circular doesn't have endpoints by definition. Therefor it makes sense to use the fields for the endpoints for the clockwise or anticlockwise direction. However I adapted this in nlwiki so it shows the right info in these cases based on circumstantial data in wikidata. Showing a station as endpoint on a circular line is wrong worldwide anyhow. The station on nlwiki you are reffering to is an example of two commercial services using the same real-estate (physical line/station).This station is how it should be, there is indeed no reason for doubling this. However using wikidata provides some concensus should be there otherwise wikidata can't be used properly. It is possible to put the Bakerloo and Watford DC service on the same datasheet (qualifier) of the one existing station and mention the adjacent station for both services on the panel. Otherwise other wikis are forced double these stations in order to use wikidata. By the way the nlwiki distinguishes between the different modes of railtransport, but this is also subject to concensus when aplied to wikidata.

Even perfectly circular lines have limits/endpoints....

Check the timetables https://www.metromadrid.es/sites/default/files/documentos/horario-trenes/06_L.6_Sent_And%C3%A9n1_22.C_curvas.pdf or the scheme https://www.metromadrid.es/es/linea/linea-6-circular#line-main : all have a beginning in Laguna.

In other perfeclty circular lines, starting point may sometimes be a metro depot (Q4530848).

And a good lecture for you there https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Railways#Bonnie_and_Clyde_on_the_London_Underground

Hi, Bouzinac.

Is it possible to add "Istanbul nostalgic tram (Q6088696)" to the "Istanbul tram (Q6088693)" map?

There is also problems with "Marmaray (Q497844)", "Metrobus (Istanbul) (Q603319)", "Istanbul Funicular (Q109790942)", and "Istanbul Aerial Tramway (Q109794511)" maps. Could you fix it? --

Hi, is the İstanbul nostaljik tramvayı^(Q6088696) working or has disappeared ?

I guess it's not working. The T2 and T3 lines of the İstanbul nostalgic tram are not visible on the map.

I was meaning : do train currently run now, or has it disappeared in the reality ?

Both lines of the nostalgic tram system are working. It just doesn't appear on the map you prepared. I don't know what caused the problem.

My mother tongue is not English. I hope I understood what you said correctly.

Couldn't you use "google translate" ? That map should be ok : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q6088693

The general map template needs a transport network (P16) and a state of use (P5817) = kullanımda^(Q55654238) to function well : could you finish on this one Map of Marmaray (query) ?

And in the very end, the general map should be working : Map of Istanbul Tram (query)

Thanks for everything. All maps are working fine.

However, it would be more correct for the general map name to be "Map of public transport in Istanbul" rather than "Map of Istanbul Tram".

I already use "Google Translate", but it may not always translate correctly. I'm sorry if there was any misunderstanding.

Map of İstanbul'da tüm toplu taşıma (query)

this way ? ;)

The word "tüm" is not needed. Other than that everything is correct. Thank you so much.

You seem to split railway stations and metro stations in the world. But in Japan, the role of railway and metro are the same. Some railways even can through to metro lines. Other than that, they are in the same building. There are transfer gates to connect with each other. Why they are not the same station?

Hi. I thought the Japanese were known for their politeness. Anyway. See Help:Conflation, bear in mind that Wikidata is about single concepts, not mixed concepts. If you don't agree, start a general discussion at Wikidata talk:WikiProject Railways. The main reason is that it is very difficult to query among carrots and cabbages. For instance Ogikubo Station (Q110641368), as a subway station, wasn't obviously founded in Q801294#P571. And oh, you should be reverting your edit in italian as you are not a itwiki contributor.

I want to say that I am not Japanese.